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cloudboy -> Global Warming -- James Lovelock (2/22/2010 8:15:50 AM)
James Lovelock predicts a huge jump in the earth's temperatures: >A new climatic jump, he concludes, will occur within the next few years or decades, and will involve an abrupt increase in average global surface temperature of 9 degrees Celsius—from 15 to 24 degrees Celsius (59 to 75 degrees Fahrenheit). Such a shift, he contends, will trigger the collapse of our global civilization and the near extinction of humanity.< Such a temperature jump is a minority view in the scientific community, but it still makes me want to move inland around a mountainous area and take up survivalist skills. >In identifying the root of the climate problem Lovelock coins the word "polyanthroponemia"—a condition in which "humans overpopulate until they do more harm than good." As he explains: The presence of 7 billion people aiming for first-world comforts...is clearly incompatible with the homeostasis of climate but also with chemistry, biological diversity and the economy of the system.< This, too, is a valid point -- namely that if climate change does not cause a calamity -- our population explosion will. I like the fact that he coins a word for the tipping point of overpopulation, but I wish he picked something a little less impossible to remember and use in one's daily vocabulary. Reading such material cannot help but change one's outlook on both the future and the present.

cuckoldmepls -> RE: Global Warming -- James Lovelock (2/22/2010 8:29:37 AM)
Well there is no doubt that mankind has a negative impact on our planet. However, It's pretty obvious to me that we have been in a natural warming period for hundreds if not thousands of years. The icecaps were receding in the early 1900's before the Industrial revolution had even come full strength and cars took over the world. We certainly aren't helping though. It is cause for concern though, and the only practical method to avert it is nuclear power and electric cars. I believe it won't have the impact that they predict it will though. For example they talk about how rising ocean waters will inundate hundreds of major cities. Well I believe that as much as we irrigate worldwide, which ensures that most of the fresh water will not return to the seas, it will be a neglible rise. Now if we really want to avert a global flood, then perhaps we should build a nuclear desalinizaton plant in a central location along Africa's coast, and then build massive irrigation canals to turn parts of Africa into a Garden of Eden. Now, doesn't that sound like a good public works project for Africans to do that will help themselves permanently, rather than expect free help from the rest of the world forever. Despite the fact, that they've never heard of birth control or vasectomies.

cuckoldmepls -> RE: Global Warming -- James Lovelock (2/22/2010 8:32:37 AM)
By the way, that's how a republican thinks. A democrat just wants to raise taxes each year, and keep giving them money.

cloudboy -> RE: Global Warming -- James Lovelock (2/22/2010 8:39:26 AM)
The Lovelock model is about a tipping point. If he's right, we can all stop worrying about the US national debt, the retirement of the baby boomers, terrorist attacks, and our dreams of more bourgeois luxuries and status.

EbonyWood -> RE: Global Warming -- James Lovelock (2/22/2010 8:40:55 AM)
3 posts (2 by you) to turn a world issue into an opportunity to be bigoted and partisan. Well done, fuckhead.

DarlingSavage -> RE: Global Warming -- James Lovelock (2/22/2010 9:46:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls Well there is no doubt that mankind has a negative impact on our planet. However, It's pretty obvious to me that we have been in a natural warming period for hundreds if not thousands of years. I had no idea you had been around for hundreds, much less, thousands of years. quote: The icecaps were receding in the early 1900's before the Industrial revolution had even come full strength and cars took over the world. We certainly aren't helping though. It is cause for concern though, and the only practical method to avert it is nuclear power and electric cars. Citations? quote: I believe it won't have the impact that they predict it will though. For example they talk about how rising ocean waters will inundate hundreds of major cities. Well I believe that as much as we irrigate worldwide, which ensures that most of the fresh water will not return to the seas, it will be a neglible rise. Now if we really want to avert a global flood, then perhaps we should build a nuclear desalinizaton plant in a central location along Africa's coast, and then build massive irrigation canals to turn parts of Africa into a Garden of Eden. Africa has already come up with a far better solution to energy concerns. They are building solar energy plants. Far more sustainable than nuclear energy. Furthermore, hasn't man's attempts at changing the environment in which we live gotten us into enough trouble already? We need to STOP trying to make the environment adapt to us. That's backwards. We should be striving to adapt to the environments in which we live. All of our so called solutions to Mother Nature's "mishaps" have just come back to bite us in the derrriere. Mainly because we didn't take the time to understand fully the environment in which we lived and the natural cycles which occurred in those environs. Seasons, storms, cycles, ecosystems, the planet, all work together in a way that makes this planet habitable. It's when we interfere with those processes that we begin to disrupt Nature's delicate balance. quote: Now, doesn't that sound like a good public works project for Africans to do that will help themselves permanently, rather than expect free help from the rest of the world forever. Despite the fact, that they've never heard of birth control or vasectomies. This is just a bigoted statement and merely reveals the depth and breadth of your ignorance.

pahunkboy -> RE: Global Warming -- James Lovelock (2/22/2010 10:03:50 AM)
...one topic I am pretty tired of. I am sure it is jsut me.

DarlingSavage -> RE: Global Warming -- James Lovelock (2/22/2010 10:36:55 AM)
I could never get tired of this. It gives me a chance to exercise what I know on the subject.

cloudboy -> RE: Global Warming -- James Lovelock (2/22/2010 10:59:45 AM)
Lovelock considers the only viable alternative energy source to cut CO2 quantities in the air to be be nuclear power.

