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I have to admit that the CPAC impressed me at times. - 2/21/2010 10:02:56 AM

DarkSteven

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1. Ron Paul won their straw poll. He may not be everyone's cup of tea, but he says what he means and doesn't peddle his views for a living, like the commentators. He's been consistent and sincere in his beliefs.

2. Racism was shown to be out of line.

If the CPAC is able to speak for the Tea Partiers in a sober and coherent manner, they may be onto something. I'd hate to see the Tea Party's energy frittered away.

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RE: I have to admit that the CPAC impressed me at times. - 2/21/2010 10:55:46 AM

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CPAC will make room for the Tea Party people. Remember, conservative does not always mean socially conservative. The tea party, especially those who broke off from the democrats and those who are independents are identifying as MORE FISCALLY conservative. The Libertarians just want big government gone. And as Glenn Beck pointed out....the Republicans also created the mess of big government. They NEED to listen to the people and stop the spending.

But I have yet to see a real leader to emerge for 2012. It is very disappointing.

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RE: I have to admit that the CPAC impressed me at times. - 2/21/2010 11:51:39 AM

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Just like last time Ron Paul doesn't have a chance of winning the Republican nomination,. The far right will never support him. All he does if he runs as an independent is fracture the vote so that the Republican candidate has no chance to win the Presidential race.

Nothing to see there really, same results as before different day.

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RE: I have to admit that the CPAC impressed me at times. - 2/21/2010 11:52:06 AM

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The Libertarians just want big government gone. And as Glenn Beck pointed out....the Republicans also created the mess of big government. They NEED to listen to the people and stop the spending.

But I have yet to see a real leader to emerge for 2012. It is very disappointing.

There isn't a leader who can pull these disparate factions together. Stopping spending is a great applause line for all the factions- until somone points out that it is mathematically impossible to cut spending in any meaningful way without cutting either Social Security, Medicare, or Defense.

No politician can get elected by cutting any of those things.

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RE: I have to admit that the CPAC impressed me at times. - 2/21/2010 12:00:21 PM

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For all the hoppla, with rare exception, despite what they say, it's people who voted Republican who are going to vote Republican, happily or not.

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RE: I have to admit that the CPAC impressed me at times. - 2/21/2010 12:33:53 PM

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quote:

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CPAC will make room for the Tea Party people. Remember, conservative does not always mean socially conservative. The tea party, especially those who broke off from the democrats and those who are independents are identifying as MORE FISCALLY conservative. The Libertarians just want big government gone. And as Glenn Beck pointed out....the Republicans also created the mess of big government. They NEED to listen to the people and stop the spending.

But I have yet to see a real leader to emerge for 2012. It is very disappointing.

I don't want or need a "leader" I want a good fiscal "manager."
"The govt." isn't there to tell us what to do, it's there to do what The People tell it what to do.

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RE: I have to admit that the CPAC impressed me at times. - 2/21/2010 12:51:38 PM

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"The People" don't know what they want because they haven't been schooled on how to govern. Notice the government isn't jumping to make sure economics is covered in every high school although it should be mandatory. I sympathize with the tea party people in only one way: they are simple and probably for the most part well intentioned, down to earth people. They do not, however, know what they hell they are talking about. They have been riled up by a bunch of douchebags on fox news and republicans who see them as lambs for the slaughter. Simple example: Glenn Beck has been scaring people into buying gold for fear the government is going collapse at any moment. Guess who is a PAID spokesman for the gold corp he advocates? He's making money off the fools he's scaring. Awesome.

Republicans need "the little people" to vote them back in so they can continue to line their pockets with lobby money. They have no intention of cutting "big government". They instead want to cut anything positive to the middle class as per their corporate masters. The average American cannot afford to compete with the lobby money corporations are willing to give politicians so their don't have to pay the average American a livable wage.

I'm not saying Democrats are all roses and candy. Often they are just as willing to take money to achieve absolutely nothing. What is going on right now I don't think is Obama's fault. He has tried to bring back a spirit of bipartisanship to the Congress but neither party is playing along. Republicans, however, are the worst of the lot. They demand only their agenda passed and then vote against the bill just because it has anything the democrats want in it. Then if it does pass, they take credit for it... They go to ribbon cutting ceremonies and pretend they had something to do with the money that came to their district. Hypocrites! Don't believe me? See the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VOE6JRfDs8

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RE: I have to admit that the CPAC impressed me at times. - 2/21/2010 1:16:00 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

1. Ron Paul won their straw poll. He may not be everyone's cup of tea, but he says what he means and doesn't peddle his views for a living, like the commentators. He's been consistent and sincere in his beliefs.

