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RE: Do little girls need to be hurt regularly? - 2/22/2010 3:50:29 AM   
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RE: Do little girls need to be hurt regularly? - 2/22/2010 4:00:18 AM   
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RE: Do little girls need to be hurt regularly? - 2/22/2010 4:20:30 AM   
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RE: Do little girls need to be hurt regularly? - 2/22/2010 12:52:42 PM   
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RE: Do little girls need to be hurt regularly? - 2/22/2010 1:06:47 PM   
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Asking if little girls need to be hurt, is like asking do i need to climb to the top of mount everest?


I guess she needs to climb Everest.

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RE: Do little girls need to be hurt regularly? - 2/22/2010 1:21:37 PM   
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Here is how I understood the little girl who originally made the comment:
girls are different. They need constant punishment, regardless if they deserved it, to keep them sweet and innocent. Without it they become dispicable creatures.

I know it sounds extremely sexist. And that is a big reason why I'm having trouble wrapping MY head around it. On the other hand, she was always a little girl from the time she left home until I met her (50 sumthin). Does she have a point? are girls wired differently and need the moral guidance of a Man to help them to become more human? And if so, maybe the converse is true as well, a Man needs a little girl to stimulate Him to discover his own humanity so He can then teach her and himself at the same time?

There are always exceptions, of course. Some people might be islands and complete in their own right.

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RE: Do little girls need to be hurt regularly? - 2/22/2010 1:29:13 PM   
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....are girls wired differently and need the moral guidance of a Man to help them to become more human? And if so, maybe the converse is true as well, a Man needs a little girl to stimulate Him to discover his own humanity so He can then teach her and himself at the same time?


I tend to think of it in these terms, being in a relationship stimulates both parties to discover their own humanity and to learn and grow from it. It's the same concept just without the sexism involved.

People in a relationship tend to keep each other in check, and the limits and milage will vary. It's a two way street.

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RE: Do little girls need to be hurt regularly? - 2/22/2010 2:26:58 PM   
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I tend to think of it in these terms, being in a relationship stimulates both parties to discover their own humanity and to learn and grow from it. It's the same concept just without the sexism involved.

People in a relationship tend to keep each other in check, and the limits and milage will vary. It's a two way street.


Yea, that takes the sexism out of it. IT pretty much takes everything out of it.

Let Me illustrate:
I have had 7 slaves. With the first 6, I tried to improve their characters through intellectual and emotional means. All 6 were failures. The 7th I started out the same way and it started failing. It wasn't until I turned to consistent and at times cruel punishment that I started to get through to nikkki (#7). I continued the intellectul and emotional stratgy as well but added lots of hurt into the equation.

It's kinda strange that I have hurt the girl more than everyone else in her life put together a hundred fold. Yet she has learned to be happy, sweet and adores her Daddy. It makes Me wonder if a girl needs to be hurt to help her learn i.e. a girls soul is wired into her butt.

Perhaps the best way to take the sexism out of it is that a Mistress were to confirm that was her experience wth male subs.

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RE: Do little girls need to be hurt regularly? - 2/22/2010 2:49:02 PM   
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Perhaps the best way to take the sexism out of it is that a Mistress were to confirm that was her experience wth male subs.

Well, I'm always happy to oblige. 

Having read through various parts of the thread, it seems to Me that what you might be talking about here might be related to the concept of maintenance spanking.  Too often, the idea behind this is associated with those who identify as masochists, but that isn't always entirely the case.  It can be useful even for those who aren't especially fond of pain, but crave the stimulus as a particular bonding act or can be seen as part of devotion within the dynamic.  For some s-types, it really does keep them more grounded and connected.

In My personal opinion, I wouldn't go so far as to say that this is more likely to be effective or necessary in one type of dynamic over the other.  (You specifically mentioned the Daddy/lilgirl type in your original.)  I would tend to believe it has more to do with the specific person that you are dealing with.  This runs pretty much according to how they function.  Very much like the area of those who do need to play (and this really can be top or bottom..... it doesn't matter) at least on a semi regular basis.  Some people can become very depressed or withdrawn when this is lacking.  I have some personal theories on this as it relates to endorphin flow, but those are more from what I have experienced and witnessed personally than what I could bring as scientific fact.


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RE: Do little girls need to be hurt regularly? - 2/22/2010 9:56:07 PM   
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I tend to think of it in these terms, being in a relationship stimulates both parties to discover their own humanity and to learn and grow from it. It's the same concept just without the sexism involved.

People in a relationship tend to keep each other in check, and the limits and milage will vary. It's a two way street.


Yea, that takes the sexism out of it. IT pretty much takes everything out of it.

