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Islamic scholar issues fatwa against terrorism - 3/3/2010 1:22:39 AM

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So, now we have Muslims against terrorism and we have a Christian, J.D. Hayworth in Arizona, running against John McCain claiming he will use torture and terrorism.
Crist, McCain challengers woo conservatives

Hayworth cited McCain's support for closing the prison for terrorist suspects at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and his opposition to harsh interrogation techniques that are widely considered torture.

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Islamic scholar issues fatwa against terrorism
'Whatever these terrorists are doing, it's not martyrdom'
Last Updated: Tuesday, March 2, 2010 | 9:47 AM ET
[color=#3b5998 size=2]CBC News

Muhammad Tahir ul-Qadri speaks at Warwick University in Coventry, central England, in August 2009. (Kieran Doherty/Reuters)
A prominent Islamic scholar issued a religious ruling against terrorism and suicide bombings at a speech in London Tuesday.

Muhammad Tahir ul-Qadri, a leading scholar of Sufism, the tradition within Islam that focuses on peace and tolerance, isn't the first Islamic teacher to denounce acts of terrorism.

But Qadri's 600-page judgment, or fatwa, is among the harshest denouncements of the theological arguments used by militant groups like al-Qaeda.

"Whatever these terrorists are doing, it's not martyrdom," said Qadri on Tuesday.

U.K.-based anti-extremism think-tank the Quilliam Foundation, which sponsored the speech, called the Pakistani-born Qadri's fatwa "arguably the most comprehensive theological refutation of Islamist terrorism to date."

Suicide bombers destined for hell, Qadri says
Qadri condemned suicide bombers as destined for hell, a counter to the extremist promise of eternal paradise after death. Qadri said the fatwa outlaws suicide bombings "without any excuses, any pretexts, or exceptions."

He said he was compelled to issue the fatwa because of concerns about the radicalization of British Muslims at university campuses, most of whom are of Pakistani descent.

Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab, accused of trying to bomb a Detroit-bound plane on Christmas Day, studied at a London university until 2008.

Qadri is the founder of the international Minhaj-ul-Qur'an movement, which is mostly based in Pakistan, where he once served as an elected member of the national assembly and was a close associate of assassinated prime minister Benazir Bhutto

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RE: Islamic scholar issues fatwa against terrorism - 3/3/2010 7:10:15 AM

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'Bout time an Islamic scholar affirmed that Islam isn't about blood. We non-Muslims should have been challenging the Muslim scholars about this all along.

Hayworth has a few screws loose. I'm surprised he's gaining any traction whatsoever. I suppose it's the anti-incumbent sentiment.

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RE: Islamic scholar issues fatwa against terrorism - 3/3/2010 7:35:55 AM

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Most Islamist that I know have never stood for terrorism. The hugest misconception from the Western world is that Islam is about terrorism. It is a group of radical Islamics who condone terrorism.

Imagine if all of Christian America was judged by the actions of asshats like Pat Robertson?

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RE: Islamic scholar issues fatwa against terrorism - 3/3/2010 9:01:50 AM

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It's actually a group of radical shi'ites mostly and a lot of islamic scholars (like Mr Ul-Quadri) hold that they're radically misinterpreting the Koran to suit their own aims. It's notable that the idiots who bombed the London underground in 2005 didn't come from strict fundamentalist backgrounds at all. If the stupid berks had known their koran they'd have been aware that the ringleaders were feeding them a load of ridiculous shit.
(That said, it's worth bearing in mind that sufism is the more pacifist/mystical end of Islam, and so tends to be far more tolerant of infidels than a few of the other flavours.)

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RE: Islamic scholar issues fatwa against terrorism - 3/3/2010 9:16:57 AM

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The Qur’an, like the bible is open to interpretation. People will use holy books and just about anything to prove their point.

I'm far from being an expert on Islam, though I have 2 ex partners who were born in Islamic countries. So I might have a different perspective than most. I don't see all of this so black and white as most Westerners.

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RE: Islamic scholar issues fatwa against terrorism - 3/3/2010 9:28:31 AM

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Muhammad Tahir ul-Qadri, a leading scholar of Sufism...

Sufism is the beautiful heart of Islam. Anyone not familiar with it might enjoy Wahiduddin's Living from the Heart web site.

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RE: Islamic scholar issues fatwa against terrorism - 3/3/2010 9:42:22 AM

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The Qur’an, like the bible is open to interpretation. People will use holy books and just about anything to prove their point.

I'm far from being an expert on Islam, though I have 2 ex partners who were born in Islamic countries. So I might have a different perspective than most. I don't see all of this so black and white as most Westerners.

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Sadly, there's a lot of shi'tes who see it in the same simplistic terms as the christian neocons...

It was one of the Sufi branches Richard and Linda Thompson converted to, wasn't it?

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RE: Islamic scholar issues fatwa against terrorism - 3/3/2010 10:11:10 AM

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The Qur’an, like the bible is open to interpretation. People will use holy books and just about anything to prove their point.

