BDSM As Divorce Court Weapon

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Mercnbeth -> BDSM As Divorce Court Weapon (2/25/2010 7:40:37 AM)
Fetish diva Morgan Page seeks subjects to submit to her whims! Do you have what it takes to undertake her desires?" the posting reads. "Sensuously sadistic . . . she can get into your psyche. A master at roleplay. Gentle if needed, harder if required. You need it -- she knows it, try to resist. YOU WON'T . . . SHE KNOWS!" Responded to that ad? You may just be called in as a witness for a big divorce case in NYC. An attorney by day and an on-line dominatrix by night for some extra cash. Hey - times are tough all over, even an attorney needs to moonlight. Court filings allege that Baron not only advertised herself as a dominatrix, but proposed having sex for pay with private investigators Suissa hired to help him evict her from the sprawling home. "She's running an Internet sex business as a dominatrix and a prostitute out of my home," Suissa fumed. Of course, that's the ex-husband's side of the argument. Her view, as represented by her attorney is similar to many needing someone they are not getting from their spouse and/or partner. She's simply seeking companionship in an alternative lifestyle. There is clearly no solicitation of any kind," he said. The going rate for the Lawyer / Hooker / Dominatrix is $200-275/session. I think she needs help with pricing. According to the article she'll have sex for $200, but charges $275 to put on a show of masturbation. Hell - I wish my lawyer charged that little, or at least let me flog her or something for her $400/hour billing fee. Amazing how those "understanding" spouses, who can't fulfill their needs, agree to let their partners experience and enjoy their BDSM fantasy with someone else; then use that against them when the ultimate divorce occurs. Great strategy come to think of it. Public exposure, lose of career, a defensive position at a divorce settlement; somehow that "understanding" spouse becomes something else when divorce settlement property and money is on the line. In the old days, any reference to a homosexual experience was the 'nuclear bomb' threat to drop when a couple broke up. Now it seems BDSM has replaced it. However, maybe it's good news. Think about it, now homosexuality is a relative non-issue and same sex couples can walk hand in hand. Maybe 20 years from now - walking your partner at the end of a leash will be a similar non-issue. Until then - if you get your spouses 'permission' to go outside the marriage - get it in writing! Oh and have it notarized or reviewed by your lawyer. I'd suggest booking and bringing it to a session with Dominatrix Morgan Page; cheaper, I'd bet, than seeing her as Morgan Page -Attorney at Law!

juliaoceania -> RE: BDSM As Divorce Court Weapon (2/25/2010 8:23:49 AM)
It is she said he said... The laws concerning this vary from state to state, as you know.... I think that cases like this really highlight the need for no fault divorces. For all any of us know she is a cheater, we have nothing to base any conclusion on. Being alt is not an excuse to cheat.

Vendaval -> RE: BDSM As Divorce Court Weapon (2/27/2010 2:24:48 AM)
So what's the difference between lawyers and hookers again? Is it just about lube vrs no lube? [8D]

theGuideGoddess -> RE: BDSM As Divorce Court Weapon (3/1/2010 6:34:47 AM)
Yah.....lube vs. no lube that is the difference! Interesting it is a HUGE issue for those involved and can really shuts down a lot of people and stir up a lot of problems. In custody it can make/break the ability of the Judge to even listen. Last May when the ex's attorney brought this up the Judge cut the whole hearing short with the statement: "I refuse to hear this case." Exact quote. Not what do the children know about this? How did her private life become so publicized and why? Unfortunately for me my mouse of an attorney who was charging the no lube prices was meek and inept once inside the court room. It is my belief that she should have declined to accept the case knowing full well that this issue would be brought to light, and she was uncomfortable with it. That's okay...I'm in pro-per and winning now. Gets the ex's goat that he can't speak in court......just as it has gotten mine all these painful years of living through his abuse. My lime light came when a life long bff of my dd was murdered by her abusive husband and someone posted thinking they had seen her at a lifestyle event. Well....if it came down to finding my girl I really didn't give two shits about being ousted! Subpoenaed to testify on behalf of the murderer I was a less than ideal witness. I even agreed to be interviewed by dateline in an effort to keep the limelight on the abuse that had taken place in THAT relationship. That at a time was when I was deluded to imagine that the law would be accepting of the fact that all of my life to and since that point the subject had been very private regarding my personal proclivities. Due to imaginations that there is one single definition many feel very uncomfortable because they just really don't know wiiwd. Within this community the vastness of difference between individuals and their proclivities is broader than night and day. Many immediately assume it is all about sex. For some it is, but not for everyone! I don't believe it should be given an salt or weight in a divorce settlement. If the children aren't aware then it shouldn't bear weight in custody matters either. Challenges make you discover things about yourself that you never really knew. They're what make the instrument stretch: what make you go beyond the norm.

