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Bill Moyers: What Are We Bid for American Justice? - JU... - 2/21/2010 11:57:58 AM   
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I really think Obama needs to stack the court. John Roberts is an activist Chief Justice who is trying to shape the Supreme Court and American law into his own radical vision and he should be stopped before he does any more damage. Roberts is a hypocrite and a liar who just said whatever he had to in order to be confirmed.

It appears no matter what the issue, the interests of the corporation prevails.

Sandra Day O Connor is speaking out about this now but she should have thought of the consequences of her resignation before she left the bench.

JUSTICE FOR SALE - VIDEO

Bill Moyers Journal takes a hard look at how campaign cash in judicial races may sway America's courts. The Journal revisits the 1999 FRONTLINE special "Justice for Sale" which reported on the growing concern — even among Supreme Court justices themselves — that campaign contributions may be corrupting the judicial process.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/02192010/watch.html
 
 
Bill Moyers: What Are We Bid for American Justice?
 
Our government is not broken; it's been bought out from under us. On the right and the left and smack across the vast middle, more and more Americans doubt representative democracy can survive the corruption of money.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-moyers/what-are-we-bid-for-ameri_b_469335.html
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RE: Bill Moyers: What Are We Bid for American Justice? ... - 2/21/2010 12:01:56 PM   
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Sandra Day O Connor is speaking out about this now but she should have thought of the consequences of her resignation before she left the bench.


Yeah. Cold hearted bitch just up and left to care for her dying husband.

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RE: Bill Moyers: What Are We Bid for American Justice? ... - 2/21/2010 12:49:49 PM   
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why does it seem like presidents last longer?

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RE: Bill Moyers: What Are We Bid for American Justice? ... - 2/21/2010 12:58:33 PM   
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why does it seem like presidents last longer?


Viagra.

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RE: Bill Moyers: What Are We Bid for American Justice? ... - 2/21/2010 3:40:55 PM   
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Sandra Day O Connor is speaking out about this now but she should have thought of the consequences of her resignation before she left the bench.


Yeah. Cold hearted bitch just up and left to care for her dying husband.


No shit. What is she, a doctor? Someone else could have handled that. And hell, at his age, he probably wouldn't have lived much longer anyway, so what was the point?


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RE: Bill Moyers: What Are We Bid for American Justice? ... - 2/21/2010 4:02:39 PM   
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I really think Obama needs to stack the court.


I completely agree, but the problem is getting the openings. Roberts. Alito, and Thomas are going to be around for another 20 years. Stevens is almost 90, and could collapse into a pile of dust at any second, but once you get past him I'm not sure any of the other justices are planning to retire or die any time soon. Breyer, Kennedy, and Ginsburg could easily go another 5 years apiece, and while Scalia gets weirder  by the month and may well be suffering from the early stages of Alzheimer's, he's not so far gone that he can't hang on a few more years to make sure he's  replaced by a conservative judge.

With a little luck, Obama may get to appoint 2 more justices in the next 3 years, but realistically speaking, it's pretty likely that even if he does, the justices he'll be replacing are already liberals anyway. Scalia is the only conservative judge he's likely to get a shot at, but if he's a one-term president, even the chances of that are slim. I think whomever is elected in 2012 will be the president who gets the chance to really pack the court, because 4 of the current 9 look like good bets to retire between 2013 and 2016.


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RE: Bill Moyers: What Are We Bid for American Justice? ... - 2/21/2010 4:44:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Brain

I really think Obama needs to stack the court.


I completely agree, but the problem is getting the openings. Roberts. Alito, and Thomas are going to be around for another 20 years. Stevens is almost 90, and could collapse into a pile of dust at any second, but once you get past him I'm not sure any of the other justices are planning to retire or die any time soon. Breyer, Kennedy, and Ginsburg could easily go another 5 years apiece, and while Scalia gets weirder  by the month and may well be suffering from the early stages of Alzheimer's, he's not so far gone that he can't hang on a few more years to make sure he's  replaced by a conservative judge.

With a little luck, Obama may get to appoint 2 more justices in the next 3 years, but realistically speaking, it's pretty likely that even if he does, the justices he'll be replacing are already liberals anyway. Scalia is the only conservative judge he's likely to get a shot at, but if he's a one-term president, even the chances of that are slim. I think whomever is elected in 2012 will be the president who gets the chance to really pack the court, because 4 of the current 9 look like good bets to retire between 2013 and 2016.


I think he meant pack the court by expanding the size of the court to 11 and therefore appointing 2 new justices.

