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Rube Goldberg and other devices of inevitability - 2/19/2010 1:45:53 PM   
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In popular culture there are numerous examples of bondage combined with impending doom of one sort or another. Some of the earlier examples in film have scenes involving train tracks, quicksand, sawmills, and waterfalls. Heroes like James Bond, Indiana Jones, and Batman are always finding their way into such predicaments. In the Star Wars films there are examples such as the deathstar trash compactor, Anakin Skywalker's arm trapping him against the conveyor on Geonosis, and Jabba the Hutt's sarlaac pit. The castration conveyor system in the movie Ice Pirates also comes to mind. Many thousands of other examples can be found, especially with so many horror films and shows like CSI. In a typical person's life I suppose a rollercoaster is as close as they'd hope to come to such a situation... being locked into a device that steadily raises them to the summit before the inevitable plunge.

As someone who enjoys designing and occasionally building toys and devices, I'd like to hear your thoughts on such contraptions as they can be incorporated into safe play. While I can dream up reasonably elaborate Rube Goldberg devices that would theoretically function and a wide variety of triggering mechanisms to initiate the process, I'm not sure what exactly it could do at the end that would be worth the effort. Perhaps water flowing from a faucet or bucket could cause something to be dumped on a sub, or CBT weights to be periodically added.

The potential for mindfucks is also delicious. Imagine a long well supported PVC pipe leading to a container attached to a ball parachute. The domme drops a single marble into the funnel at one end of the pipe, it falls in making a click and the sub hears it roll down before finally dropping into the container. This goes on for awhile, then the domme struggles to lift a bucket of large marbles to the funnel and dumps them in. The sub has a few seconds to sweat before realizing nothing is coming out of the pipe. The PVC pipe has a second smaller pipe inside it for the smaller marbles to pass through, but the large ones fall outside this one at the funnel end and take a different path and are blocked, never exiting the other end.

In general I'd classify these devices as ones that, once set into motion, would produce some predictable result unless actively interrupted. Other factors come to mind immediately. One being whether the sub is capable of influencing their fate in any manner. Is there anything they can do or say to escape? Another is whether they are bound and helpless, or expected to remain in place by exercising their willpower. A third is the apparent presence of the domme. While villains are notorious for leaving the hero to face the sharks with laser beams attached to their heads, etc, alone, the domme would likely want to stay back to witness how things went down even if it was safe for them to leave. A final factor is the degree to which the sub is able to track the progress of the device. Can they visually see a container filling with sand or timer, or do they just hear water dripping without knowing how much time is left? As a concept, I find the idea of the domme starting the device then using the time to tease the sub about what is going to happen to them to be incredibly hot, but that's just me.

So, has anyone had experiences with such devices or is there a specific example of these devices that has an aspect that appeals to you? Perhaps a book or movie that is especially relevant?
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RE: Rube Goldberg and other devices of inevitability - 2/19/2010 4:23:27 PM   
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For the record, I tend to like my play time to be extremely simple with very few accessories.

That said, though I haven't any experience with such devices, in reading your post I saw how some of the techniques could be very well incorporated with predicament bondage scenarios, in which their actions could trigger the device or inadvertently speed it up. As for the activity being interrupted, maybe there could be a challenge to reach the stopping mechanism.

I guess those are my preliminary thoughts. It's been a long day of strategic meetings ;-)

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RE: Rube Goldberg and other devices of inevitability - 2/20/2010 2:14:48 PM   
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I have a very vivid memory of a shot from a film I saw when I was very small, involving a bound man slowly inching towards a sawmill...

No idea why he was there or what the film was, but it made a strong impression...

I love the idea of time adding weights to something-or maybe distance; so you have weights/clamps attached to the sub (wherever you may want them to go :P) and the only way they can remove them is by travelling toward a release trigger, but the closer they get to it the higher the pressure/the heavier the weights?

Is this the type of thing you mean?


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RE: Rube Goldberg and other devices of inevitability - 2/20/2010 7:20:39 PM   
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Hi.

It's surprising what a person will think up to try next. Sounds so complex. Maybe fun and artistic but what ever happened to a slave that will rub and kiss my feet?

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RE: Rube Goldberg and other devices of inevitability - 2/20/2010 7:33:43 PM   
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Rupe Goldberg refers more to what one might have seen in cartoons. While I cannot think of a specific scene, I can imagine one being used in Tom and Jerry where Tom has Jerry tied somewhere. Then he drops a ball onto a track which rolls down the track and sets something else into motion, which in turn sets something else into motion, which eventually, through a domino effect, is supposed to do something to Jerry. While in this example the end result is to cause pain, more commonly Rupe Goldberg designs take a complex path to achieve a simple task like turning on a switch. The appeal is more in the mental challenge of complex design (it's like solving a puzzle) than in the end result. In the Tom and Jerry example I used, there is also significance for the end result because of the fear and anticipation it creates.

