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Different Mindsets: Conservatives v. Liberals - 2/25/2010 10:59:02 AM   
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The fundamental difference between liberals and conservatives is in our mindsets, and longtime Baltimore Sun Reporter, Jack Germond, had this way of summing it up:

It isn’t difficult to see why conservatives dominate the talk shows and the little magazines – it’s called moral certitude. They are so sure not only that they are right but that their opponents are wrong and, in many cases, morally corrupt. For some reason lost on me, the rise of conservatism has come hand in hand with an increase in the number of journalists who have gone public with their religious fundamentalism.

The nature of the debate among the politicians has followed a parallel course. In the days of Barry Goldwater, his admirers believed that the progressive Republicans who follow Nelson Rockefeller were wrong on the issues but still Republicans entitled to be heard within the party. These days the noisiest leaders of the far right – the Quayles, Dick Armeys, Newt Gingriches, Tom DeLays--- seem to believe liberal political opponents have no “family values.”

We are treated to Senator Rick Santorum of Penn. Braying about how “evil” had been cleansed from the Senate when a bill restricting abortion passed. It has never been made clear who chose any of these people as moral arbiters for our society. (Equally puzzling is how the voters of Penn. Experiences a mass dizzy spell on no just one but two election days, when they chose and then reelected Santorum.)

On the other hand, liberals by definition seem less positive about the rightness of their positions. Their ethic includes tolerance of other views, something that does not burden the Limbaughs or Santorums of the world. The difference is apparent, for example, in the language used to identify the two sides in the abortion rights debate. The conservative are “pro-life” and the liberals “pro choice,” a term that can imply a somewhat wishy washy lack of certitude.

Whatever the reason, it has become clear that there is little demand for liberal talk show hosts, on either radio or television. The listeners and viewers and many newspaper readers, as well, apparently want strong guidance in their lives. And what they don’t want is someone telling them all about how on the one hand we have so-and-so, on the other we have such-and-such. There is, in short, no market for thoughtful agonizing over issues.



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RE: Different Mindsets: Conservatives v. Liberals - 2/25/2010 11:04:10 AM   
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I don't think that argument even comes close to working if people are going to argue that Obama or Clinton are liberals.
Jimmy Carter you could maybe see their point.

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RE: Different Mindsets: Conservatives v. Liberals - 2/25/2010 11:22:51 AM   
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That's why the smarter people are Independants. Who in their right mind would want to be locked into an "either/or" type of thinking?
We need to be electing "managers" not "politicians."

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RE: Different Mindsets: Conservatives v. Liberals - 2/25/2010 11:24:45 AM   
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On the other hand, liberals by definition seem less positive about the rightness of their positions.


I didn't realize the 'global warming' religion was dominated by conservatives!

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RE: Different Mindsets: Conservatives v. Liberals - 2/25/2010 11:27:25 AM   
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That's why the smarter people are Independants. Who in their right mind would want to be locked into an "either/or" type of thinking?
We need to be electing "managers" not "politicians."

You've yet to explain how an independant who acts exactly like a conservative in every case where they're offered a choice differs from a conservative, haven't you?
Still, Rush Limbaugh hasn't addressed that one either, yet.

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RE: Different Mindsets: Conservatives v. Liberals - 2/25/2010 11:35:32 AM   
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I don't think that argument even comes close to working if people are going to argue that Obama or Clinton are liberals.
Jimmy Carter you could maybe see their point.

Niether Clinton nor Obama governed as liberals no matter what their personal beliefs.

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RE: Different Mindsets: Conservatives v. Liberals - 2/25/2010 11:40:06 AM   
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I don't think that argument even comes close to working if people are going to argue that Obama or Clinton are liberals.
Jimmy Carter you could maybe see their point.

Niether Clinton nor Obama governed as liberals no matter what their personal beliefs.

I was thinking more of the conservative's conviction that everybody who isn't a Republican is a liberal, rather than their behaviour. In both cases we have a pretty hard right president being written about as though he's John Wilkes, don't we?