DarlingSavage -> RE: Global Warming -- James Lovelock (2/22/2010 11:20:37 AM)
Solar energy is a viable source, I'm pretty sure. But energy really isn't my field, so I couldn't make a conclusive statement on this. However, there are problems with nuclear energy that remain to be corrected, such as waste. Nuclear fusion was thought to be a new source of clean energy, but my professors were saying this may not be the case after all. I don't know about you, but given the choice to live next to an energy plant that produced energy from the sun and one that was nuclear, I think I would opt to live next to the solar plant. James Lovelock sounds like an interesting guy though, and I wouldn't mind doing a little further research into his accomplishments. I don't see where he stated that nuclear energy was the only viable option for depleting levels of CO2 in the atmosphere. It also depends on when these statements were made and what technology was available at that time. It appears that he only endorses nuclear energy, however, he doesn't seem to say anything about other sources of alternative energy.

DomKen -> RE: Global Warming -- James Lovelock (2/22/2010 12:21:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy Lovelock considers the only viable alternative energy source to cut CO2 quantities in the air to be be nuclear power. Lovelock must not be keeping up on the technology. Wind and solar are much better choices than nuclear right now and will only get better as the technologies improve. Most homes and businesses could be energy independent by putting up a couple of vertical axis wind turbines, a bank of solar panels and a battery system.

popeye1250 -> RE: Global Warming -- James Lovelock (2/22/2010 2:50:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy James Lovelock predicts a huge jump in the earth's temperatures: >A new climatic jump, he concludes, will occur within the next few years or decades, and will involve an abrupt increase in average global surface temperature of 9 degrees Celsius—from 15 to 24 degrees Celsius (59 to 75 degrees Fahrenheit). Such a shift, he contends, will trigger the collapse of our global civilization and the near extinction of humanity.< Such a temperature jump is a minority view in the scientific community, but it still makes me want to move inland around a mountainous area and take up survivalist skills. >In identifying the root of the climate problem Lovelock coins the word "polyanthroponemia"—a condition in which "humans overpopulate until they do more harm than good." As he explains: The presence of 7 billion people aiming for first-world comforts...is clearly incompatible with the homeostasis of climate but also with chemistry, biological diversity and the economy of the system.< This, too, is a valid point -- namely that if climate change does not cause a calamity -- our population explosion will. I like the fact that he coins a word for the tipping point of overpopulation, but I wish he picked something a little less impossible to remember and use in one's daily vocabulary. Reading such material cannot help but change one's outlook on both the future and the present. Cloudboy, and Jesus "could" return in the next few years or decades too and kick some ass and help out with that overpopulation problem. These "warmer zombies" are mentally ill. If you want to listen to them that's up to you.

cloudboy -> RE: Global Warming -- James Lovelock (2/22/2010 2:52:32 PM)
quote: Lovelock must not be keeping up on the technology. Wind and solar are much better choices than nuclear right now and will only get better as the technologies improve. Most homes and businesses could be energy independent by putting up a couple of vertical axis wind turbines, a bank of solar panels and a battery system. Solar and wind power won't steer global temperatures away from his prediction. According to him, not enough power is generated from those sources to meet the energy demands of industrialized nations. This is especially true in the US. What he's really saying is that Planet Earth cannot be steered clear of the icebergs ahead, so cognitively speaking the question remaining is: what happens after the tipping point is breached.

DarlingSavage -> RE: Global Warming -- James Lovelock (2/22/2010 4:00:03 PM)
quote: Solar and wind power won't steer global temperatures away from his prediction. According to him, not enough power is generated from those sources to meet the energy demands of industrialized nations. This is especially true in the US. What he's really saying is that Planet Earth cannot be steered clear of the icebergs ahead, so cognitively speaking the question remaining is: what happens after the tipping point is breached. Yes, that's been true in the past, but now, the technology is better. We're able to harness much more energy from these sources than we ever could before in the past. Hence, the question as to when he made this statement regarding nuclear energy.

servantforuse -> RE: Global Warming -- James Lovelock (2/22/2010 4:14:59 PM)
Solar panels will never be enough to power a large plant.

DarlingSavage -> RE: Global Warming -- James Lovelock (2/22/2010 4:31:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse Solar panels will never be enough to power a large plant. And you're credentials are????

DomKen -> RE: Global Warming -- James Lovelock (2/22/2010 4:36:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse Solar panels will never be enough to power a large plant. Maybe but probably not. Solar in combination with wind and a good battery system can do it right now. Here's a 4KW wind turbine which would work as a multiple installation on a factory roof to provide significant power. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jUtRipZM_A Add solar panels on the rest of the roof and you could power most plants. The size of the plant actually would work in the favor of solar as it would mean more roof top for more panels.

stella41b -> RE: Global Warming -- James Lovelock (2/22/2010 7:58:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls Now, doesn't that sound like a good public works project for Africans to do that will help themselves permanently, rather than expect free help from the rest of the world forever. Despite the fact, that they've never heard of birth control or vasectomies. Yet another gem here, from someone who has diarrhea when it comes to words but is constipated when it comes to thinking.

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