When I was in college, they still had a national Rupe Goldberg contest for engineering and natural science students. There are enough people in BDSM circles who might enjoy such a project and enter a contest at a BDSM convention. I can imagine something like that created for CBT, breath play, or to ignite flash cotton. I think you might have something there.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Rube Goldberg and other devices of inevitability - 2/20/2010 8:12:16 PM   
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LA,

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That said, though I haven't any experience with such devices, in reading your post I saw how some of the techniques could be very well incorporated with predicament bondage scenarios, in which their actions could trigger the device or inadvertently speed it up.  As for the activity being interrupted, maybe there could be a challenge to reach the stopping mechanism.


Predicament bondage?  Who'd be interested in that?  Clearly there are some very strange people on these boards. :-)

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RE: Rube Goldberg and other devices of inevitability - 2/20/2010 8:31:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious
Is this the type of thing you mean?


Since you seemed to be more than just vaguely curious I saw an opportunity to be of service ;-)

Here is a video of a Rupe Goldberg design the objective of which is to score a goal. Per the suggestion in the OP, the objective could be something that creates torment.

Here is another design which is the most elaborate I have ever seen. I must run for my Saturday night plans. I only got 5 minutes into it so I don't know how it ends.

Cheers,

Sea


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RE: Rube Goldberg and other devices of inevitability - 2/20/2010 11:58:35 PM   
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quote:

I love the idea of time adding weights to something-or maybe distance; so you have weights/clamps attached to the sub (wherever you may want them to go :P) and the only way they can remove them is by travelling toward a release trigger, but the closer they get to it the higher the pressure/the heavier the weights?

Is this the type of thing you mean?


Yes, things like this. For example, the distance adding weights with release could be done with an elevated horizontally mounted  freely rotating drum. Into the curved surface of the drum at one point a peg could be mounted. A ring that fits loosely over the peg could be tied to one end of a rope, with the other end attached to the sub. With the ring held over the peg, the rope could be wound around the drum (such that pulling on the rope would cause the drum to rotate and the ring to eventually fall free). Next to this winding on the drum a second peg could be mounted. Attached to this peg would be a rope leading to the ground under the drum. At the end of this second rope weights could be attached... perhaps a length of chain. As the sub backs away from the drum in order to unwind the first rope, the second rope will begin to wind around the drum in the opposite sense, bringing a steadily increasing weight of chain with it. Once the sub backs away far enough, they will be free and the second rope will unwind, sending the raised chain crashing to the floor. Not your idea exactly since there is no trigger to get to, other than the necessary distance.

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RE: Rube Goldberg and other devices of inevitability - 2/21/2010 4:01:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: undergroundsea

quote:

ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious
Is this the type of thing you mean?


Since you seemed to be more than just vaguely curious I saw an opportunity to be of service ;-)

Here is a video of a Rupe Goldberg design the objective of which is to score a goal. Per the suggestion in the OP, the objective could be something that creates torment.

Here is another design which is the most elaborate I have ever seen. I must run for my Saturday night plans. I only got 5 minutes into it so I don't know how it ends.

Cheers,

Sea



I'm sorry, Sea, I've just realised that I forgot to thank you for the links.

The long one blew my mind; the effort of going to find them for me is much appreciated-thank you. :D

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RE: Rube Goldberg and other devices of inevitability - 2/21/2010 4:03:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: velt

quote:

I love the idea of time adding weights to something-or maybe distance; so you have weights/clamps attached to the sub (wherever you may want them to go :P) and the only way they can remove them is by travelling toward a release trigger, but the closer they get to it the higher the pressure/the heavier the weights?

Is this the type of thing you mean?


Yes, things like this. For example, the distance adding weights with release could be done with an elevated horizontally mounted  freely rotating drum. Into the curved surface of the drum at one point a peg could be mounted. A ring that fits loosely over the peg could be tied to one end of a rope, with the other end attached to the sub. With the ring held over the peg, the rope could be wound around the drum (such that pulling on the rope would cause the drum to rotate and the ring to eventually fall free). Next to this winding on the drum a second peg could be mounted. Attached to this peg would be a rope leading to the ground under the drum. At the end of this second rope weights could be attached... perhaps a length of chain. As the sub backs away from the drum in order to unwind the first rope, the second rope will begin to wind around the drum in the opposite sense, bringing a steadily increasing weight of chain with it. Once the sub backs away far enough, they will be free and the second rope will unwind, sending the raised chain crashing to the floor. Not your idea exactly since there is no trigger to get to, other than the necessary distance.



I had to sketch it to follow the mechanism, but I think I've got it-that does sound cool :-D

And a set distance is as good a trigger as any!


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