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RE: Different Mindsets: Conservatives v. Liberals - 2/25/2010 11:46:30 AM   
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Moon, I'm for Gay Marriage, legalizing marijuana, healthcare for all, a woman's right to choose.
Are those "conservative" positions in your mind?

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RE: Different Mindsets: Conservatives v. Liberals - 2/25/2010 11:56:17 AM   
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I don't think that argument even comes close to working if people are going to argue that Obama or Clinton are liberals.
Jimmy Carter you could maybe see their point.

Niether Clinton nor Obama governed as liberals no matter what their personal beliefs.

I was thinking more of the conservative's conviction that everybody who isn't a Republican is a liberal, rather than their behaviour. In both cases we have a pretty hard right president being written about as though he's John Wilkes, don't we?

I'd describe clinton as center right and Obama as center left for all that it matters.

I know Goldwater would find far more in common with the fiscally conservative Clinton than the socially conservative sorts that now dominate the GOP.

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RE: Different Mindsets: Conservatives v. Liberals - 2/25/2010 12:01:54 PM   
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Moon, I'm for Gay Marriage, legalizing marijuana, healthcare for all, a woman's right to choose.
Are those "conservative" positions in your mind?

Positively reactionary, yes. I'm one of these decadent Marxist Eurotrash sorts, remember?

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RE: Different Mindsets: Conservatives v. Liberals - 2/25/2010 12:11:47 PM   
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Moon, I'm for Gay Marriage, legalizing marijuana, healthcare for all, a woman's right to choose.
Are those "conservative" positions in your mind?

Positively reactionary, yes. I'm one of these decadent Marxist Eurotrash sorts, remember?



Not having met you in person I wouldn't know that would I?
I'm also European, I have dual U.S. / Irish citizenship.
And how are my opinions, "reactionary?"

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RE: Different Mindsets: Conservatives v. Liberals - 2/25/2010 12:35:29 PM   
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I'll use a smiley when I'm joking in future.

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RE: Different Mindsets: Conservatives v. Liberals - 2/25/2010 1:58:06 PM   
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Looking at this thread, I've decided that I miss Meatcleaver and Caitlyn.

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RE: Different Mindsets: Conservatives v. Liberals - 2/25/2010 4:55:52 PM   
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They are so sure not only that they are right but that their opponents are wrong and, in many cases, morally corrupt.


Don't you know that you're supposed to do all that dirty stuff, like being gay and getting abortions, in secret? And if discovered, you're supposed to deny everything. Either that or get on national television and beg for forgiveness. That makes everything ok, including pedophilia.

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RE: Different Mindsets: Conservatives v. Liberals - 2/25/2010 5:02:24 PM   
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I miss caitlyn.

Have you ever noticed that the conservatives are the most socially inept group on CM?

Thank God, Merc chimed in about Global Warming just to combat the point of the story....lol

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RE: Different Mindsets: Conservatives v. Liberals - 2/25/2010 5:20:22 PM   
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The differences are easy to see, the conservatives want to tax the poor and lower middle class and give tax breaks to the upper middle class and wealthy, they do not want everyone to have health care, and they like to block anything that would allow the poor and middle class to catch a break.

Liberals are for the poor and middle class, want to tax the wealthy, want everyone to have health care.

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RE: Different Mindsets: Conservatives v. Liberals - 2/25/2010 5:41:32 PM   
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Well, we have different outlooks.  From there, it's a giant crock of shit.

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RE: Different Mindsets: Conservatives v. Liberals - 2/25/2010 6:08:30 PM   
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I miss mons.

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RE: Different Mindsets: Conservatives v. Liberals - 2/25/2010 6:10:40 PM   
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Of Venus?

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RE: Different Mindsets: Conservatives v. Liberals - 2/25/2010 6:37:19 PM   
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I miss caitlyn.



Me too. She hated me. It was so stimulating.

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Have you ever noticed that the conservatives are the most socially inept group on CM?



Conservatives screw just like you and me. How retrograde of you to argue otherwise! You're such a racist, domiguy.

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Thank God, Merc chimed in about Global Warming just to combat the point of the story....lol



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