Let Me illustrate:
I have had 7 slaves. With the first 6, I tried to improve their characters through intellectual and emotional means. All 6 were failures. The 7th I started out the same way and it started failing. It wasn't until I turned to consistent and at times cruel punishment that I started to get through to nikkki (#7). I continued the intellectul and emotional stratgy as well but added lots of hurt into the equation.

It's kinda strange that I have hurt the girl more than everyone else in her life put together a hundred fold. Yet she has learned to be happy, sweet and adores her Daddy. It makes Me wonder if a girl needs to be hurt to help her learn i.e. a girls soul is wired into her butt.

Perhaps the best way to take the sexism out of it is that a Mistress were to confirm that was her experience wth male subs.


The physical aspects of punishment or maintence punishment or yeah physically this kind of stuff, it's part of the bond. LadyPact touched upon the bonding. As much as I hate to say, it's threads like this that challenge me. All my personal experiences and relationships I've had so far support or go along with what your saying here. So yeah, based upon my own experiences, I'd have to agree with you (based upon my own experiences thus far).

I think so many people see a post like this, and back off from making an accessment based on their own experiences and then make a post from the One Blanket does not fit all Politically correct camp.

In many regards I'm starting to question how much of my own responses to things on the message board, has become driven by the Politically Correct Answer Camp.

I don't see much in the way of "No, I don't need no spankings from Daddy" posts to this thread either. At least when people share something regarding their own personal experiences and perferences.

I think the type of responses you don't get from people carry's weight, along with the kind of responses you do get from people.

I suppose, I could have said, that you can't formulate a general universal truth to anything because there will always be exceptions to it.

The reality might be as such; let's say for the Hell of it.. it tends to apply to 80% of the time, instead of going for it being 100%. Mind you, I'm just pulling these percentages out my ass for the sake of making a point. That concepts like this may apply far more times than not.

If I were to ask, "how many girls eat swiss cheese sandwiches while Daddy spanks there ass".. I would make my best guess to be rather low.. say in the 1% or under range.

Considering what all the letters of BDSM represent. Ummmm.. perhaps 80% ain't too far off. I might take a wild guess at something like 10-20% might be into extreme pain. Hell if I know.. I'm just tossing out the concept of figuring out a general range. Of just how common or rare something is in the scope of things.

You don't have to shoot for a 100% blanket statement. I'm actually starting to think that people who can only respond to a thread such as this and say, You Can't come up with a Blanket that covers everything without adding their own personal experiences.. well, I would not take too much stock in it. Cause Blankets don't have to cover every part of the body or everybody. Depends upon the blanket size and number of people you trying to cover with it.

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RE: Do little girls need to be hurt regularly? - 2/22/2010 10:26:19 PM   
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Some people tend to think they can just slide downslope with no suffering. Punishment in a practical sense is one methodology D/s uses to bring this happy little togoggan ride to an abrupt and painful halt. When you break the deal,and find yourself bent over-and an explosion of truly unpleasant sensations blasting through your ass.

The worst parts being..

1. You agreed to it in good faith.

2. You could have avoided it-but you chose to fuck up and earn this moment of misery-you have only yourself to blame.

3. Someone you would like to be admired by is treating you like an idiot with a two year old self-restraint ability at this same moment in time. Which you have also earned.

4. Memorable. That's the trick-it sticks.

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RE: Do little girls need to be hurt regularly? - 2/22/2010 10:51:32 PM   
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RE: Do little girls need to be hurt regularly? - 2/22/2010 11:47:09 PM   
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And the OP was not meant to mean only "females that identify as little girls". any girl. like for instance jujubee. (evil grin)



I wouldn't object to the question "do some little girls need to be hurt on a regular basis," or "do subs need to be hurt on a regular basis." However, the question (over the clarification process) seems to be "do women, in general, need to be hurt on a regular basis to keep them sweet, and do they need the moral guidance of a man to help them become more human?"

It's just sexism, and being politically correct has nothing to do with it. I'm not gonna lie - the evil grin was cute - but really... all girls, Lorenzo? If I said "do all men need to be hurt, to keep them sweet and innocent?" what would you say? What if I said "maybe all men just need the moral guidance of a girl to make them more human"? A truer statement than the opposite, in my opinion, but still misguided and inappropriate because it's a commentary on a large group of people, and not even keeping within the kink boundaries. You're not asking about general BDSM, you're asking about general gender.

I think some of the others are avoiding the question you asked in favor of the question you should have asked: "do all subs need to be hurt regularly?" Sure, you could assert that a lot of subs respond well to regular doses of pain and punishment. But don't make it about male versus female. I mean, why bother? It's no skin off your should-be-spanked-for-this-question-ass to make it "sub" instead of "little girl."

