RE: Govt Mailcare Insolvent: Cut Saturdays?

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Musicmystery -> RE: Govt Mailcare Insolvent: Cut Saturdays? (3/3/2010 7:16:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse I just think that with congress out of the picture, and the right people running the Post Office, you could have good service to all parts of the country without losing a couple of billion dollars every year. You're really just stuck on this, aren't you. Without Congress, there is no post office. And the solutions are already being sorted through.

servantforuse -> RE: Govt Mailcare Insolvent: Cut Saturdays? (3/3/2010 7:26:47 PM)
I like the Post Office, but I sure would hate to try and manage it when you have to go through congress to make it run efficiently. I really do think they could run it better without the federal government helping them.

Musicmystery -> RE: Govt Mailcare Insolvent: Cut Saturdays? (3/3/2010 7:32:34 PM)
You're not understanding. They'd never have existed without Congress. Economically, it never would have happened. And not many businesses have been around this long: "The United States Postmaster General is the executive head of the United States Postal Service. The office, in one form or another, is older than both the United States Constitution and the United States Declaration of Independence. Benjamin Franklin was appointed by the Continental Congress as the first Postmaster General, serving slightly longer than 15 months. "Until 1971, the Postmaster General was the head of the Post Office Department (or simply "Post Office" until the 1820s). From 1829 to 1971, he was a member of the President's Cabinet. "The Cabinet post of Postmaster General was often given to a new President's campaign manager or other key political supporter, and was considered something of a sinecure. The Postmaster General was in charge of the governing party's patronage, and was a powerful position which held much influence within the party. For example, James Farley used his position as Postmaster General during Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal administration to reward party loyalists within Congress who supported Roosevelt's initial "100 days" legislation with federal patronage for their states. Federal appointments, except for a small handful, were screened by Farley before the President could approve the appointments due to the patronage position of the Postmaster General. "In 1971, the Post Office Department was re-organized into the United States Postal Service, a special agency independent of the executive branch. Thus, the Postmaster General is no longer a member of the Cabinet and is no longer in line to be President. During the Civil War, the Confederate States of America also had a Confederate Post-Office Department, headed by a Postmaster General, John Henninger Reagan. "The current Postmaster General is also CEO of the U.S. Postal Service." --Wikipedia

servantforuse -> RE: Govt Mailcare Insolvent: Cut Saturdays? (3/3/2010 7:40:21 PM)
I just don't understand why they can't exist without congress. Because they never have in the past, why can't that be changed. If rates have to be raised to reflect the actual cost of sending a letter then they should do so. We are paying the cost anyways with the government subsidy.

Musicmystery -> RE: Govt Mailcare Insolvent: Cut Saturdays? (3/3/2010 7:47:45 PM)
Suit yourself. Government bad. All things private good. Got it.

thompsonx -> RE: Govt Mailcare Insolvent: Cut Saturdays? (3/3/2010 8:07:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse There are probably thousands of small post office locations that could and should be closed. That is the first thing that should be looked at. If the P O were run as a business this would have been done already. What you fail to comprehend is that the post office is NOT a business it is a SERVICE. I am sure you have heard of the Constitution. I am also pretty sure you have heard of the first ammendment to that Constitution. That is why there is a post office. The post office is the Federal Governments guarentee to free speech. You claim to be a conservative...are you really sure you want someone who might have a different political slant on life controling your ability to speak your mind? Consider also third class or so called "bulk mail" In addition to bringing you the weekly super market ads it also is how political organizations communicate. UPS and Fedex do not offer that sort of service. Just a few thoughts for those who are lost in a headlong rush towards black ink on the bottom line.

thompsonx -> RE: Govt Mailcare Insolvent: Cut Saturdays? (3/3/2010 8:10:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse Thats the problem Music, the government couldn't run a lemonade stand without losing money. Let the private sector make some cost saving decisions or at the least untie the hands of those running the P O. The government seems to do a pretty good job of keeping rich people rich. Right now they have the taxpayers ponying up the tab so big oil can score in the sand box.

thompsonx -> RE: Govt Mailcare Insolvent: Cut Saturdays? (3/3/2010 8:11:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy The solution is obvious. Nationalize the private mail box drop companies adding 30 million PO boxes to the system. Force those who currently use them to continue to pay for them but add a tax on the bigger boxes unless they are used exclusively by labor unions. Companies that don't subsidize postage for their employees will also pay a tax, but one that is far less than the cost of postage. Cut the pay of mail carriers by 21%. This will obviously lower the cost of mail delivery and increase delivery speed for everyone. This is pretty obvious sarcasm from someone who clearly has no clue what he is talking about

thompsonx -> RE: Govt Mailcare Insolvent: Cut Saturdays? (3/3/2010 8:15:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse AT&T was always very profitable company and still is. They made their money in the large cities and LD calls. They lost big money providing service to rural areas but still made a profit doing so. They did so for years being a regulated monopoly not being able to raise rates whenever they wanted to do so. You say they lost big money providing service to rural areas but still made a profit doing so. Do you ever read what you say? Just how does one make a profit loosing money? Or is this just your subtle way of telling us that you have your head up your ass and have no clue what you are talking about?

slvemike4u -> RE: Govt Mailcare Insolvent: Cut Saturdays? (3/3/2010 8:37:21 PM)
I think what he meant Thompson was that despite losing money providing and wiring up rural areas...they still managed to turn a profit...mostly by charging obscene and out of whack prices for long distance service.

