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President Obama has his aides drafting a Health Care Re... - 2/19/2010 8:03:54 PM   
Brain


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Status: offline 		I hope the author of this article is so disgusted with what's happening that he has a heart attack and drops dead. And I hope he doesn't have any health-care. And I hope the Democrats find the a way to pass a health care bill with 51 votes and a public option using reconciliation. If the the no party doesn't like it they can lump it.

I heard today the lesson the White House is taking from the election in Massachusetts is that the people want bipartisanship. I can't believe they are so stupid to believe something so ridiculous. People do not want bipartisanship. Get it through your fat heads morons WE WANT HEALTHCARE REFORM.

Take Harry Reid for example, 56% of people in Nevada want healthcare reform with the public option. And Harry is having trouble getting reelected in Nevada. You would think he would lead on this issue not only because the majority of Americans want a public option but even in his own state of Nevada 56% want a public option. What is the man's problem? How can he be so stupid or is the right word corrupt to not be leading and front and center demanding the public option. I tell you this issue is so frustrating a person could rip their hair out of their head.

The only thing that makes any sense to explain this insanity0 is the bastards are all corrupt.

The real politics of Health Care Reform

President Obama has an open ear to anyone with ideas. He has sought bipartisan options. He has listened to the nation and is working to improve America. These things are all known because President Obama has taken great care, and ample time on television, to tell us this.

But is it true?

At this very moment, President Obama has his aides drafting a Health Care Reform Bill merger that will resolve the issues in the House and Senate versions of the Bill.

This is being done so that the Bill will be able to pass the Senate with less than a 60 vote majority, which Democrats no longer automatically have. The new presidential version will be available on Monday, but already has no less than 18 Democrats supporting it (including Senator Kirsten Gillibrand and Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York) up to a rumored 40. . . .

Does that sound bipartisan to you? Does that sound like someone listening to all ideas and options? Is this an example of listening to the American public?

http://www.examiner.com/x-34896-Binghamton-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m2d19-The-real-politics-of-Health-Care-Reform
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RE: President Obama has his aides drafting a Health Car... - 2/19/2010 8:14:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Brian, let me try to explain this to you... Obama cannot maigcally snap his fingers and get a bill passed.  He couldn't do it before when he had a Dem supermajority and he certainly can't do it now.  So he has a choice - he can either drop the bill altogether, or recraft it so that Republicans will support it.  You seem to think that being angry will accomplish something.  Obama doesn't.


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RE: President Obama has his aides drafting a Health Car... - 2/19/2010 8:16:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for calling attention to the bullshit Obama is trying to peddle. Bipartisan health care summit my ass. Its still my way or the highway, and the conservatives are right...the summit is just a show so he can claim either no cooperation or bipartisanship when he shoves it down our throats.

And no, fat head moron, "we" don't want Obamas version of health care reform and the polls show it.

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RE: President Obama has his aides drafting a Health Car... - 2/19/2010 8:59:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Repeatedly he asked for bipartisian efforts on health care reform. Repeatedly all we heard from republicans is how it will never work. (Hawaii makes a mockery of that statement) Republicans now want him to scrap all that work and start over. He isnt willing to do that, and i dont blame him. We have been trying to get some form of health care reform passed for over a decade. Its time it happened.

He is taking what each side of Congress stated they wanted, merging them together, then proposing them as one. Im not happy with everything in there. I dont believe Obama is either. But its a place to start.

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RE: President Obama has his aides drafting a Health Car... - 2/20/2010 2:00:09 AM   
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Repeatedly he asked for bipartisian efforts on health care reform. Repeatedly all we heard from republicans is how it will never work. (Hawaii makes a mockery of that statement) Republicans now want him to scrap all that work and start over. He isnt willing to do that, and i dont blame him. We have been trying to get some form of health care reform passed for over a decade. Its time it happened.

He is taking what each side of Congress stated they wanted, merging them together, then proposing them as one. Im not happy with everything in there. I dont believe Obama is either. But its a place to start.


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RE: President Obama has his aides drafting a Health Car... - 2/20/2010 5:27:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		The key words here. 'His aides are drafting a bill'... He is still doing everything behind closed doors.

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RE: President Obama has his aides drafting a Health Car... - 2/20/2010 6:12:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		hmmm... how can you consider it behind closed doors if what he is merging are two forms that have been proposed, debated and voted on by the House and Senate, and the forms have been posted on line? He is doing what they are refusing to do, keeping this bill alive.

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RE: President Obama has his aides drafting a Health Car... - 2/20/2010 6:17:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Republicans, insurance companies and drug companies are all being excluded from drafting this bill. Nothing has changed..

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RE: President Obama has his aides drafting a Health Car... - 2/20/2010 6:27:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I dont want the people who need the most reform to be in on the bill, ie. insurance and drug companies. that kind of thinking is crazy.

Republicans were invited. All they could come up with is that his invitation was a "trap". They have nothing to bring to the table, so they arent going.

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RE: President Obama has his aides drafting a Health Car... - 2/20/2010 6:32:13 AM   
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Republicans, insurance companies and drug companies are all being excluded from drafting this bill. Nothing has changed..


