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RE: Liberals prefer a lighter skinned Obama - 2/26/2010 5:32:32 PM   
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Don't sweat it Lucy...either Firm or Sanity will notify us once the results are in (especially if it can somehow be slanted to show "liberals" in a less than flattering light)


Now why on earth would you think that anyone here on CM would do something even remotely like that?  I'd be ashamed to even participate on any forum where the members were so petty and childish as to resort to insulting another political persuasion by talking about their penis size... 

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RE: Liberals prefer a lighter skinned Obama - 2/26/2010 5:39:02 PM   
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Well sex wise the conservatives are obviously about preserving history, whilst liberals are open to new methods of sex beyond that of the missionary position.

Seems logical to me, there are distinct mindsets in life. Probably those conservatives like to set an appointment on Wednesday afternooneys for marital privileges.


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RE: Liberals prefer a lighter skinned Obama - 2/26/2010 5:49:46 PM   
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Don't sweat it Lucy...either Firm or Sanity will notify us once the results are in (especially if it can somehow be slanted to show "liberals" in a less than flattering light)


Now why on earth would you think that anyone here on CM would do something even remotely like that?  I'd be ashamed to even participate on any forum where the members were so petty and childish as to resort to insulting another political persuasion by talking about their penis size... 



I agree wholeheartedly!

And there really is no point in such a crude debate since it is a well-established scientific fact that liberals have huge penises.

Of course that is no justification for insulting conservatives' tiny little pee-pees.

That's why I try to rise above such discussions.

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RE: Liberals prefer a lighter skinned Obama - 2/26/2010 6:10:04 PM   
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from the sublime to the bloody ridiculous
I see dick waving and chest thumping in much less sexual topics,
goes back to colouring on the walls
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RE: Liberals prefer a lighter skinned Obama - 2/26/2010 6:23:25 PM   
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This is absurd....anyone with a smidgen of any sense at all knows that 6'1" Irish liberals have the biggest dicks.....while conservatives claiming to be Sane have the tiniest little pee-pees sheesh,do I have to explain everything to you people

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RE: Liberals prefer a lighter skinned Obama - 2/26/2010 6:55:28 PM   
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News
Liberals prefer a lighter skinned Obama, study says
By Bonnie Davis
4:30 PM on 11/23/2009

When given a choice between a photo of a lighter-skinned version of Barack Obama versus a darker-skinned version, most voters who consider themselves Democrats last year selected the lighter version.

That's what research set to be published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of the Sciences found after surveying voters before and after the 2008 presidential election.

The survey of nearly 400 voters in Chicago and at Arizona and Florida State universities sought to determine how different people "see the world" and what effect, if any, skin color plays in one's personal or group politics, says Emily Balcetis, one of the researchers. A focal point was Obama's position as "racially ambiguous" or biracial.

"We showed participants several different photos of Barack Obama, and asked them to rate how well each photo represented who he really is," Balcetis says, explaining the research methodology. "Unbeknownst to participants, we altered some of the photos to make the candidate's skin tone lighter, and some to make the candidate's skin tone darker, than it was in the original photograph."

One of the researchers, Eugene Caruso of the University of Chicago, discovered that participants whose partisanship was the same as that of the candidate "consistently rated the lightened photographs as more representative of the candidate than the darkened photographs, whereas participants whose partisanship did not match that of the candidate showed the opposite pattern."

What kind of conclusions can we draw from this?

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For starters, we can conclude that the reporter is dishonest.

This story is two months old (I heard it on NPR when it was first reported). The study is entirely college students--yes, voters, but a gratuitous shift of nouns. Let's add that college students are frequently clueless about what's going on in the world and where they stand in it ideologically. The study also showed a single person--Barack Obama, while they guessed which photo was correct. Why not a range of black politicians, including conservatives--Colin Powell, Connie Rice, for example, to get a much better basis?

Then, the study noted the correlation. They did not pursue it to isolate it for study. Consequently, it could mean quite a few things--that they have different perceptions of black people generally, or of Barack Obama--i.e., is this a racial bias rather than a political one? Who knows---they didn't test for that.

So all we really have (as Caruso noted in the report I heard) is this correspondence. The interpretation added was the reporter's. What the study knows is that this happened, with a single person, and they don't know why--as they didn't study that (and easily could have).

Science reporting at its worst, perhaps political opportunism.