thepillowdreamer -> RE: BDSM As Divorce Court Weapon (3/1/2010 7:15:25 AM)
ugh, war of the roses divorces. i can see both sides of it, though. i mean, if the case was infidelity, anyway. either way, i feel bad for that woman (never thought i'd feel empathy for a lawyer) because this is so publicized. she was stupid enough to put herself out there and sell herself, and she's getting pwn'd because of it, but still. how embarrassing. quote: My lime light came when a life long bff of my dd was murdered by her abusive husband and someone posted thinking they had seen her at a lifestyle event. Well....if it came down to finding my girl I really didn't give two shits about being ousted! Subpoenaed to testify on behalf of the murderer I was a less than ideal witness. I even agreed to be interviewed by dateline in an effort to keep the limelight on the abuse that had taken place in THAT relationship. -essentially making you a bdsm superhero. i'm sure the public at large didn't appreciate how brave that shit was, outside the whole testifying at a murder trial thing, but still. dang. quote: Many immediately assume it is all about sex. For some it is, but not for everyone! this. quote: I don't believe it should be given an salt or weight in a divorce settlement. If the children aren't aware then it shouldn't bear weight in custody matters either. what kid wants to know about their parent's sex life, and what parent wants their kid to know about it? excluding molestation accusations in the dissolution of a marriage (which also pop up in divorce cases; grasping for straws and all that), a judge should fucking know better. buuut they don't. god knows why, because you know they prolly have fubar sex lives, but most just assume that if the marital bed wasn't missionary, man on top, then you must be a deranged person. and god forbid if you're married and a working dominatrix; even if your husband knows and consents the entire fucking time.

TazDevil -> RE: BDSM As Divorce Court Weapon (3/1/2010 11:25:45 AM)
well that seem rather odd

domiguy -> RE: BDSM As Divorce Court Weapon (3/1/2010 9:25:06 PM)
But there are zoning laws...I doubt you can run a banging dominatrix business right "smack" in the middle of a residential neighborhood. Common sense.

smilezz -> RE: BDSM As Divorce Court Weapon (3/2/2010 4:40:34 AM)
Wait a minunte.....................there's lube involved?? [sm=passthelube.gif]

theGuideGoddess -> RE: BDSM As Divorce Court Weapon (3/2/2010 5:04:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: smilezz Wait a minunte.....................there's lube involved?? [sm=passthelube.gif] You realize that will be extra. [sm=domme.gif]

domiguy -> RE: BDSM As Divorce Court Weapon (3/2/2010 6:22:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: theGuideGoddess quote: ORIGINAL: smilezz Wait a minunte.....................there's lube involved?? [sm=passthelube.gif] You realize that will be extra. [sm=domme.gif] I'm sure everything having to do with you carries a significant charge. There is a sale on GuideGoddess' at Target.

afkarr -> RE: BDSM As Divorce Court Weapon (3/2/2010 9:08:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy quote: ORIGINAL: theGuideGoddess quote: ORIGINAL: smilezz Wait a minunte.....................there's lube involved?? [sm=passthelube.gif] You realize that will be extra. [sm=domme.gif] I'm sure everything having to do with you carries a significant charge. There is a sale on GuideGoddess' at Target. psst* hey domi, i can get you industrial grade A lube in convienent single serving size packages at a fraction of the GG price...see if you can get a discount from her for bringing your own [8D]

theGuideGoddess -> RE: BDSM As Divorce Court Weapon (3/2/2010 7:01:27 PM)
[/quote] You realize that will be extra. [sm=domme.gif] [/quote] I'm sure everything having to do with you carries a significant charge. There is a sale on GuideGoddess' at Target. [/quote] Clearly you are a lost and confused soul. I do hope you find what you need over there at Target. You MAY find the Goddess Guide, but I assure you you will not find The Guide Goddess.

