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Ron Paul Exposes the government - 2/23/2010 12:49:31 AM   
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I dont like the title cuz thats not "exactly" what RP said.

However I want to know just for shits n giggles if people here condone what the government has condoned.   See if you can pick it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAHn6zWd0LQ&feature=player_embedded

No I wont write a summary,that is why I posted the speech  DUH!




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RE: Ron Paul Exposes the government - 2/23/2010 9:16:28 AM   
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How about a transcript. This is my business PC and doesn't do videos.

I agree with almost everything Paul stands for except the abortion issue, and if wants to fuck with the Gay marriage thing. In everything else I find him to be spot on.

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RE: Ron Paul Exposes the government - 2/23/2010 10:37:49 AM   
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I watched it and didn't hear him "expose" anything...gotta love the misleading thread titles around here.

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RE: Ron Paul Exposes the government - 2/23/2010 5:41:02 PM   
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quote:

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I watched it and didn't hear him "expose" anything...gotta love the misleading thread titles around here.


so you already knew about that huh?

do you agree with it?




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RE: Ron Paul Exposes the government - 2/23/2010 8:20:43 PM   
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Yup pretty much, and while I don't agree with a lot of his positions, you gotta give the guy credit, he has actual ideas, ideas that might work given half a chance.

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RE: Ron Paul Exposes the government - 2/23/2010 11:29:48 PM   
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Ron Paul writes for the AFP and I read him all the time. He is a good Man and knows alot. But I still have to pick apart his ideas. For example he wants a comprehensive audit of the fed, instead of the cursory looking over their books get once in a while. Yes this is important but what ?

So we audit the fed, find out that everybody is in someone else's pocket and has been screwing the country for what, 80 years ? OK fine, and I believe that it might just be so, and that is what we will find. What the fuck do we do about it ? That money is gone. What can we do, start prosecuting guys in their eighties and shit ? It has been going on for a while you know.

His stance on abortion, he is a perfect candidate for my response. He was a gynecologist, probably has plenty of money. OK for starters adopt every kid that would have been aborted in the state (or country, your choice) of Texas. That would be a start, but don't forget about that prenatal care, Dr. Paul of all people should know the importance of that. Get YOUR fucking wallet out buddy.

Other than those issues, if he was younger I would put my heart and soul into getting him into the big chair. Our disagreements would be OK because he would not be a dictator, that's what balance of power means. And he would have to be a nut trying to legislate via EO on these issues. So all in all, elect him, I am all for it.

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RE: Ron Paul Exposes the government - 2/23/2010 11:52:45 PM   
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quote:

For example he wants a comprehensive audit of the fed, instead of the cursory looking over their books get once in a while. Yes this is important but what ?

So we audit the fed, find out that everybody is in someone else's pocket and has been screwing the country for what, 80 years ? OK fine, and I believe that it might just be so, and that is what we will find. What the fuck do we do about it ? That money is gone. What can we do, start prosecuting guys in their eighties and shit ? It has been going on for a while you know.


I think it's fairly obvious that RP wants a full audit of the FR to justify dismantling their power to create money, and then create a new monetary system.

I'm all for these changes as critical steps towards where we ultimately need to go, but I don't necessarily agree with his desire to create a commodity-based monetary system.

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RE: Ron Paul Exposes the government - 2/24/2010 12:16:54 AM   
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sub, I guess we really agree, just what do we do ? We have lived in the credit system for so long that we have hundreds of years worth of money has been spent, literally. It's like me in a way. I have a shitload of CC debt, and I mean so much that they were stupid to give it to me, but I can pay it. But it can get to the point where everything is maxed out and I have to pay it even though I have no credit to use. That is where this country is heading. The time will come when we can't even afford to pay the interest.

When, not if, but when I take my out, they are screwed and I will have no credit. I will have to rebuild it while in my fifties. The same thing is going to happen to the country. We will default, and again it is not a matter of if, but when. The consequences will kick the shit out of our currency, and cause alot of factors that are actually good for us in the long run, like learning to live within our means.

The fact is that nobody can really reveal much to me, I already know it, I know the consequences and I know what "they" will do when the time comes. It is just a matter of when.

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RE: Ron Paul Exposes the government - 2/24/2010 9:53:31 AM   
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What do we do collectively? That's a good question.

The masses are still seeing illusions and believing in fairy tales. How many people do you personally know that have been able to shake off a lifetime of indoctrination? It's taken me years to get through to some of my close friends. We're dealing with people's egos here.

Dr Paul was spot on, when he asked Bernanke "How are we going to solve the problem of excessive debt... with more debt?"

The whole system needs to be overhauled, from the top on down, but this could never be accomplished overnight. A 180 degree turnaround is extremely unlikely. After all, those at the top have had such a concentration of wealth for so many decades now, that they are deeply entrenched. They've had access to the very best think tanks working on their behalf... not to mention their overwhelming infiltration of government.

I believe Dr Paul fully understands this, and further understands the need to awaken the masses. Exposing the FR for what it truly is may possibly awaken the masses, but would it unite the people as well?

There's no doubt in my mind that the creation of money needs to benefit all the people equally, and not just the very top of the food chain. Why this basic principle is so difficult for the majority to grasp, is beyond me. Nevertheless, this principle is the ball we must learn to hold and eventually run with. It's the first collective step that we need to take. But the collective is still in its infancy... and can't even stand up yet, let alone take its first step.

So the question becomes... what steps can those of us on the lower end of the food chain take, to help awaken and unite the people?