And ps, I do NOT respond well to regular doses of pain and definitely do not become sweeter. Trust me

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RE: Do little girls need to be hurt regularly? - 2/23/2010 12:01:37 AM   
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And the OP was not meant to mean only "females that identify as little girls". any girl. like for instance jujubee. (evil grin)



I wouldn't object to the question "do some little girls need to be hurt on a regular basis," or "do subs need to be hurt on a regular basis." However, the question (over the clarification process) seems to be "do women, in general, need to be hurt on a regular basis to keep them sweet, and do they need the moral guidance of a man to help them become more human?"

It's just sexism, and being politically correct has nothing to do with it. I'm not gonna lie - the evil grin was cute - but really... all girls, Lorenzo? If I said "do all men need to be hurt, to keep them sweet and innocent?" what would you say? What if I said "maybe all men just need the moral guidance of a girl to make them more human"? A truer statement than the opposite, in my opinion, but still misguided and inappropriate because it's a commentary on a large group of people, and not even keeping within the kink boundaries. You're not asking about general BDSM, you're asking about general gender.

I think some of the others are avoiding the question you asked in favor of the question you should have asked: "do all subs need to be hurt regularly?" Sure, you could assert that a lot of subs respond well to regular doses of pain and punishment. But don't make it about male versus female. I mean, why bother? It's no skin off your should-be-spanked-for-this-question-ass to make it "sub" instead of "little girl."

And ps, I do NOT respond well to regular doses of pain and definitely do not become sweeter. Trust me


LOL, I'm certain there's a lot of subbie boys that need this from their Dommes too.
Excellent point.

I'm a little bit in a debate with myself cause I'm still pondering thoughts I posted inPost #39 and how it aligns with things. Hell, even I myself enjoy certain levels and sensations of pain, and yeah there's a bond from it. It's physical touch and interaction with another human being.

I still have some old fond memories of having somebody pluck arms hair out while I was holding them on the couch, then exchanging nipple pinches all while watching TV together. I rather much enjoyed this and it's memories like these that carry with me as good ones. Not like, OMFG, I let a girl pluck hairs out my arm and enjoyed the painful preening yet loving exchange between us. I was pinching her nipples back every time she did.. Hell, all while what? Watching TV together... How the hell does this fit into the typical D/s stereotyping?

I digress now, and need to post this.

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RE: Do little girls need to be hurt regularly? - 2/23/2010 12:36:41 AM   
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All this mental Ninja BDSM text book school of thinking is driving me fucking nutz, so it's time for the straight Dope. This thread was about Little Girls not Little Boys anyways. Frack the Distractions and Blankets.

Most of the women I been with have loved the Painful Ass slapping bent over the fucking table, chair, bed, bathtub treatment. Ass being slapped, their hair grabbed hold of.. and being biten down on in various places like the neck. Pussy Spanked, inside of thighs slapped to make them spread open a little more. Stuff that is Painful in various degrees.. cause pain is pain. Pain is pain, even when associated with sex.

Pfffffttt on jujuBee, wonder what kind of pool of mush she can truely become. Even more so after a few prolong orgasms, where her mind is gonna jump outta the skull, body trembling literally, can't catch the breath.. Pffftt.. Poor girl just ain't been ever properly roughed up I guess.

I am truely digressed in vulgar bluntness.. Yummy... spank that pussy, spank that ass..
Pain is pain afterall. I personally tend to couple it with sex (being the proper kinky bastard I am) and I'll slide it into playing/joking around too (being the natural smart ass I am)

Okay, I'm all done with this thread hijacking anymore of my brain cells.

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RE: Do little girls need to be hurt regularly? - 2/23/2010 12:51:47 AM   
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Pfffffttt on jujuBee, wonder what kind of pool of mush she can truely become. Even more so after a few prolong orgasms, where her mind is gonna jump outta the skull, body trembling literally, can't catch the breath.. Pffftt.. Poor girl just ain't been ever properly roughed up I guess.



I said I didn't respond well to regular doses... I didn't say a damn thing about being roughed up on occasion

My body is sensitive as hell. I'm tiny, and easy to hurt, and I don't get wet when I'm tensing in anticipation of pain. So if the end goal is to fuck me, everyone is much better off if the roughing up comes in the form of a total mind fuck and the threat of what could be done. If the end goal is not to fuck me, then I'm sure I could handle whatever a Dom like you wanted to dole out, Whip. Bring it on

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RE: Do little girls need to be hurt regularly? - 2/23/2010 1:27:15 AM   
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and not even keeping within the kink boundaries. You're not asking about general BDSM, you're asking about general gender.


Easy stuff first. Right, I am asking about general gender. But it is in the boundries of BDSM because D stand for discipline. discipline hurts.

