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Now why isn't this surprising? - 3/1/2010 4:56:45 PM   
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/03/01/2010-03-01_bklyn_acorn_cleared_over_giving_illegal_advice_on_how_to_hide_money_from_prostit.html#ixzz0gxpib9Cn
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RE: Now why isn't this surprising? - 3/1/2010 5:02:55 PM   
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RE: Now why isn't this surprising? - 3/1/2010 5:11:21 PM   
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I'd like to see the unedited tape.

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RE: Now why isn't this surprising? - 3/1/2010 5:18:18 PM   
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is that the only way you will believe it??



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RE: Now why isn't this surprising? - 3/1/2010 5:22:20 PM   
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I told you so.

we reward incompetence= so we will get more of it.

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RE: Now why isn't this surprising? - 3/1/2010 5:37:19 PM   
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I think these clowns deserve 20 years for the damage they did to acorn.   I hope they are indicted soon although the wheels are of justice are tedious and move slowly.
 What is surprising is how cowardly Democrats have been helping Republicans in cutting acorn funding.   Another reason not to vote for the Democrats in the future.

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RE: Now why isn't this surprising? - 3/1/2010 5:47:13 PM   
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It's a moot point. Acorn groups are reforming under different names to do the same work.

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RE: Now why isn't this surprising? - 3/1/2010 5:53:09 PM   
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I'd like to see the unedited tape.


I'd like to see charges brought against the little geek for fraud.

Let's not forget this:

James O'Keefe's latest caper - Los Angeles Times


O'Keefe, the Internet "journalist" who became an overnight sensation after his undercover reports revealed unethical behavior by the liberal activist group ACORN, now finds himself in the middle of his own bugging scandal.

He was arrested Monday in what the FBI alleges was a plot to "interfere with a telephone system" in the office of Democratic U.S. Sen. Mary L. Landrieu in New Orleans.

According to federal court records, O'Keefe admitted that he worked with three accomplices, two of whom entered Landrieu's office posing as telephone repairmen while O'Keefe recorded them with his cellphone camera. If convicted, the four face up to 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.


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RE: Now why isn't this surprising? - 3/1/2010 6:00:28 PM   
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Interesting timing, because I just read today that they never wore the outrageous costumes within the offices; they wore garden-variety office wear.

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RE: Now why isn't this surprising? - 3/1/2010 6:06:57 PM   
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Interesting timing, because I just read today that they never wore the outrageous costumes within the offices; they wore garden-variety office wear.

That is always what some of the ACORN workers said.

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RE: Now why isn't this surprising? - 3/1/2010 6:10:48 PM   
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So?  What's your point?  That complete amateurs couldn't get the ACORN folks to use the specific phrasing needed to secure a conviction?  They were good enough to get the true colors out on display.



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RE: Now why isn't this surprising? - 3/1/2010 6:17:10 PM   
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True colors?Despite being cleared they are still "guilty"as far as your concerned?
So much for the presumption of innocence.....oh I'm sorry that doesn't apply to activists of the liberal stripe.....just to tea party scumbags heh?

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RE: Now why isn't this surprising? - 3/1/2010 6:19:08 PM   
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knew that was coming, lol so I wasnt wrong after alll, snorts...

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RE: Now why isn't this surprising? - 3/1/2010 6:55:12 PM   
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Ah well.  It's a Monday, after all.

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RE: Now why isn't this surprising? - 3/1/2010 7:02:35 PM   
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How many political scandals wind up with somebody doing jail time, Mike?  Slime and crime may rhyme, but don't meet the same standards of evidence.

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RE: Now why isn't this surprising? - 3/1/2010 7:07:26 PM   
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Even if its not a crime to do things like help people bring under age girls in from Central America to use as prostitutes, still its despicable. "Innocent" or not, no one has denied that what we saw in the videos real or accurate, and for you to support those scumbags is a disgusting new low for you.

No, I don't like you mike. You have no redeeming qualities whatsoever.


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True colors?Despite being cleared they are still "guilty"as far as your concerned?
So much for the presumption of innocence.....oh I'm sorry that doesn't apply to activists of the liberal stripe.....just to tea party scumbags heh?







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RE: Now why isn't this surprising? - 3/1/2010 7:07:55 PM   
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Off the top of my head and meeting the requirements of a fast reply.....Watergate would seem to qualify!

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RE: Now why isn't this surprising? - 3/1/2010 7:10:36 PM   
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Besides what has any of that have to do with presumption of innocence?...Or with you presuming guilt where a decision not to press criminal charges has already been reached?

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RE: Now why isn't this surprising? - 3/1/2010 7:15:04 PM   
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So?  What's your point?  That complete amateurs couldn't get the ACORN folks to use the specific phrasing needed to secure a conviction?  They were good enough to get the true colors out on display.



I see, so being exonerated legally just means they were still guilty but there just wasn't enough evidence to convict them.

In other words, guilty until proven innocent.



Report Finds Acorn Broke No Laws - The Caucus Blog - NYTimes.com

The controversial community organizing group Acorn has not broken any laws in the last five years, according to a Congrssional Research Service report released Tuesday evening.

The report, requested by Representative John Conyers, Democrat of Michigan, said that federal agencies, mainly the Departments of Justice and Housing and Urban Development, have awarded money to the group 48 times since 2005. But, in none of those instances did Acorn violate the terms of their funding, the report said.

Since the 2008 elections, the group, which works primarily to expand voter registration and affordable housing, has become a key Republican target.
A series of scandals brought to light by conservative activists led to multiple Congressional hearings and repeated attempts to deny it taxpayer funding. Acorn has been the subject of scores of investigations—a total of 46 inquiries by federal, state, and local agencies, including the FBI and the Treasury Department, and five by Congress as of October 2009, according to the report.

The report found no evidence that voters attempting to cast ballots at the polls had been improperly registered by Acorn, a chief Republican accusation.

The report also said that a sting-style effort to publicize the group’s allegedly illegal activities, may have broken state laws. Two conservative activists set off a firestorm in September when they posed as a pimp and a prostitute seeking financial advice and secretly videotaped Acorn employees offering advice on how the couple could hide their illicit activities and avoid paying taxes.


ACORN CRS Report

There were no instances of individuals who were allegedly registered to vote improperly by ACORN or its employees and who were reported "attempting to vote at the polls." Memorandum from the Congressional Research Service to the House Judiciary Committee, "ACORN Investigations" (December 22, 2009), at 1.


No instances were identified in which ACORN "violated the terms of federal funding in the last five years." "ACORN Investigations," at 1.


Concerning recent "sting" operations relating to ACORN, although state laws vary, two relevant states, Maryland and California, "appear to ban private recording of face to face conversations absent the consent of all the participants." Memorandum from the Congressional Research Service to the House Judiciary, "Allegations of Recording Conversations with Various ACORN Affiliated Individuals without Their Consent" (October 9, 2009), at 1.






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RE: Now why isn't this surprising? - 3/1/2010 7:20:22 PM   
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Off the top of my head and meeting the requirements of a fast reply.....Watergate would seem to qualify!


Not a good example, Mike.  That did get convictions, and Nixon needed a pardon (bastard Ford!).  A good recent example would be the Climategate emails, and the decision not to prosecute on Freedom of Information violations.

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