thompsonx -> RE: Govt Mailcare Insolvent: Cut Saturdays? (3/3/2010 8:47:46 PM)
Mikey: How bout you let him pry his own feet out of his mouth.

slvemike4u -> RE: Govt Mailcare Insolvent: Cut Saturdays? (3/3/2010 9:01:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Mikey: How bout you let him pry his own feet out of his mouth. you just can't help being an asshole can you? There seemed to be some confusion and I tried to help clear it up....20 years in the company gave me enough insight to understand what he meant.But no, thompson has to be an asshole...suit yourself. By the way "mikie" is some kid eating life cereal,now while you're free to refer to me in any way you like tommie...i would prefer you stick with Mike

eyesopened -> RE: Govt Mailcare Insolvent: Cut Saturdays? (3/4/2010 4:15:23 AM)
Exactly... all things private is good, all things public is bad. It took me less than 10 minutes to get a rate quote from UPS and FedEx. Those private companies would charge me extra to pick up my letter. Would charge extra to deliver on a Saturday. Are already charging extra to deliver to a residence and have a "fuel surcharge" so they can charge more every time gas prices go up. BUT they are profitable and the USPS is not. How many people really want to pay $8.00 to send a letter, pay more if its picked up at their home and pay even more for delivery on saturdays? Looks like nearly everybody. I'm sick of hearing people say the USPS should compete with UPS and FedEx. They do. It's the other two who do NOT want to compete with the post office. They do not want to be residential letter-carriers. Not at all. Someone please show me one company in the United States who is actually competing for the letter delviery business.

Musicmystery -> RE: Govt Mailcare Insolvent: Cut Saturdays? (3/4/2010 4:34:23 AM)
quote: I'm sick of hearing people say the USPS should compete with UPS and FedEx. Me too. They are EXCELLENT companies, none better---at what they do...which is not pick up and delivery mail at every address six days a week at low cost.

flcouple2009 -> RE: Govt Mailcare Insolvent: Cut Saturdays? (3/4/2010 5:35:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse I just don't understand why they can't exist without congress. Because they never have in the past, why can't that be changed. If rates have to be raised to reflect the actual cost of sending a letter then they should do so. We are paying the cost anyways with the government subsidy. What subsidy? You do understand the government hasn't paid a subsidy to the Postal Service in years?

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Govt Mailcare Insolvent: Cut Saturdays? (3/4/2010 10:24:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: I'm sick of hearing people say the USPS should compete with UPS and FedEx. Me too. They are EXCELLENT companies, none better---at what they do...which is not pick up and delivery mail at every address six days a week at low cost. And if they did pick up and deliver mail at every address six days a week - at any cost - they wouldn't do any of those other things nearly as well as they now do. Because unlike the postal service, they are designed to specialize at doing fewer things for maximum profit. These privatization people are comparing apples to quasars and insisting they're the exact same thing. It's nonsense.

ShaharThorne -> RE: Govt Mailcare Insolvent: Cut Saturdays? (3/4/2010 11:17:56 AM)
My baby brother works for the post office close to where he lives. To him, its a plum job because he can spend time with his family, the old post office that he worked for was over 2 hours away. He is paid an excellent salary, had decent health insurance (one niece has medical problems and the insurance takes care of it), and can get days off if he needs to do some business during the week. On one of his routes is the dentist that he recommended to me that is doing my dental work. The town where he is located at is friendly (except for the old coot who hates my brother but then he always hated the USPS). Now...I started selling on eBay and I plan to use USPS due to the low rates (compared to UPS and Fed-ex). I got watchers on 2 of my auctions of farm implements. There is no way in hell I can mail so suckers, but the books, movies and certain clothing can go by Media Post and Parcel Post. If someone wants to package, USPS is the best rate. If I use a PO box as my mailing address, at least there is a message in the PO box. With Fex-Ex and UPS, they go by the physical address. at this time I don't have a PO box but then I am threating to get a bigger mailbox for Mom so we can have packages put in there. I can handle rates being increased...I can handle no Saturdays (more time for my brother) But I cannot handle closing the small PO because I have dealings with the one closest to me (where we mail off packages).

ShaharThorne -> RE: Govt Mailcare Insolvent: Cut Saturdays? (3/4/2010 11:20:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: I'm sick of hearing people say the USPS should compete with UPS and FedEx. Me too. They are EXCELLENT companies, none better---at what they do...which is not pick up and delivery mail at every address six days a week at low cost. And if they did pick up and deliver mail at every address six days a week - at any cost - they wouldn't do any of those other things nearly as well as they now do. Because unlike the postal service, they are designed to specialize at doing fewer things for maximum profit. These privatization people are comparing apples to quasars and insisting they're the exact same thing. It's nonsense. You just had to mention physics, didn't you...[:D]

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Govt Mailcare Insolvent: Cut Saturdays? (3/4/2010 11:31:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: flcouple2009 quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse I just don't understand why they can't exist without congress. Because they never have in the past, why can't that be changed. If rates have to be raised to reflect the actual cost of sending a letter then they should do so. We are paying the cost anyways with the government subsidy. What subsidy? You do understand the government hasn't paid a subsidy to the Postal Service in years? Wrong. "Appropriations that have not been recognized as revenue during the years ended September 30 were $550 million in 2008 and $611 million in 2007" USPS website

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