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Lets Yell Wolf - 2/16/2010 9:05:29 PM   
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In another thread, a person posted 3 articles to prove that the powers that be have predicted another 9/11 type attack or worse.

Curious, I checked them out, and found that they are a bit outdated, and actually, only one is concerned with a terrorist type attack. One deals with the threat of a nuclear strike from North Korea, one is an essay dealing with the fact that Seattle opted out of the FEMA nuclear attack preparedness plan.


From The Belfer Center, for Science and International Affairs
Seattle Vulnerable to Nuclear Terrorism
Op-Ed, Seattle Post-Intelligencer

September 21, 2004
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Seattle was baptized into the era of terrorism in December 1999 when a customs agent became suspicious of a driver disembarking from a ferry at Port Angeles. Her gut reaction proved correct: Ahmed Ressam was smuggling more than 100 pounds of explosives for al-Qaida's millennium plot to bomb Los Angeles International Airport.

Seattle moved into the center of the cross hairs when the mastermind of the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, put the Northwest's tallest building on his top 10 target list. Later, U.S. forces found photos of the Space Needle in an al-Qaida hideout in Afghanistan.

Osama bin Laden has challenged the greater al-Qaida movement to trump 9/11. The list of terrorist actions reaching that bar is short. A clue to the preferred method comes from bin Laden: He declared obtaining nuclear weapons "a religious duty."

Full article

From Press TV, Seattle warned of 'imminent' nuke attack
Sat, 06 Jun 2009

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A US congressman has raised doubts over the country's capability to intercept long-range trans-Pacific strategic missiles once fired from 'rogue regimes'.

Missouri Congressman Todd Akin has warned about a looming nuclear threat on the US's West coast as adversarial regimes such as North Korea expand their nuclear and rocket launching capacities.

The 62-year-old Republican Congress member recently wrote his personal assessment of current nuclear issues threatening US security in which he demands a fortified scheme to tackle potential problems.


Full Article

And finally, Seattle backs out of planning for nuclear war in July 1982.

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In July 1982, Mayor Charles Royer withdraws Seattle from planning for nuclear war. Royer calls Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) plans to evacuate the population of Seattle to east of the Cascades in the event of a nuclear attack "virtually useless" and states that Seattle should not "lend credence to the dangerous idea that a nuclear war is a manageable emergency" (The Seattle Times). Royer's action follows a similar policy statement by King County Executive Randy Ravelle.

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Now the common thread in all these articles deals with a nuclear device or attack, and granted since the fall of the soviet union, there are probably more weapons unaccounted for then you can probably guess. The fact of the matter is that all these weapons are warheads, designed to be RADAR detonated and would need an engineer with knowledge of nuclear weapons in order to make them portable and command detonated.

Now for those who claim that something called a micro nuke could be used, I would like to point out that the smallest nuclear device ever built was called the Davy Crocket, a recoilless rifle round. The Mk-54 weighed about 51 lb (23 kg), with a selectable yield equivalent to 10 or 20 tons of TNT (very close to the minimum practical size and yield for a fission warhead). The complete round weighed 76 lb (34.5 kg). It was 31 in. (78.7 cm) long with a diameter of 11 in. (28 cm) at its widest point; a subcaliber piston at the back of the shell was actually inserted into the launcher's barrel for firing. This weapon was a fission device and very dirty, dangerous to those who fired it as well as the target.

The smallest nuclear bomb presently in existence is the warhead for the Mk-61 bomb. It is 10 feet 10 and 3/4 inches long and weighs 716 pounds. It is called a dial-yield warhead with the explosive yield able to be set at .3/ 1.5/ 60/ 170 Kilotons, depending on the weapon settings.

While it is theoretically possible to make a thermonuclear warhead smaller, the problem is the size of the trigger which is a fission warhead, or specially designed shaped charges of common high explosives to initiate compression, which in and of themselves would be large. A nuclear trigger could be used, but they are fission bombs and produce a lot of dirty fallout. (In other words, if a micro nuke, a.e nuclear trigger, was used at the WTC, Lower Manhatten would be a very HOT place to be)

Now, in the process of googling terrorist attack predictions I found a few blogs, psychic predictions, a warning by Pat Robertson for 07. Currently, there are no official predictions, warnings, or threat assessments for the United States, which does not rule out the lone fanatic suicide bomber.

I am not denying the fact that there could be some intel somewhere that is pointing to another big strike, just saying that whoever is making such predictions are in good company for being wrong.