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RE: Liberals prefer a lighter skinned Obama - 2/26/2010 9:51:46 PM   
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What kind of conclusions can we draw from this?

Firm


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RE: Liberals prefer a lighter skinned Obama - 2/26/2010 9:59:33 PM   
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Well this has been an issue for a long time now. There was debates about it back in 1977! Here is a transcript of one.

Black Perspective

.....Garrett Morris
.....Julian Bond


Garrett Morris: Good evening, and welcome to "Black Perspective". I'm your host, Garrett Morris. Tonight our guest is Mr. Julian Bond, and we'll be talking about the myths surrounding black I.Q. Specifically, the myth that whites are inherently more intelligent than blacks.

Julian Bond: Good evening, Garrett.

Garrett Morris: Now, Julian, perhaps you could explain something to me. In all these studies comparing black I.Q. to white I.Q., what kind of test is used to measure I.Q.'s in the first place?

Julian Bond: Well, this is the major problem with these studies. The measurements of I.Q. which form the basis of comparison come from tests composed by whites for whites. The tests are culturally biased; it's not surprising that whites would score better than blacks.

Garrett Morris: Could you give us an example of what you're talking about?

Julian Bond: Certainly. Here are some questions that have appeared on recent I.Q. tests. Number one: "You have been invited over for cocktails by the officer of your trust fund. Cocktails begin at 4:30, but you must make an appearance at a 6:00 formal dinner at the Yacht Club. What do you do about dress?
A. Wear your blue-striped seersucker suit to cocktails and change into your tuxedo in the bathroom, apologizing to your host for the inconvenience.
B. Wear your tuxedo to cocktails, apologizing to your host for wearing a dinner jacket before 6:00 PM.
C. Walk to the subway at Columbus Circle and take the "A" Train uptown."

Garrett Morris: Uh.. I guess I'd choose the last one.

Julian Bond: I'm sorry, that's incorrect.

Garrett Morris: Damn.

Julian Bond: Here's another: "When waxing your skis for a cross-country run, you should..."

Garrett Morris: [ interrupting ] Well, I think I understand the problem with the tests. But the fact is that people have been saying that white people are smarter than black for hundreds of years. We've only had I.Q. tests for 20 or 30 years. How did the idea of white intellectual superiority originate?

Julian Bond: That's an interesting point. My theory is that it's based on the fact that light-skinned blacks are smarter than dark-skinned blacks.

Garrett Morris: [ not sure he heard that right ] Say what?

Julian Bond: I said I think it might have grown out of the observation that light-skinned blacks are smarter than dark-skinned blacks.

Garrett Morris: I don't get it.

Julian Bond: It's got nothing to do with having white blood. It's just that descendants of the lighter-skinned African tribes are more intelligent than the descendants of the darker-skinned tribes. Everybody knows that.

Garrett Morris: This is the first time I've heard of it.

Julian Bond: Seriously? It was proven a long time ago.

Garrett Morris: Well, I still don't quite understand. We're out of time right now, but perhaps you could come back on the show again and explain it further.

Julian Bond: There's very little to explain - it's just like I told you.

Garrett Morris: Well, we are out of time. Good night. [ to Julian ] If you could repeat it just once more...

[ pull out, with SUPER: "It's 1977 -- Do You Know Where Your Children Are?" ]

[ fade ]



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RE: Liberals prefer a lighter skinned Obama - 2/26/2010 10:28:56 PM   
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LOL,Thanks Angelika that was funny stuff....whatever happened to Garrett Morris,why did all the lighter and whiter(and I guess smarter) members of that particular class of SNL alumni go on to bigger and better things while poor dark skinned Garrett simply shuffled off to relative anonymity?

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RE: Liberals prefer a lighter skinned Obama - 2/26/2010 10:31:33 PM   
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Looks like our friend Garrett is still kicking up cameos at the age of 73!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_Morris#Later_life_and_career

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RE: Liberals prefer a lighter skinned Obama - 2/26/2010 10:37:06 PM   
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I did say relative anonymity....the point being if he was lighter....his profile  would not be so under the radar,a lighter Garrett Morris would be a less threatening Garrett Morris....therefore a brighter future would have been his.I really can't make this any clearer !

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RE: Liberals prefer a lighter skinned Obama - 2/26/2010 10:39:21 PM   
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He would have benefited from seeing Michael Jackson's dermatologist...

