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To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before - 2/22/2010 3:51:28 PM   
LadyPact


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I'm putting a quick disclaimer on this thread.  I very much expect some of the content of this thread to be graphic.  There may be some subjects included that aren't for everyone.

A couple of nights back, the three of us went to a demo where one of the subjects was needles.  A random question was asked of the group of what the cool thing about this kind of play was.  My knee-jerk answer to this was that, in a sense, I'm literally getting inside (by extension of the needle) of My submissive.  At least temporarily, there is something physically inside of his body where normally there isn't supposed to be.  In a sense, I feel the same way about cutting him.  Medical reasons aside, the body isn't especially supposed to be opened at the skin so that blood can come out or the flesh is exposed.

The more that I keep thinking about this, I'm wondering if this is where the real appeal lies.  What I mean by that is, sure, needles hurt.  I happen to be a sadist, so I like that part of it.  There's some blood, too, and I happen to like that.  However, I can produce those things in other ways.  I could use a wartenberg wheel to get the same effect.  That doesn't give Me the same kind of top buzz as actually getting inside of him on a deeper level.  Perhaps, it's the getting inside of him that really makes the sparks fly for Me. 

This made Me think a little more, because there are a number of ways in BDSM to get inside someone else.  No, I'm not talking about getting a penis in someone's orifice, because, let's face it, that's what the body is designed to do.  I'm talking more about the ways to get inside that aren't particularly natural or expected.  We often turn the phrase getting inside someone's head if we are talking about control or even use the same words for mind fucks.  Which leads Me to think that getting inside of someone isn't especially just physical either. 

So, I thought it might be fun to discuss the concept of getting inside.  Getting in touch with that part of wiitwd that gets inside of that other person.  Or, that thing that is done to you that makes you feel that other person is inside of you.  What's the part of play that is just between the two of you and has a completely different effect on you that nobody else has ever produced?

The barn door is wide open for discussion.  Come on in.


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RE: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before - 2/22/2010 3:55:11 PM   
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This made Me think a little more, because there are a number of ways in BDSM to get inside someone else.


*snaps a long latex glove*

I might make a few of the Domly men cringe if I share ;-)

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RE: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before - 2/22/2010 4:09:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, LP, you do know how to give great thread!  This is going to be hothothot.  I eagerly await the responses.  Maybe I'll even think of something particularly salient to share. 
 
Thanks for posting!

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RE: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before - 2/22/2010 4:37:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I get more of a mental YES from putting lots of fingers in someone than I do putting my penis in her.  I get more physical pleasure from inserting my penis, and using just one finger is fun, but once I've worked up to most of my hand, the feeling that I am violating her, and literally directing how her whole body moves, is just delicious.

Edited to add: The word "meat puppet" just popped into my head!  Maybe I should use that next time I have the opportunity, to have something fun to share on the next What About Humiliation? thread.


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RE: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before - 2/22/2010 4:49:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
 What's the part of play that is just between the two of you and has a completely different effect on you that nobody else has ever produced?



Lots of ways to do this.  I was at a class being put on by an old time Leatherman out of SF.  Afriend of mine was razzing me about being the demo bottom and I laughed at him.  I had no problem being the demo bottom for this class.  He was teasing me because to him, anything penetrative is by definition submissive.  The class was on sounding and my response was "anything that is about prolonged intense orgasms is fine with me".  The presenter was someone I had known and had deep respect for.

Since this is about needles, I can vouch for the fact that intimacy is far more powerful.  I did a scene at a big weekend BDSM event with someone who had the night before been penetrated with over 500 needles.  It was a hot scene for her but at the same time, run of the mill.  I did a scene with her and because of the intimacy I created, it became rather cathartic and ended with me holding her while she sobbed.

At the moment, my play is focused on going the other way, less intimate, more casual.  I am topping for the first time in the classical sense, lots of floggers, singletails and bruises.  Its hot, I am enjoying the hell out of myself and so are the women I am playing with.  I think having come from the side of playing intimately that is really enhancing my play .  Many of my partners end up sobbing and crying, sometimes I end there, other times I hold them for a bit, bring them back, and take them even farther.

However, as far as "getting inside" someone...that IS what is hot for me.  Taking someone someplace they haven't been before, or couldn't go with another.  Violating limits in a CNC sort of way is a very hot and intimate thing and I enjoy the hell out of it.  Getting inside their head and revealing their true selves to them in ways no other could.  Those are the things that are hot for me. 

However, all of this pales to me to the feel of my hand around MY woman's neck, my mouth forced down upon her lips and my tongue violating her mouth, possessing her like no other.  I don't kiss any of my play partners, at least not on the lips, they get "good girl" kisses on their foreheads but kissing them on the lips is too intimate to me, too much like a lover.   Its like pissing on someone, with anyone else it is probably humiliation but with someone to whom I feel that intense bond that makes all other women pale in comparison, it has nothing to do with humiliation and everything to do with using her in the most intimate of ways and sharing myself with her like with no other, it isn't humiliation but total and complete acceptance of one another.