dove967 -> RE: BDSM As Divorce Court Weapon (3/13/2010 2:30:50 PM)
I have to reply to this. From my personal experience here in Texas. I divorced my then husband and father of our 2 children 8 yrs ago. My reasons for asking for the divorce were because of 14yrs of verbal and emotional abuse, not, BDSM. But, because I had just started to explore the lifestyle over the internet, there was an unending supply of evidence to the contrary. Now, understand, I DID NOT participate in any functions. Never met up with anyonce. There was no activity outside the marriage at all! Sexual or otherwise. But, my ex did a data mine and printed off a reams worth of paper about every website, every message board, every email I ever posted and with the help of a bulldog bitch attorney with a hard on for father's rights managed to get custody of our two children, the family home , and destroy the daycare business I had in that home. The judge did not lay here eyes on a single page of evidence. She couldn't. It would be hearsay. But, that was not his lawyers strategy. Just planting the idea like a little seed in fertile soil was enough to distract the judge from the real issues of abuse and make ME the pervert and HIM the better parent. Now, he was never a poor father, just uninvolved and inexperienced-I can't count on one hand the number of diapers he changed between our two children. But, he was an abusive husband! One tiny reference to an alternative lifestyle made this abuser the perferred parent in the eyes of the court. In essence, one doesn't even need evidence of ANY activity outside the marriage. Just the allusion to one-and if it's involving BDSM, well, you see the results! At least in my situation. I hope things turn out differently for others.

BeachMystress -> RE: BDSM As Divorce Court Weapon (3/17/2010 8:59:03 PM)
We have a local woman having problems with this.. She wants out of the relationship but he has photos of her in fetish outfits. (Not playing, but pretty darned "racy.") She deleted all of her profiles on all sites and is trying to keep her head down. But be it tomorrow or five years from now, he's still got those photos stored away. BTW, It's not the divorce that's the problem. It's the child custody (6 yr old.)

MsVengeange -> RE: BDSM As Divorce Court Weapon (3/22/2010 11:28:15 AM)
No, you can not. Especially in Orange County, NY. I had a Judge relay a message thru a mutual friend that I should move Myself, my family & stable, and my "Dominatrix business" from the City to the Town. The City has zoning laws that prohibit even strip clubs, GLBTQ clubs, etc. within City Limits. The Zoning Laws of each city/town/county vary. Contact your local Government seat to find out exactly what is allowed and what is not. quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy But there are zoning laws...I doubt you can run a banging dominatrix business right "smack" in the middle of a residential neighborhood. Common sense.

cloudboy -> RE: BDSM As Divorce Court Weapon (3/22/2010 2:31:25 PM)
quote: Amazing how those "understanding" spouses, who can't fulfill their needs, agree to let their partners experience and enjoy their BDSM fantasy with someone else; then use that against them when the ultimate divorce occurs. Great strategy come to think of it. Public exposure, lose of career, a defensive position at a divorce settlement; somehow that "understanding" spouse becomes something else when divorce settlement property and money is on the line. This is an interesting, fun, topical email -- but if I had one criticism -- it is your smug tone about (above) marriage with its implied criticism of how stupid other -- not-so-well-suited-for-each-other couples are. I think your attitude might come from your own very satisfying marriage which probably makes you think, "why would anyone settle into anything less than uber compatibility." Next, I didn't see where you could draw the inference that the couple made an agreement about an open marriage. Looks like the husband had to find out about this after the fact and was pissed off that he did not know what was happening -- and that he wanted it to stop taking place in his home. (Not exactly an unreasonable position.) Frankly, my hopes are a lot lower than "soul mates for life," rather I just hope that marrieds through thick and thin remain people who can fight fairly and show some consideration beyond their own hurt feelings and self interest. Worse than playing the BDSM card is the angry spouse using a child as a pawn or weapon in divorce proceedings. So, off my own high horse, I must say this cracked me up immensely, "Baron could not be reached for comment yesterday."

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