2. Racism was shown to be out of line.

If the CPAC is able to speak for the Tea Partiers in a sober and coherent manner, they may be onto something. I'd hate to see the Tea Party's energy frittered away.

You were impressed by CPAC? Did you listen to the keynote speech? The speech where Glenn Beck called progressivism a "cancer?" The speech where Glenn Beck called for the "eradication" of progressives? Did you miss them chanting for Dick Cheney to run for President?

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RE: I have to admit that the CPAC impressed me at times. - 2/21/2010 1:36:04 PM

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Why not? Abortion?

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The far right will never support him.

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RE: I have to admit that the CPAC impressed me at times. - 2/21/2010 1:39:29 PM

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I think you can cut Defense spending a lot and Paul will do it.

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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex

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ORIGINAL: Sserpentia

The Libertarians just want big government gone. And as Glenn Beck pointed out....the Republicans also created the mess of big government. They NEED to listen to the people and stop the spending.

But I have yet to see a real leader to emerge for 2012. It is very disappointing.

There isn't a leader who can pull these disparate factions together. Stopping spending is a great applause line for all the factions- until somone points out that it is mathematically impossible to cut spending in any meaningful way without cutting either Social Security, Medicare, or Defense.

No politician can get elected by cutting any of those things.

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RE: I have to admit that the CPAC impressed me at times. - 2/21/2010 1:44:00 PM

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They seem to be there for Wall Street. Wall Street tells Bush/Paulson/Obama/Geitner what to do.

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ORIGINAL: Sserpentia

CPAC will make room for the Tea Party people. Remember, conservative does not always mean socially conservative. The tea party, especially those who broke off from the democrats and those who are independents are identifying as MORE FISCALLY conservative. The Libertarians just want big government gone. And as Glenn Beck pointed out....the Republicans also created the mess of big government. They NEED to listen to the people and stop the spending.

But I have yet to see a real leader to emerge for 2012. It is very disappointing.

I don't want or need a "leader" I want a good fiscal "manager."
"The govt." isn't there to tell us what to do, it's there to do what The People tell it what to do.

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RE: I have to admit that the CPAC impressed me at times. - 2/21/2010 1:59:06 PM

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It IS Obama's fault, fuck this bi-partisan bullshit and give me some results like real healthcare reform and stack the court to get rid of this Roberts chief justice black plague. And get the money back from the crooks on Wall Street and have the FBI investigate to get some indictments and put them in jail. And how about some war crimes action on Cheney. He needs to get a move on and 'twist arms' to get results not give more speeches.

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RE: I have to admit that the CPAC impressed me at times. - 2/21/2010 2:00:54 PM

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Dick Cheney to run for President; what a bunch of losers.

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RE: I have to admit that the CPAC impressed me at times. - 2/21/2010 2:37:13 PM

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I understand your frustration but at the same time you have to understand two things: 1. Obama was a relative n00b to the political game when he arrived in washington. In an effort to try to pull the country together through bipartisanship he miscalculated the republican complete lack of desire to do anything but regain control, to turn every policy into talking points, and to hypocritically take credit for bills they didn't vote for. 2. He has managed to do quite a bit in his single year in office but it's being overshadowed by the farcical media zoo created by the combination of fox, republican rhetoric, and the tea party drones.

Seven presidents before Obama tried to reform health care in this country and every time they were derailed by fear tactics. Obama has been the first to get *anything* passed the House. That's a feat unto itself. Not that you'd know that given the way it is portrayed in the media. I am hoping he is now changing tactics with his meeting on the 25th, which republicans called a trap. I'd like to see him be more public the way he was in the first month of office. He needs to let that charisma he started with work for him throughout.

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RE: I have to admit that the CPAC impressed me at times. - 2/21/2010 2:40:36 PM

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You were impressed by CPAC?

As I said, at times.