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RE: Ron Paul Exposes the government - 2/24/2010 10:32:46 AM   
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Well, he is for hemp, and I'm for that.

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RE: Ron Paul Exposes the government - 2/24/2010 10:46:47 AM   
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quote:

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Well, he is for hemp, and I'm for that.



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RE: Ron Paul Exposes the government - 2/24/2010 4:45:41 PM   
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quote:

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So we audit the fed, find out that everybody is in someone else's pocket and has been screwing the country for what, 80 years ? OK fine, and I believe that it might just be so, and that is what we will find. What the fuck do we do about it ? That money is gone. What can we do, start prosecuting guys in their eighties and shit ? It has been going on for a while you know.




what other option is there a problem cant be ignored indefinitely, it may seem like a waste of time prosecuting geezers but, they need to have there hands removed from the cookie jar somehow.

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RE: Ron Paul Exposes the government - 2/25/2010 7:11:47 AM   
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FR

Generally seeing support for Ron Paul is a good thing, it demostrates a modicum of common sense. Don't support him because he is OK with pot, that is the least of our worries. The reason most support him is because he demostrates a real respect for the Constsution, and don't kid yourselves, if he was boss there would be some hardship. This is inevitable anyway so it is better to take the hit before we are literally on our death bed.

Very little corporate money goes to Paul, it is from regular folk, and what's more alot of it comes from out of state. What does this imply ? To me it implies that there is noone in their home state worthy of their support. I find that true here in Ohio. But one congressman has as much power as the next, and if we have one on our side it matters not from where he hails.

The problem is that Paul is getting too old for the big chair, and it might be damn hard for him to find a viable and pallatable running mate, which he will need desperately due to his age. Some hope may be found in Rand Paul, his son. If Rand is cut from the same cloth as his Dad, he might just be our Man. He has just tossed his hat into the political arena, I forgot what he is running for, but I could find out later today, or I am sure it is googleable.

I don't have to watch him, AFP will do that. I disagree with that paper on many issues, but some things are more important than others. Like most of the "radical" media in which I imbibe, it is not so much the facts they provide, but the conclusions they draw. Sometimes the solutions they propose are not viable.

For example the comprehensive audit of the fed reveals how they have screwed the US so badly that 200,000,000 sign a petition calling for their beheadment. Fine and good, in fact televise it. But the big question is what comes next ? The general consensus is that the power of money is returned to congress where the Constitution placed it. Oh yeah, like we can trust those leeches.

I think a very viable solution to the major problems here is to make sure all government employees are stuck with the programs and entitlements that they so graciously bestow upon us. In other words no separate health care, retirement and so forth. No more special unattachable bank accounts (remember that scam, with reports of how much in checks they wrote fraudulently, happened about a decade ago). I would also remove their franking priveledges, make them buy stamps like the rest of us (or pay up to Piney Bowes, whichever). In other words, make them live in the environment they so carefully provide for us.

I think such a petiton would have great reponse even among the sheeple. Remember what's been said about picking one's battles ? This one could win. Put their asses on SS like the rest of us, make them buy their own health insurance, or pay their own damn doctor bills. Take away all the priveledge. Sure, still pay them handsomely, but let them see how far a couple hundred grand a year goes to support their lifestyle. I could easily sell this to the densest of soccor Moms. So could everybody.

I have no problem with making money. For a short time I made upwards of a thousand dollars an hour, but of course that was short lived. I think Bell and Edison should have become rich Men. I don't even fault Bill Gates who stole have of what he sells. His edge is figuring out how to get paid for it. For example when he bought DOS, he bought it off a ninny. They didn't get what it was worth. They did not insist on ongoing royalties of any import. Their bad. What he stole was not protected well enough, and what Microshaft really did was to make sure they got paid. What happened later was pure greed.

But why are politicians, once elected pretty much set for life ? I have done alot of good work in my life, and the nature of which is and was beneficial to our economy for the most part. Why couldn't I just serve six years and then retire handsomely, because I think I have done more for this country than any congreeman or senator, and many or even most Presidents. You see when I am successful in my job I keep money here, if I fail it goes overseas. I have alot more detail on that upon request.

So why can't I have bodyguards, the penultimate in free medical care and a pension that can't be beat ? Because the industry cannot support such things. Well I fucking did something positive, they did not.

Anyway, abolishing the fed is not the answer. However extant law seems to indicate that it can be reformed by congress. With the proper degree of regulation, it can still work, although we still have to tighten our belts. That is coming no matter what.

Even Alan Greenspan has admitted folly, that he had too much faith in free market principles. Nice time for a fucking revelation eh ? There have been other times ex politicians and or appointees have found themselves in error, or try to atone for their greed. The question remains, why couldn't they find these errors when they had the power to repair them ? With all I know, there is only one viable conclusion. Greed.

It's an addiction, just like a drug. You are not going to get off of it by taking it every day. Now that Greenspan is out, all the sudden his mind clears. Sound familiar ? Ever know a drug addict ? They either make a fundamental change in their thinking process or it becomes impossible to maintain their lifestyle.

Enough for now. I must get out the hotsauce for breakfast and go to work soon.

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RE: Ron Paul Exposes the government - 2/27/2010 6:18:45 PM   
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ugh you covered a lot of turf there but long story short there never was such a thing as free market ever in history.

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RE: Ron Paul Exposes the government - 2/27/2010 6:57:56 PM   
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RE: Ron Paul Exposes the government - 2/28/2010 10:28:39 PM   
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Old Gold Sacks ? Why not. Making a bank President of this country would limit it's power.

Sacks in 2012 !

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