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Argentinian threats over oil drilling - 2/24/2010 4:37:47 AM   
Aneirin


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Status: offline 		So with news reports that a British oil drilling company has moved a drilling rig to the waters around the Falkland isles, Argentina is starting to make threats again and are calling for other South American countries to blockade their waters against shipping. Now Argentina has long held a claim on the islands and did indeed invade them in 1982 which resulted in British forces going down there to sort them out, since the war, relations had become better, but now, just as a drilling rig is operating down there, the Argentine government has started making threats again, which has angered Falkland islanders ;

http://momento24.com/en/2010/02/18/falkland-islands-inhabitants-furious-at-argentinas-threats/

For a long time since the '82 war many have questioned the need to keep the Falklands as part of Britain and wondered  if the cost was worth it, maintaining the islands which prior to 1982, they didn't bother with, the islands were an expense, as now there is a military prescence there. The discovery and production of oil  down there will be good for the islanders and their economy and ultimately good for Britain's econmomic interests, whatever that is taken to mean these days, so the Falkands now have a use. But since the drilling rig took up a position down there, Argentina has again started making noises, could it be the '82 war is to be repeated again, are we heading for further conflict over seas ?

Oh yes, and on a side note, will the US be supporting Britain in this, our quest to secure oil, whereas if I remember correctly, the US would not get involved back in '82


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RE: Argentinian threats over oil drilling - 2/24/2010 7:08:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Get involved in the affairs of foreigners and people bitch about it.  Don’t get involved in the affairs of foreigners and people still bitch about it.  There is just no winning with some of you people is there? 

Actually, while the U.S. didn’t get directly involved it did get involved behind the scenes, giving Britain intelligence info and such.  I recall newscasts about the Argentines bitching about the U.S. giving satellite photos to the Brits.

The solution to the Falklands problem is really quite simple – put it to a vote.  Give the people of the Falklands three choices:


Maintain the status quo. 
Join Argentina.
Become independent (although some military alliance with Britain would probably have to be maintained to keep the Argentines out).   

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RE: Argentinian threats over oil drilling - 2/24/2010 11:00:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think the UK can afford another war at the moment, it is a good time to invade therefore.

Actually the UK can't afford anything but perhaps those floating stealth ships will get some use. Stealthships? Oh where did that come from? I didn't see it a minute ago on the horizon when it was heading towards us at the breakneck speed of 5 mph.

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RE: Argentinian threats over oil drilling - 2/24/2010 11:25:42 AM   
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RE: Argentinian threats over oil drilling - 2/24/2010 1:08:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is there an oil industry geologist in the house who can explain why, if there is oil in/around the Falklands, there shouldnt be oil a little further west where the already extremely wealthy descendants of conquistadores and other Spanish settlers currently inhabiting, running and owning Argentina might add to their stockpiles of cash by drilling for themselves? We have plenty of know-how we can offer, and at a discount considering the North Sea oil is running out.

The rigs cost £200,000-00 a day. They have had to be moved halfway round the world and now will spend time doing exploration before (upon failure) being moved halfway back the other way. We are therefore already in for several hundred million quid if this all comes to nothing - will the Argentine government (the wealthy descendants referred to above - the same people who sent little boy conscripts to face the best armed forces in the world in 82 but rarely any of their own), put in for 50% of the investment into this exploration? I'm sure that the directors of the companies doing all this would be glad of the investment and happy to share the spoils of success or the losses of failure.

Oh, and then there's the opportunity for Argentina in all this to benefit from processing and shipping the finished products, which you wouldnt really want to do on the Falklands what with the weather and environment to consider, not to mention the lucrative supply of goods and services to the oil fields from what is the nearest suitable country and the exports that the newly wealthy Falklanders will want to buy. Oh and that handy supply of waste gas, straight down a pipe into your home in chilly Patagonia.

In short, if the Argentines (or rather their wealthy rulers) would drop this crap (and indeed had dropped it long ago) they might be able to share in all this, without having to paint themselves into a corner where they cant get out without looking daft. Anyone for cutting the bottom out of Argentine sovereign debt markets PDQ? Surely theyve learned by now that however wealthy and powerful they are, the City of London is in control in Buenos Aires.