I'm far from being an expert on Islam, though I have 2 ex partners who were born in Islamic countries. So I might have a different perspective than most. I don't see all of this so black and white as most Westerners.

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Sadly, there's a lot of shi'tes who see it in the same simplistic terms as the christian neocons...

Well Shi'ites constitute somewhere around 10-15% if Islam, a very small minority. They are mostly concentrated in Iran (about 40%) Iraq, Pakistan, and India.

Now the interesting things is that Islam is not native to Iran, though now over 90% of the country is Muslim with a small percentage of Sunni. The other 10% having other faiths or so are protected, in theory. Islam isn't limited to Arabs, but it stems from Arabs. Interesting that the "colonized" countries seem to be the ones that are most fervent.

That said, there is a movement of Iranians who are slowly moving away from Islam, recognizing that this is not their heritage. They have to leave their country to do so, as to be born into Islam and to deny it is a crime in Iran (e.g.: there are fines and imprisonment for not following Ramadan).

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It was one of the Sufi branches Richard and Linda Thompson converted to, wasn't it?

I have no idea. I'm not familiar with them.

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RE: Islamic scholar issues fatwa against terrorism - 3/3/2010 10:52:58 AM

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But Qadri's 600-page judgment, or fatwa, is among the harshest denouncements of the theological arguments used by militant groups like al-Qaeda

Brain - we've had this thing going on in England for a long time.

The Muslim Council of Britain have been condemning militant actions/terrorism/whatever you want to call it for a long time. Some people won't be happy until every muslim in the country knocks on everyone else's door and explains they aren't terrorists while begging for forgiveness from everyone. But then they still wouldn't be happy because for them it's not about whether or not muslims are a threat it's about them having a cause in life (an identity/purpose). Just as the left will talk up the threat of the BNP til the cows come home (never mind the fact that the BNP are a rabble and about as threatening as a stuffed turkey on the dinner table of 60 starving Africans) - the right do exactly the same thing - talk up the threat of people who are actually just minding their own busines.

And - as said - people need a cause - or more to the point something to cling onto in their frustrating lives.

I was watching a debate between people from various organisations - and the muslims on the show were saying: "look we just want to get on with our lives - we're no threat to you". And the response was : "ah but your book advocates violence"....to which the muslims said: "well so does yours in parts - but we appreciate there is more to the bible than certain chapters/paragraphs"....and the response was..."ah but yours really is violent; whereas you're misunderstanding ours". Bizarre really.

Were I one of the 99.9% of muslims who have never been charged with a terrorist offence then I wouldn't be apologising for the 0.01% because a) it's nothing to do with them and b) the more you apologise to the mob the more the mob will be on your back.

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RE: Islamic scholar issues fatwa against terrorism - 3/3/2010 4:08:53 PM

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Well Shi'ites constitute somewhere around 10-15% if Islam, a very small minority. They are mostly concentrated in Iran (about 40%) Iraq, Pakistan, and India.

Now the interesting things is that Islam is not native to Iran, though now over 90% of the country is Muslim with a small percentage of Sunni. The other 10% having other faiths or so are protected, in theory. Islam isn't limited to Arabs, but it stems from Arabs. Interesting that the "colonized" countries seem to be the ones that are most fervent.

That said, there is a movement of Iranians who are slowly moving away from Islam, recognizing that this is not their heritage. They have to leave their country to do so, as to be born into Islam and to deny it is a crime in Iran (e.g.: there are fines and imprisonment for not following Ramadan).

The thing that always makes me laugh about Iran is that until Bush started his "axis of evil" bullshit and made it look to a few of the more clueless bits of the population like maybe the Ayatollah isn't talking out of his arse and the Americans really do hate them then the whole country had spent most of a decade getting more westernised. Sadly, it's the old farts left over from the revolution who are running the country, not the more flexible and imaginative youth. The bust up with Iraq dug a massive generation gap between the two by killing off most of the male half of one generation. Once twats like Khameni and his sock puppet gimp start dying off, Iran's probably another middle eastern country that'll improve massively.

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I have no idea. I'm not familiar with them.

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RE: Islamic scholar issues fatwa against terrorism - 3/3/2010 4:29:10 PM

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The bust up with Iraq dug a massive generation gap between the two by killing off most of the male half of one generation. Once twats like Khameni and his sock puppet gimp start dying off, Iran's probably another middle eastern country that'll improve massively.

I certainly hope so. From poems that have been translated to me, pictures I've seen, food I have tated, music I've heard, stories that have been recounted to me and people I have met, Iran is full of beauty. It has a gorgeous culture, a rich history and very passionate people.

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RE: Islamic scholar issues fatwa against terrorism - 3/3/2010 4:35:16 PM

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That's the impression I always get. Hopefully the theocracy is just a passing phase they won't have to put up with for much longer.

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