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RE: Lets Yell Wolf - 2/16/2010 9:08:09 PM   
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Great! Just what we need, another conspiracy theory thread.

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RE: Lets Yell Wolf - 2/16/2010 9:27:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: VeryMercurial

Great! Just what we need, another conspiracy theory thread.


Actually, I was thinking about a "You predicted a terrorist attack based on old news" thread

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RE: Lets Yell Wolf - 2/16/2010 9:28:51 PM   
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Well, that will give it a different twist.

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RE: Lets Yell Wolf - 2/16/2010 9:33:23 PM   
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I'll handle this. Here is the deal, either a bunch of people outwitted and outsmarted the most expensive defense money can buy, or they had collusion within. Take your pick because it is one or the other, and there is no grey area. If collusion is suspected it could be unprovable, merely because those who were charged with the task to make it work did not. It really does not matter. If you have a tranny put in your car and it breaks, what do you care if it is the sprags in the forward clutch, the main pump or regulator or porosity in the case or valve body ? The fact is it didn't work and you paid for the entire tranny. Either it works or it doesn't, and it didn't.

Opining from that standpoint can differ from the norm, but it is valid as any other.

The fact of the matter though is that you can never stop them without stopping the desire, which in their case is a grudge. I really do believe that given some time and a few friendly gestures the would not be so driven to attack us. But we keep on renewing the grudge. You think the Iraqis are happy since we liberated them ? You think the Saudi commoner is happy with the government we installed ? Welcome to Meezar 5, commonly referred to on your planet as cloud 9.

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RE: Lets Yell Wolf - 2/17/2010 7:57:56 AM   
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You folks are talking about a nuclear attack.  All you need for a 'dirty bomb' is an old x-ray machine and a stick of dynamite.

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RE: Lets Yell Wolf - 2/17/2010 8:01:44 AM   
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I am going to stick my dick down some girls throat; alot.

Not a threat, a promise.

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RE: Lets Yell Wolf - 2/17/2010 4:26:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

You folks are talking about a nuclear attack.  All you need for a 'dirty bomb' is an old x-ray machine and a stick of dynamite.


I would actually forgo a nuclear type device of anykind. Too much trouble.

However, a tanker truck of LPG with the tank rigged to vent a few seconds before an explosive blast would make a pretty good concussion bomb. Your basic FAE.

And when you consider how many sea ports in the US has LPG terminals for tanker traffic, a determined couple of people could turn a ship into a floating bomb. Look up the Texas City fire.

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RE: Lets Yell Wolf - 2/17/2010 5:18:16 PM   
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Life is not a Tom Clancy novel.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I'll handle this. Here is the deal, either a bunch of people outwitted and outsmarted the most expensive defense money can buy, or they had collusion within. Take your pick because it is one or the other, and there is no grey area. If collusion is suspected it could be unprovable, merely because those who were charged with the task to make it work did not. It really does not matter. If you have a tranny put in your car and it breaks, what do you care if it is the sprags in the forward clutch, the main pump or regulator or porosity in the case or valve body ? The fact is it didn't work and you paid for the entire tranny. Either it works or it doesn't, and it didn't.

Opining from that standpoint can differ from the norm, but it is valid as any other.

The fact of the matter though is that you can never stop them without stopping the desire, which in their case is a grudge. I really do believe that given some time and a few friendly gestures the would not be so driven to attack us. But we keep on renewing the grudge. You think the Iraqis are happy since we liberated them ? You think the Saudi commoner is happy with the government we installed ? Welcome to Meezar 5, commonly referred to on your planet as cloud 9.

T

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RE: Lets Yell Wolf - 2/17/2010 5:20:17 PM   
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Lets not!
By the by Thorn....Clancy books are cool.

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RE: Lets Yell Wolf - 2/17/2010 5:43:11 PM   
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I never heard of him.

who gets to pay the trillions $ for war?


let me- guess- it did not come out of my retirement.

well thats a relief.

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RE: Lets Yell Wolf - 2/17/2010 6:20:30 PM   
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The prospect of a suitcase nuke has been around even back as far as the Soviet Union and the Cold War.

I am sure that AQ, Hamas, The People United Against Stale Pizza Front would love to get their hands on oen, and make a spectacular attack on New York.

Except that they know they don't have to go to such measures. 9-11 was carried out with boxcutters that every 16 year old supermarket clerk carries.
In Israel Hamas carries out attacks with nothing more than plastic explosive and nails.
In Iraq they use IEDs of old radios and pipes.
Paul Rudolph terrified the entire Atlanta Olympics with a minor explosive.
In 1987 terrorists using nothing more than automatic rifles in Rome Airport caused chaos and terror all over Europe.