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RE: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before - 2/22/2010 4:54:48 PM   
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RE: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before - 2/22/2010 5:03:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hm... Not sure if this fits the theme or not. I'm still a little giddy from a very fun couple of hours this afternoon, but...

It just so happens that I had a few fingers inside a boy for his first time earlier this afternoon. And while inside him physically I also got into his head by making him say aloud that he liked it. I made him tell me it turned him on to be being "bleeped" by a girl.

Sent him spinning...

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RE: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before - 2/22/2010 5:08:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, I'll take another stab at this (pun intended). Firstly, I really appreciated Michael's post as well.

quote:

However, as far as "getting inside" someone...that IS what is hot for me.  Taking someone someplace they haven't been before, or couldn't go with another.  Violating limits in a CNC sort of way is a very hot and intimate thing and I enjoy the hell out of it.  Getting inside their head and revealing their true selves to them in ways no other could.  Those are the things that are hot for me. 

THIS. Yum! I did want to ask what is CNC?

Now back to this latex glove reference of mine I made earlier. Redmagic wrote:
quote:

I get more of a mental YES from putting lots of fingers in someone than I do putting my penis in her.


I would agree on this, because of course, *my* penis is an artificial extension. With fingers, or my whole hand or fist, I can feel much more. To date, I have actually only fisted women, though I have gotten quite far with fingers in a boy. I do have this deep desire to go further, but I know this takes time and patience, and a willing boy.

The idea of the level of intimacy I can reach, deep control if you wish, is beyond hot and really gets my Domme juices flowing.

It's funny you bring up the notion of a puppet. I know a boy who gets beat red every time I teasingly call him puppet as he knows this is one of my goals!

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RE: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before - 2/22/2010 5:12:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		CNC = Consensual Non Consent

A pointless term with the typical boat load of meanings.  To me, I mean "you want to play with fine, you don't fine but I don't negotiate"  Which is both true and a lie.  I don't make a big fuss out of negotiation because I don't tend to fuck up, I don't tend to push where I shouldn't and in general have "guessed" right when it comes to pushing and when I have screwed up, I have managed to fix it well.  I am also playing VERY close attention when I am pushing something and have a plan on when/where/why I am doing it.  I also don't tend to play with people who are new, I have watched them over time and decided that they are stable, have decent communication skills, and have a style of play that meshes well with mine.


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RE: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before - 2/22/2010 5:13:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		CNC... consensual non consent, I think.

I've done fisting with men, didn't care for the mess much but it was very strange to be that far inside someone. My clearest memory from the first time is the feel of the sphincter muscles closing around my wrist. I was surprised by the strength of them (shouldn't have been considering what they do, but I was) the pressure almost hurt.

It was all very surreal. I don't think I took much of it in.

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RE: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before - 2/22/2010 5:25:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

CNC = Consensual Non Consent

A pointless term with the typical boat load of meanings. 

Thanks.

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 To me, I mean "you want to play with fine, you don't fine but I don't negotiate" 
Which is both true and a lie.  I don't make a big fuss out of negotiation because I don't tend to fuck up, I don't tend to push where I shouldn't and in general have "guessed" right when it comes to pushing and when I have screwed up, I have managed to fix it well.  I am also playing VERY close attention when I am pushing something and have a plan on when/where/why I am doing it.  I also don't tend to play with people who are new, I have watched them over time and decided that they are stable, have decent communication skills, and have a style of play that meshes well with mine.


Agreed. That is the way I see things as well. And I don't want to get this wonderful thread off topic, so rather will refer you to a thread I started on a similar topic about a month ago.

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RE: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before - 2/22/2010 5:27:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ourmsbetty

CNC... consensual non consent, I think.

I've done fisting with men, didn't care for the mess much but it was very strange to be that far inside someone. My clearest memory from the first time is the feel of the sphincter muscles closing around my wrist. I was surprised by the strength of them (shouldn't have been considering what they do, but I was) the pressure almost hurt.

It was all very surreal. I don't think I took much of it in.



I've discussed it with people who have done it. There are ways of avoiding the mess (which I wouldn't be much into neither). It is a goal of mine though, so knowing me, I will make it happen at some point.

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RE: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before - 2/22/2010 5:42:29 PM   
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I've discussed it with people who have done it. There are ways of avoiding the mess (which I wouldn't be much into neither). It is a goal of mine though, so knowing me, I will make it happen at some point.

- LA



Yes but ah, they aren't always foolproof.