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RE: I have to admit that the CPAC impressed me at times. - 2/21/2010 3:08:01 PM

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You were impressed by CPAC? Did you listen to the keynote speech? The speech where Glenn Beck called progressivism a "cancer?" The speech where Glenn Beck called for the "eradication" of progressives? Did you miss them chanting for Dick Cheney to run for President?

It was all much more impressive n the original German, with the torchlit parades and all.

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RE: I have to admit that the CPAC impressed me at times. - 2/21/2010 3:21:28 PM

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The Libertarians just want big government gone. And as Glenn Beck pointed out....the Republicans also created the mess of big government. They NEED to listen to the people and stop the spending.

But I have yet to see a real leader to emerge for 2012. It is very disappointing.

There isn't a leader who can pull these disparate factions together. Stopping spending is a great applause line for all the factions- until somone points out that it is mathematically impossible to cut spending in any meaningful way without cutting either Social Security, Medicare, or Defense.

No politician can get elected by cutting any of those things.

Why did you throw in Defense there? Why can't we cut war spending? I'm calling the bluff.

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RE: I have to admit that the CPAC impressed me at times. - 2/21/2010 4:30:21 PM

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Why not? Abortion?

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The far right will never support him.

That and his wanting to slice the military budget. You do remember those are some of the biggest, "Let's bomb em" proponents there are?

Why would they support him this time? What would be different from the last time they didn't?

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RE: I have to admit that the CPAC impressed me at times. - 2/21/2010 4:45:44 PM

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Found this article in Atlantic, by Mickey Edwards.
Mickey Edwards is one of the founders of the heritage Foundation, an advisor to Reagan, and a former leader of CPAC.

His article sums up my own perspective on the conservative movement- "Why I'm Not At CPAC This Year":

Sample quotes:
"Today there are few things that set a "conservatives'" teeth on edge more than a defense of "civil liberties;" yet that is what American conservatism was all about--protecting the liberties of the people. It was a system designed to protect the people from an over-reaching government, not to protect the government from the people. American constitutionalism was a historical high-point in recognizing individual worth.
Stop at CPAC today and you will find rooms full of ardent, zealous, fervent young men and women who believe the government should be allowed to torture (we condemned people at Nuremberg for doing that), who believe the government should be able to lock people up without charges and hold them indefinitely (something Henry VIII agreed was a proper exercise of government authority).
Who believe the government should be able to read a citizen's mail and listen in on a citizen's phone calls, all without a warrant (the Constitution of course prohibits searches without a warrant, but nobody cares less about the Constitution than some of today's ersatz conservatives).

Ronald Reagan would not have been welcome at today's CPAC or a tea party rally, but he would not have wanted to be there, either. Neither do I."

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RE: I have to admit that the CPAC impressed me at times. - 2/21/2010 6:50:21 PM

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I am very frustrated with Obama because there are many sick people clinging onto their lives by the skin of their teeth and they do not have the time for bipartisanship. Another thing worries me which is Obama deception. Some people believe Obama is disingenuous and there are times when I wonder if he's using bipartisanship as an excuse to accomplish nothing because he thinks we are stupid. In my opinion we do not need to have bipartisanship to get a health care bill for anything else passed.
In the last 10 years I have learned that working hard is not enough. It is critically important to get results to be successful. And right now I am demanding Obama produce results. And I might add as a footnote I find Harry Reid, leadership wise, lacking as well.

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I understand your frustration but at the same time you have to understand two things: 1. Obama was a relative n00b to the political game when he arrived in washington. In an effort to try to pull the country together through bipartisanship he miscalculated the republican complete lack of desire to do anything but regain control, to turn every policy into talking points, and to hypocritically take credit for bills they didn't vote for. 2. He has managed to do quite a bit in his single year in office but it's being overshadowed by the farcical media zoo created by the combination of fox, republican rhetoric, and the tea party drones.

Seven presidents before Obama tried to reform health care in this country and every time they were derailed by fear tactics. Obama has been the first to get *anything* passed the House. That's a feat unto itself. Not that you'd know that given the way it is portrayed in the media. I am hoping he is now changing tactics with his meeting on the 25th, which republicans called a trap. I'd like to see him be more public the way he was in the first month of office. He needs to let that charisma he started with work for him throughout.

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