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RE: Liberals prefer a lighter skinned Obama - 2/26/2010 10:43:08 PM   
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Yes,but getting Dr referrals from Michael would probably have meant he would never have reached the ripe old age of 73...and counting.

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RE: Liberals prefer a lighter skinned Obama - 2/26/2010 11:20:58 PM   
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We can conclude that in spite of their protests to the contrary many people still judge others by the color of their skin instead of the content of their character.

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RE: Liberals prefer a lighter skinned Obama - 2/26/2010 11:34:36 PM   
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Can we? As a result of this study?...Seems concluding anything from this little study would be foolish....Now I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you...I'm just not so sure that we can make that assumption bbased on this silly little study?

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RE: Liberals prefer a lighter skinned Obama - 2/26/2010 11:43:15 PM   
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What kind of conclusions can we draw from this?

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I don't think it's enough to draw firm conclusions from. It's definately interesting and the possible implications are disturbing. I would like to see the altered photos myself and I'd like to see similiar studies done with pretend bios to see if skin color outweighs political stance.

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RE: Liberals prefer a lighter skinned Obama - 2/27/2010 1:11:44 AM   
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Fast Reply -

The results reflect a common attitude in mainstream American society.  Lighter skinned minority individuals, Black, Latino, Asian, Native American, etc.  usually have less resistance being accepted into higher levels of the mainstream White society than those with darker skin.

The term "hierarchy of color" applies in this situation.


Saving Face? Colorism, Colonialism, and Sammy Sosa By Adia Harvey Wingfield

"Scholars have long documented that in the U.S., particularly among black Americans, a color hierarchy is one of the vestiges of institutionalized racial inequality and a slave system that rewarded white slave owners for raping black women slaves. Under the slave system, children followed the status of the mother. Thus, white slave owners could actually increase their profits by fathering children with slave women, a process which often came about through forcible rape. In some cases (but not all), the children of these unions were favored by white men.  On rare occasions, they even went so far as to free these children or treat them in a completely humane fashion. Ultimately, this established a system where lighter-skinned blacks sometimes received more favorable treatment than their darker-skinned counterparts. (It is important to put this in context, however. Favorable treatment within a slave system would still have been dehumanizing, cruel, and brutal.)"

http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/11/17/saving-face-colorism-colonialism-and-sammy-sosa/



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RE: Liberals prefer a lighter skinned Obama - 2/27/2010 8:19:22 AM   
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Should I decide to run for public office, I shouldn't go out by the pool and get a deeper tan.


The tan worked for Kennedy

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RE: Liberals prefer a lighter skinned Obama - 2/27/2010 1:14:24 PM   
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Should I decide to run for public office, I shouldn't go out by the pool and get a deeper tan.


The tan worked for Kennedy


JFK and Addison's Disease - John F. Kennedy Presidential Library


While on a visit to London in the fall of 1947, Congressman Kennedy became so seriously ill with weakness, nausea, vomiting, and low blood pressure that he was given the last rites of the Roman Catholic Church. The physician who examined him diagnosed his condition as Addison’s disease and told one of Kennedy’s friends that “he hasn’t got a year to live.”

Journalist Arthur Krock, however, remembered being told by Joseph Kennedy, even before his son first ran for Congress in 1946, that Jack had Addison’s disease and was probably dying. Krock related that Joseph Kennedy “wept sitting in the chair opposite me in the office.” If Krock’s memory was accurate, it would appear that John Kennedy contracted Addison’s disease somewhat earlier than previously thought. Indeed, this might well explain Kennedy’s illness during his first campaign for the House of Representatives, when he collapsed during the final campaign event, a parade in Charlestown, sweating heavily and his skin discolored.

One of the common symptoms of Addison’s disease is a discoloration or bronzing of the skin. Although several of Kennedy’s biographers indicate that he did not have skin discoloration and/or that he insisted he did not, other observers found that he had a surprisingly deep tan, or yellowish skin, or skin of a greenish tinge. One who saw him during the 1960 campaign reported that his face was “lined and tanned to the extreme – and rough-looking, like the surface of a steak.”



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RE: Liberals prefer a lighter skinned Obama - 2/27/2010 3:28:34 PM   
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Preferencing lighter skin type is not an exclusively American or even European phenomenon, not even by a long shot.

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