I do think you'll enjoy it. The boys go a bit out of their minds. :)

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RE: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before - 2/22/2010 7:29:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		It releases huge endorphin rushes. The damage with thin needles is very minimal-so long as you are aseptic in techinque.

The Top avoids throwing thier joints of of thier sockets with long beatings.

It's perfect.

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RE: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before - 2/22/2010 9:08:44 PM   
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So, I thought it might be fun to discuss the concept of getting inside. Getting in touch with that part of wiitwd that gets inside of that other person. Or, that thing that is done to you that makes you feel that other person is inside of you. What's the part of play that is just between the two of you and has a completely different effect on you that nobody else has ever produced?


I don't get in touch with wiitwd, which phonetically seems to come out of my mouth as idjit with a w on the front. :)

Even so, this is where kink lives for me, regardless of which form you practice. I think most scenes whether public or private have at the base, the intent to drive and stroke feeling inside the other. At least they do for me. The physical interaction will most certainly involve the invasion of orifices, whether all or one, but as a corollary to a harmonic stroking of need and want. The devices used are specific and chosen to create in her whatever it is I want her to feel.  Sometimes a specific thought drives that scene. Sometimes the scene is an extension of the feeling or need inside me, that I want forced inside her and magnified until I can feel that same intensity racing through her nerves.

To take that out of the realm of being vague, maybe I have a lesson I want her to learn, but rather than preach it or denote it as some obscure rule that makes no sense at the time, I build a scene around the concept, around the route I want her reaction and emotion to follow and lead her through it like I'm leading the blind - which may be true since she very well may be blindfolded. Maybe I want to play at the point where pain threads the needle between enhancing pleasure and detracting from it. Maybe I want to explore her boundaries, create a feeling of helplessness, of total submission. Maybe I want her floating out there somewhere, so far out of it she's basically drooling from both ends of her body. Maybe I want her swallowed up by the sheer act of sex. Doesn't matter what the driving focus is. What matters is the route it takes in my mind and thereby my actions to get her to the point where she feels what I want her to feel.

In that way, mind fucks are mind fucks for both parties. You just happen to be fucking your own mind in the process of fucking hers or his as it may be. The matter of trust drives the scenes in many ways.. even in the play with fear. While she knows I would not damage her intentionally, when I play along those lines, the potential for damage does exist if she doesn't obey exactly the instruction given her.

Course, can't give those kinds of instruction when she's not capable.

But yeah, this is where it lives. It's the cake and the rest the great and tasty icing.




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RE: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before - 2/22/2010 9:14:52 PM   
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I'm talking more about the ways to get inside that aren't particularly natural or expected. 



My boy has a bb embedded in his palm. It's magnetic.

I love sticking a big magnet to it and making him hold his hand palm down. Or tugging on the magnet in a certain way so it causes him to feel discomfort when the bb shifts around. Kind of out there, but I agree with what you meant by getting inside. I love that the bb is in there and that I can play with it. When he talks about getting it removed, I actually feel sad.

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RE: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before - 2/22/2010 10:26:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact


I'm talking more about the ways to get inside that aren't particularly natural or expected. 



My boy has a bb embedded in his palm. It's magnetic.

I love sticking a big magnet to it and making him hold his hand palm down. Or tugging on the magnet in a certain way so it causes him to feel discomfort when the bb shifts around. Kind of out there, but I agree with what you meant by getting inside. I love that the bb is in there and that I can play with it. When he talks about getting it removed, I actually feel sad.


This post was an unexpected surprise, a little gem. :-)

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RE: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before - 2/23/2010 1:59:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		i am sub, and i love Him to be in me, to be taken by Him any way He pleases
but i also love to get inside my Husband... that He should want me to do such dirty things to Him is just delicious

also i love to watch Him eat what i have cooked for Him... especially if the veg have been used for sexual purposes first

And on a mental level when He plays with me and i can see and feel that He is totally into me, i feel i am totally into Him aswell... mind blowingly consuming

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RE: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before - 2/23/2010 6:12:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Gun play. Part mind fuck, part feal fuck. The logical brain knows before and after it isn't loaded, but in the right setting with the right person, the logical brain takes a nap and the fucked brain is in high gear, which makes the physically fucked part much more intense.

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RE: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before - 2/23/2010 7:07:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		I love this whole concept of how deeply he can get inside of me. He does it physically...fisting, toys, drawing blood. He does it mentally at every interaction. He is embedded within my brain and will eventually be embedded within my body by ink, branding and any mark he wants to leave on me. I think if the circumstances were there I'd even have a gps chip implanted. I'm pretty sure there's one somewhere on my truck already. All aspects of my body, brain and possessions are his to play with, examine, torture, love. The deeper he goes...the more in love with him I become.




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