In other words, a spectacular attack doesn't need WMDs; the motto of terrorism has always been " a few dead, a lot watching". So the goal is to make it newsworthy and spectacular, not extremely deadly.

One stray gunshot inside the Academy Awards would do more than a 100 people killed in say, Mexico City or Peking.

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RE: Lets Yell Wolf - 2/17/2010 6:58:33 PM   
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I wonder what ever happened to the Peace dividend.

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RE: Lets Yell Wolf - 2/17/2010 6:59:01 PM   
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Some valid points you made Rex.

The problem is that everyone, both civilian and government seem to be looking to prevent the "BIG" attack, the underwear bomber proves that the solo fanatic is still able to get through and act.



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RE: Lets Yell Wolf - 2/17/2010 7:00:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

I wonder what ever happened to the Peace dividend.


Those trillions were bundled up, piled onto wooden pallets, shrink wrapped, and sent over to Iraq under care of Halliburton.

Never

to

be

seen

again!

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RE: Lets Yell Wolf - 2/17/2010 7:02:45 PM   
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Considering that an envelope with white powder did in fact bring the entire United States government to a standstill for 3 days, we should be lucky the Undie Bomber didn't have itchy balls that needed an application of talcum.

Planes would still be grounded.

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RE: Lets Yell Wolf - 2/17/2010 7:08:09 PM   
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...the underwear bomber proves that the solo fanatic is still able to get through and act.


There have been rumors that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was actually deliberately passed by airport security because they were told to do so by U. S. intelligence officials - although I haven't seen this actually confirmed. It does seem as though certain "known terrorists" are allowed entry to the United States because they are being trailed by intelligence operatives so as to expose their contacts and operatives already in the United States.

As the theory goes, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was someone that was being trailed, and they were unaware that he had a bomb on him - making the failure not that they were unaware of his Yemeni Al Qaeda connections but that they were unaware that he intended to blow up the plane.

I have no idea if this is true or not, but it does go a fair way to explain some of the seemingly bizarre events that occurred both before and after he set himself on fire.

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RE: Lets Yell Wolf - 2/17/2010 7:18:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: InvisibleBlack
There have been rumors that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was actually deliberately passed by airport security because they were told to do so by U. S. intelligence officials - although I haven't seen this actually confirmed.


I just wonder, like with urban legends, how these rumors begin.

I mean, since no one anywhere will cite a source or contact or sliver of information, what causes anyone to consider this to be true?
There isn't even a blurry photo, a witness to the grassy knoll....

All there is is a suspicion that some Evil Force inside the Gummint (most likely the ZOG at that) must be guilty of something.
we don't kno what, but we are sure that THEY are guilty of something.

Deranged inndividuals don't just exist in the world. No, Big Events demand a Big Explanation.

I mean seriously, IB, where did you hear this "rumor"?

Did you overhear a guy at the bus stop?

Was it whispered by a man smoking cigarettes in the shadows of a parking structure?

Did it come to you in a peyote fueled vision?

Seriously- tell us where you heard this rumor, and what causes you to give it more credence than say, Creationism and the 6,000 year old earth.

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RE: Lets Yell Wolf - 2/17/2010 7:28:40 PM   
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Animus....your post's are a "must read"....lol.

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RE: Lets Yell Wolf - 2/17/2010 7:35:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AnimusRex


quote:

ORIGINAL: InvisibleBlack
There have been rumors that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was actually deliberately passed by airport security because they were told to do so by U. S. intelligence officials - although I haven't seen this actually confirmed.


I just wonder, like with urban legends, how these rumors begin.

I mean, since no one anywhere will cite a source or contact or sliver of information, what causes anyone to consider this to be true?
There isn't even a blurry photo, a witness to the grassy knoll....

All there is is a suspicion that some Evil Force inside the Gummint (most likely the ZOG at that) must be guilty of something.
we don't kno what, but we are sure that THEY are guilty of something.

Deranged inndividuals don't just exist in the world. No, Big Events demand a Big Explanation.

I mean seriously, IB, where did you hear this "rumor"?

Did you overhear a guy at the bus stop?

Was it whispered by a man smoking cigarettes in the shadows of a parking structure?

Did it come to you in a peyote fueled vision?

Seriously- tell us where you heard this rumor, and what causes you to give it more credence than say, Creationism and the 6,000 year old earth.



I started this rumor. I wanted to give the conspiracy theorists something else to chew on for awhile. My apologies.

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