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RE: Bill Moyers: What Are We Bid for American Justice? ... - 2/21/2010 4:47:31 PM   
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Justice goes to the highest bidder...those who can't afford justice ends up as the movie of the week...LOL

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RE: Bill Moyers: What Are We Bid for American Justice? ... - 2/21/2010 5:15:29 PM   
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Stack the court ? You have to have a vacancy on the court before the president can nominate a replacement. Then that nominee has to be approved by congress. Good luck with that after the dems lose control in November..

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RE: Bill Moyers: What Are We Bid for American Justice? ... - 2/21/2010 5:36:11 PM   
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I think he meant pack the court by expanding the size of the court to 11 and therefore appointing 2 new justices.


Oh. Well, hell, then, that's a fish of an entirely different kettle. It'd never work. He'd need congressional approval, if I'm not mistaken, and it'd never fly. When Roosevelt tried that back in, what, 36 or 37, it was a political disaster for him, and Obama doesn't have half the balls Roosevelt had.


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RE: Bill Moyers: What Are We Bid for American Justice? ... - 2/21/2010 8:44:08 PM   
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That's not (waiting for openings)  stacking the court.
This is,
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July 26, 2007
Op-Ed Contributor
Stacking the Court
By JEAN EDWARD SMITH
Huntington, W.Va.
WHEN a majority of Supreme Court justices adopt a manifestly ideological agenda, it plunges the court into the vortex of American politics. If the Roberts court has entered voluntarily what Justice Felix Frankfurter once called the “political thicket,” it may require a political solution to set it straight.
The framers of the Constitution did not envisage the Supreme Court as arbiter of all national issues. As Chief Justice John Marshall made clear in Marbury v. Madison, the court’s authority extends only to legal issues.
When the court overreaches, the Constitution provides checks and balances. In 1805, after persistent political activity by Justice Samuel Chase, Congress responded with its power of impeachment. Chase was acquitted, but never again did he step across the line to mingle law and politics. After the Civil War, when a Republican Congress feared the court might tamper with Reconstruction in the South, it removed those questions from the court’s appellate jurisdiction.
But the method most frequently employed to bring the court to heel has been increasing or decreasing its membership. The size of the Supreme Court is not fixed by the Constitution. It is determined by Congress.
The original Judiciary Act of 1789 set the number of justices at six. When the Federalists were defeated in 1800, the lame-duck Congress reduced the size of the court to five — hoping to deprive President Jefferson of an appointment. The incoming Democratic Congress repealed the Federalist measure (leaving the number at six), and then in 1807 increased the size of the court to seven, giving Jefferson an additional appointment.
In 1837, the number was increased to nine, affording the Democrat Andrew Jackson two additional appointments. During the Civil War, to insure an anti-slavery, pro-Union majority on the bench, the court was increased to 10. When a Democrat, Andrew Johnson, became president upon Lincoln’s death, a Republican Congress voted to reduce the size to seven (achieved by attrition) to guarantee Johnson would have no appointments.
After Ulysses S. Grant was elected in 1868, Congress restored the court to nine. That gave Grant two new appointments. The court had just declared unconstitutional the government’s authority to issue paper currency (greenbacks). Grant took the opportunity to appoint two justices sympathetic to the administration. When the reconstituted court convened, it reheard the legal tender cases and reversed its decision (5-4).
The most recent attempt to alter the size of the court was by Franklin Roosevelt in 1937. But instead of simply requesting that Congress add an additional justice or two, Roosevelt’s convoluted scheme fooled no one and ultimately sank under its own weight.
Roosevelt claimed the justices were too old to keep up with the workload, and urged that for every justice who reached the age of 70 and did not retire within six months, the president should be able to appoint a younger justice to help out. Six of the Supreme Court justices in 1937 were older than 70. But the court was not behind in its docket, and Roosevelt’s subterfuge was exposed. In the Senate, the president could muster only 20 supporters.
Still, there is nothing sacrosanct about having nine justices on the Supreme Court. Roosevelt’s 1937 chicanery has given court-packing a bad name, but it is a hallowed American political tradition participated in by Republicans and Democrats alike.
If the current five-man majority persists in thumbing its nose at popular values, the election of a Democratic president and Congress could provide a corrective. It requires only a majority vote in both houses to add a justice or two. Chief Justice John Roberts and his conservative colleagues might do well to bear in mind that the roll call of presidents who have used this option includes not just Roosevelt but also Adams, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln and Grant.
Jean Edward Smith is the author, most recently, of “F.D.R.”
[link=http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/26/opinion/26smith.html]http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/26/opinion/26smith.html






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ORIGINAL: Brain

I really think Obama needs to stack the court.