Tazzy is right.  Insurance companies and drug companies do not represent the people, are not a part of the political process and have already infected congress with lobby money.  Republicans were invited and are refusing to attend. 

I'm really beginning to wonder just exactly do Republicans want?  I have yet to hear anything that sounds like any kind of plan from them.  No vision of the future, nothing.  What exactly do they want?? 

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RE: President Obama has his aides drafting a Health Car... - 2/20/2010 9:02:24 AM   
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Republicans, insurance companies and drug companies are all being excluded from drafting this bill. Nothing has changed..


What bullshit--especially given the piles of lobbying money those companies have dumped on Congress.

Republicans are there, doing what they do, participating as they see fit. And yes, nothing has changed there.

We have a bill. Sort out what we can agree on. Pass it and sign it.

If 'pubs have a problem with that, participate differently.

I say about time Obama found his balls. Ego and idealism isn't going to get this done.




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RE: President Obama has his aides drafting a Health Car... - 2/20/2010 9:52:35 AM   
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Republicans, insurance companies and drug companies are all being excluded from drafting this bill. Nothing has changed..


In my dreams. The GOP is actually bragging about being the "Party of NO".

Although I find it oddly telling that you are so offended that private interests are not allowed to write our laws.

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RE: President Obama has his aides drafting a Health Car... - 2/20/2010 9:56:25 AM   
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Republicans, insurance companies and drug companies are all being excluded from drafting this bill. Nothing has changed..


What positive input would you expect them to add to the conversation? That is paramount to having foxes design your hen house.

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RE: President Obama has his aides drafting a Health Car... - 2/20/2010 10:06:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		This bill is to big and way to costly. If the dems couldn't ram it through with their super majority, it won't go through now.

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RE: President Obama has his aides drafting a Health Car... - 2/20/2010 10:08:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		which bill, the one that obamas aides are drafting?

thanks for the heads up, Kreskin.

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RE: President Obama has his aides drafting a Health Car... - 2/20/2010 10:17:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		The original bill was lacking....Let's see what happens with the new rendition.

If I were a conservative I would be deeply concerned that we are currently spending about 17% of our GDP on health care. Many of our "rival" nations spend around 6-7%. Kind of hard to be competitive in that environment.

While we tend to believe in these words...."We hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

It is time to realize that without an access to an equal and affordable health care and education system that life, liberty and happiness may not be obtainable.

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RE: President Obama has his aides drafting a Health Car... - 2/20/2010 10:18:05 AM   
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Republicans, insurance companies and drug companies are all being excluded from drafting this bill. Nothing has changed..


Tazzy is right.  Insurance companies and drug companies do not represent the people, are not a part of the political process and have already infected congress with lobby money.  Republicans were invited and are refusing to attend. 

I'm really beginning to wonder just exactly do Republicans want?  I have yet to hear anything that sounds like any kind of plan from them.  No vision of the future, nothing.  What exactly do they want?? 


Tax cuts for the rich and no regulation on businesses, because after all the biggest problem we have in this country is that rich people don't have enough money.


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RE: President Obama has his aides drafting a Health Car... - 2/20/2010 10:18:13 AM   
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This bill is to big and way to costly. If the dems couldn't ram it through with their super majority, it won't go through now.


I see you're letting yourself proceed unemcumbered by facts.

The Congressional Budget Office disagrees with you. But then, they ran numbers. Makes a difference.

And obviously the point of reconciliation is so that the bill doesn't need a super majority, just a majority--which it already has.

What's too big and way to costly is to continue to let spiraling health care costs weigh down the economy.

I thought you on the right liked business? Fixing health care is going to save them a bundle. They can't continue as they are with ever increasing costs. And insuring everyone (OK, close to everyone) provides the base for covering the conditions insurance won't touch now, spreading the cost and the risk--which is what insurance does. This also makes for a wellness nation instead of a crisis treatment approach, contributing to worker security and productivity.

There's a reason every other nation has already done this.



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RE: President Obama has his aides drafting a Health Car... - 2/20/2010 10:22:27 AM   
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Republicans, insurance companies and drug companies are all being excluded from drafting this bill.


Don't worry. You've already got your wish. The insurance companies and drug manufacturers have already had their input. The deals were already cut last year, and written  into both the House and Senate versions of the bill. Even in the highly improbable event that Obama's Keystone Kops legislative team (the same incompetent outfit that already horsefucked this whole process into the train wreck that it is) manage to succeed in ramming the bill through, it's very unlikely they'll take those deals out.


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RE: President Obama has his aides drafting a Health Car... - 2/20/2010 10:28:43 AM   
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The way to do this well would have been to start from scratch with a single payer program. That just was never going to happen.

All we can do is move the ball down the field. Even flawed, better than continuing to ignore the problem.

And it's easier to adjust than to create. If we don't get this, we'll have nothing. Again. For decades more.

Logrolling is how things are done legislatively. It's annoying, but it's reality.

I know you disagree. But here we are.

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