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RE: Argentinian threats over oil drilling - 2/24/2010 5:08:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had considered the benefit to the Argentines if they were a little more amicable on this matter, they could reap good dividends if they had a different mind, but of course those that rule Argentina are plain stupid, for they prefer to make threatening noises instead of looking for where their country may benefit, or is it a case of if they do not benefit personally, they are not interested in the country beyond ruling it.

If oil is found in useful quantities down there, it could benefit many, but what is it with Argentina, why the hell do they want the falklands, as before this, just what did the falklands have that was so important to the Argies.

I have since '82 spoken to many who fought down there and heard so many times how the Argentine fighting force was pitiful compared to what they came up against, it was so wrong of the Argentine rulers to send such people to fight one of the best fighting forces in the world for a bunch of barren islands with nothing more than penguins and sheep available as possible commodities, the people there, so few are hardly going to enrich the Argentine coffers with the taxes they will demand. I see this current threatening posture as nothing but posturing, perhaps they wish to be seen as a big man in the world once again.

If oil is found in useful quantities, the Argies can kiss goodbye to ever having those lands for themselves, but I ask again, wtf do they want them for.


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RE: Argentinian threats over oil drilling - 2/24/2010 7:28:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder how the neocons feel about the Monroe Doctrine.


Or more pointedly, if it was China or Russia doing the drilling.


But as for my own view, this is between Argentina and the UK.

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RE: Argentinian threats over oil drilling - 2/25/2010 8:21:15 AM   
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RE: Argentinian threats over oil drilling - 2/25/2010 8:34:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
Oh yes, and on a side note, will the US be supporting Britain in this, our quest to secure oil, whereas if I remember correctly, the US would not get involved back in '82


as a subcorp of the crown what choice is there?


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RE: Argentinian threats over oil drilling - 2/25/2010 8:38:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

Well then none of the nation building contracts will be awarded to you after the war is complete.



why arent you protecting that information like 911?

Think its to far out for anyone to believe maybe?








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RE: Argentinian threats over oil drilling - 2/25/2010 9:38:14 AM   
SL4V3M4YB3


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Status: offline 		I want to build a super casino on that tiny island but local objections to planning permission have forced my hand, war is the only way forward.

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RE: Argentinian threats over oil drilling - 2/25/2010 10:55:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

Well then none of the nation building contracts will be awarded to you after the war is complete.



why arent you protecting that information like 911?

Think its to far out for anyone to believe maybe?








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RE: Argentinian threats over oil drilling - 2/25/2010 11:27:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Aneirin, it's really not worth it. You guys will *still* be paying $6 or $7 (U.S.) for a gallon of petrol.

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RE: Argentinian threats over oil drilling - 2/25/2010 3:47:54 PM   
Aneirin


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Status: offline 		Yeah, most likely that is until the British public wake up and get fed up  with the amount of tax that is being paid into government coffers everytime we tank up, for what, the roads are largely congested and full of holes, for it is the tax on the stuff that makes it as expensive as it is.

The lowest price for unleaded in my town is £1.08 a litre, 56.19 pence of that is tax.

http://www.petrolprices.com/fuel-tax.html

http://www.speedlimit.org.uk/petrolprices.html

and that tax is used by the government for general spending, vehicle owners more than any other group are seen as the cash cow by the government. But what the government have yet to understand is they are in that position by public vote and what the public have yet to wake up and understand, is we don't need to take this shit from the bastards, we elected them, we can by voting elect someone who has not forgotten their status and actually represents us, if they fail, bye bye simple as that.

That is why everyone who is eligible to vote must vote, even if it is to spoil their voting slip, as that is seen as a vote that was lost, just to let the bastards know we are here, and none of you represent us, start sorting it out or there are big changes coming, just as soon as  a leader is found who speaks our language and by us they will represent us.


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RE: Argentinian threats over oil drilling - 2/27/2010 10:54:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		We wont wake up until Mr Murdoch says so and the City would like us to.

We wont get any change in politics or government until we either have PR or the BNP gets a couple of MPs. But voting Lib Dem is a wasted vote and voting BNP is for retards - Mr Murdoch told you so and the City will punish you if you defy with oppressive interest charges to demonstrate to you what a mistake you made so you dont do it again.

In the meantime, understand that politics and government is way over your head and voting at all is pointless; our rulers like it that way as they can govern unhindered by such technicalities as less than 40% popular support.

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