I completely agree, but the problem is getting the openings. Roberts. Alito, and Thomas are going to be around for another 20 years. Stevens is almost 90, and could collapse into a pile of dust at any second, but once you get past him I'm not sure any of the other justices are planning to retire or die any time soon. Breyer, Kennedy, and Ginsburg could easily go another 5 years apiece, and while Scalia gets weirder  by the month and may well be suffering from the early stages of Alzheimer's, he's not so far gone that he can't hang on a few more years to make sure he's  replaced by a conservative judge.

With a little luck, Obama may get to appoint 2 more justices in the next 3 years, but realistically speaking, it's pretty likely that even if he does, the justices he'll be replacing are already liberals anyway. Scalia is the only conservative judge he's likely to get a shot at, but if he's a one-term president, even the chances of that are slim. I think whomever is elected in 2012 will be the president who gets the chance to really pack the court, because 4 of the current 9 look like good bets to retire between 2013 and 2016.

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RE: Bill Moyers: What Are We Bid for American Justice? ... - 2/21/2010 8:54:48 PM   
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I’ll try again.
 
July 26, 2007
 
OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR
 
Stacking the Court
 
By JEAN EDWARD SMITH
 
Huntington, W.Va.
 
WHEN a majority of Supreme Court justices adopt a manifestly ideological agenda, it plunges the court into the vortex of American politics. If the Roberts court has entered voluntarily what Justice Felix Frankfurter once called the “political thicket,” it may require a political solution to set it straight.
 
The framers of the Constitution did not envisage the Supreme Court as arbiter of all national issues. As Chief Justice John Marshall made clear in Marbury v. Madison, the court’s authority extends only to legal issues.
 
When the court overreaches, the Constitution provides checks and balances. In 1805, after persistent political activity by Justice Samuel Chase, Congress responded with its power of impeachment. Chase was acquitted, but never again did he step across the line to mingle law and politics. After the Civil War, when a Republican Congress feared the court might tamper with Reconstruction in the South, it removed those questions from the court’s appellate jurisdiction.
 
But the method most frequently employed to bring the court to heel has been increasing or decreasing its membership. The size of the Supreme Court is not fixed by the Constitution. It is determined by Congress.
 
The original Judiciary Act of 1789 set the number of justices at six. When the Federalists were defeated in 1800, the lame-duck Congress reduced the size of the court to five — hoping to deprive President Jefferson of an appointment. The incoming Democratic Congress repealed the Federalist measure (leaving the number at six), and then in 1807 increased the size of the court to seven, giving Jefferson an additional appointment.
 
In 1837, the number was increased to nine, affording the Democrat Andrew Jackson two additional appointments. During the Civil War, to insure an anti-slavery, pro-Union majority on the bench, the court was increased to 10. When a Democrat, Andrew Johnson, became president upon Lincoln’s death, a Republican Congress voted to reduce the size to seven (achieved by attrition) to guarantee Johnson would have no appointments.
 
After Ulysses S. Grant was elected in 1868, Congress restored the court to nine. That gave Grant two new appointments. The court had just declared unconstitutional the government’s authority to issue paper currency (greenbacks). Grant took the opportunity to appoint two justices sympathetic to the administration. When the reconstituted court convened, it reheard the legal tender cases and reversed its decision (5-4).
 
The most recent attempt to alter the size of the court was by Franklin Roosevelt in 1937. But instead of simply requesting that Congress add an additional justice or two, Roosevelt’s convoluted scheme fooled no one and ultimately sank under its own weight.
 
Roosevelt claimed the justices were too old to keep up with the workload, and urged that for every justice who reached the age of 70 and did not retire within six months, the president should be able to appoint a younger justice to help out. Six of the Supreme Court justices in 1937 were older than 70. But the court was not behind in its docket, and Roosevelt’s subterfuge was exposed. In the Senate, the president could muster only 20 supporters.
 
Still, there is nothing sacrosanct about having nine justices on the Supreme Court. Roosevelt’s 1937 chicanery has given court-packing a bad name, but it is a hallowed American political tradition participated in by Republicans and Democrats alike.
 
If the current five-man majority persists in thumbing its nose at popular values, the election of a Democratic president and Congress could provide a corrective. It requires only a majority vote in both houses to add a justice or two. Chief Justice John Roberts and his conservative colleagues might do well to bear in mind that the roll call of presidents who have used this option includes not just Roosevelt but also Adams, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln and Grant.
 
Jean Edward Smith is the author, most recently, of “F.D.R.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/26/opinion/26smith.html  



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I think he meant pack the court by expanding the size of the court to 11 and therefore appointing 2 new justices.


Oh. Well, hell, then, that's a fish of an entirely different kettle. It'd never work. He'd need congressional approval, if I'm not mistaken, and it'd never fly. When Roosevelt tried that back in, what, 36 or 37, it was a political disaster for him, and Obama doesn't have half the balls Roosevelt had.


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