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but really... all girls, Lorenzo? If I said "do all men need to be hurt, to keep them sweet and innocent?" what would you say? What if I said "maybe all men just need the moral guidance of a girl to make them more human"? A truer statement than the opposite, in my opinion, but still misguided and inappropriate because it's a commentary on a large group of people,


Good question. perhaps they do. Perhaps anyone M or F in the relationship can take the responsibility for the moral high ground for the others m or f. Perhaps it is like Whiplash stated 80-20. Men are the Moral voice and weild the paddle in 80% of D/s relationshios. (Granted that was his seat of the pants estimate. lacking anything more accurate for the sake of argument.)

I dont know what % of D/s relationships are Male led. I would like to know. Because it seems almost all Dom Males have said theier girls need to be hurt. If the satement "little girls need to be hurt" is true in 80% of relationships. I would say it is generally true. little boys need to be hurt is the exception.

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And ps, I do NOT respond well to regular doses of pain and definitely do not become sweeter. Trust me


Have you tried it or just supposing? no matter. If it hasn't worked or will not work is only because you have not yielded. My girl thought she had a cast iron butt and could be unyielding forever. I proved her wrong by doubling the punishment each time. It quickly got into the thousands. she yielded, learned and became sweet. in that order.

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RE: Do little girls need to be hurt regularly? - 2/23/2010 1:44:12 AM   
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RE: Do little girls need to be hurt regularly? - 2/23/2010 1:56:50 AM   
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Easy stuff first. Right, I am asking about general gender. But it is in the boundries of BDSM because D stand for discipline. discipline hurts.


I have to chime in on this one, many people confuse discipline with punishment. Punishment falls under the umbrella of discipline. There is far more to discipline besides hurt or pain. Differences between postive and negative reinforcement. Not to mention the aspects of self discipline in the way people conduct themselves. All too often people interchange these words around where punishment comes out on top.

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Good question. perhaps they do. Perhaps anyone M or F in the relationship can take the responsibility for the moral high ground for the others m or f. Perhaps it is like Whiplash stated 80-20. Men are the Moral voice and weild the paddle in 80% of D/s relationshios. (Granted that was his seat of the pants estimate. lacking anything more accurate for the sake of argument.)

I dont know what % of D/s relationships are Male led. I would like to know. Because it seems almost all Dom Males have said theier girls need to be hurt. If the satement "little girls need to be hurt" is true in 80% of relationships. I would say it is generally true. little boys need to be hurt is the exception.

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And ps, I do NOT respond well to regular doses of pain and definitely do not become sweeter. Trust me


Have you tried it or just supposing? no matter. If it hasn't worked or will not work is only because you have not yielded. My girl thought she had a cast iron butt and could be unyielding forever. I proved her wrong by doubling the punishment each time. It quickly got into the thousands. she yielded, learned and became sweet. in that order.

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Easy stuff first. Right, I am asking about general gender. But it is in the boundries of BDSM because D stand for discipline. discipline hurts.


I think this is where the differences are occuring here, it's the concept of Discipline being equated with punishment and pain. I think based upon what jujuBee has expressed in a number posts, is that she's good at self discipline and is able to figure things out.

Also, I need to point out another thing that is common with a lot of submissives, they don't deal well with self failure. Often all that needs to be said is that they have disspointed you or whatever. Just be honest without a lot of heavy drama crap. From my past experiences, I've had to catch girls from beating themselves up. Trust me some submissives are extremely hard on themselves and might need intervention to make them stop punishing themselves.

Hope his makes sense. I think the differences coming to light are centered around discipline techniques and what the purpose of the pain is for. In my previous posts it's tightly coupled with sex and flirting/joking around. Sure, threats of perhaps engaging in physical punishment to discipline a girl. This is a sort of a verbal warning, which keeps things in a open communication. Now, mind you, if she continues to push.. hell I have the option of going for carrying out my threat. If it seems better to hault and engage in a more serious conversation then I'll do it. Depends upon the circumstances and emotions and whats going on at the time.

Anyways, again don't think that punishment is the only thing to effective discipline. Some submissives are extremely well disciplined. Dare I say it, some are far more discipline compared to some of us Doms even. lol

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RE: Do little girls need to be hurt regularly? - 2/23/2010 2:10:27 AM   
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Do little girls need to be hurt regularly? If so, why or why not?


Here's what I think you were trying to get at...

"Do you think little girls need to be physically disciplined regularly? If so, why or why not?"

This is a little different from the pain associated with sexual play, or playing around with one another or other forms of non-disciplinary interactions. :-)

Discipline encompasses a hell of a lot more besides punishment and pain.




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