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Silence8 -> domestic violence a 'preexisting condition' (3/3/2010 8:52:36 PM)

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So the unemployment situation sort of comes at women with domestic violence issues from these two different perspectives. And I applaud Senator Reid for pointing that out. The thing that I think—the next step that we have to make, now that he makes that connection, we must not decrease expenditures on violence-against-women programs. In fact, when the economy suffers, that’s when public policy, I think, requires that we increase services for women escaping violence.

AMY GOODMAN: During last week’s healthcare summit at Blair House that President Obama presided over, New York Congress member Louise Slaughter noted that domestic violence is considered a pre-existing condition in eight states across the country. This is what she said.

REP. LOUISE SLAUGHTER: Pre-existing conditions absolutely has to go. It is cruel. It is capricious. And it is done only to enhance the bottom line. Eight states in this country right now have declared that domestic violence is a pre-existing condition, on the grounds, I assume, that if you’ve been unlucky enough to get yourself beaten up once, you might go around and do it again.


AMY GOODMAN: That was New York Congress member Louise Slaughter. Terry O’Neill, this is just astounding. Explain again what some health insurance companies consider—how they consider domestic violence a pre-existing condition.

TERRY O’NEILL: You know, I’ve never been able to get an explanation of why they do it. I assume it’s because it’s just an effort—it’s one more way of enhancing their bottom line. But it’s absolutely astonishing that—

AMY GOODMAN: That if a woman’s been—

TERRY O’NEILL: —a woman who has experienced—

AMY GOODMAN: Go ahead.

TERRY O’NEILL: She can be—right, she can be denied insurance completely, no health insurance available on the private market, if the insurance company says, “Oh, well, you’ve been a victim of domestic violence, therefore we’re not going to cover you at all.” And in eight states, the insurance company is permitted to say no coverage of anything. Right?

I don’t know where the insurance—I don’t know if they’re—I can’t imagine that there are statistical studies proving that somehow it is more expensive to insure a person who has been in a domestic violence situation. Clearly, this kind of pre-existing condition should be outlawed, must be outlawed immediately. And yeah, and I think that this is a recent phenomenon of insurance companies simply looking anywhere they can for profit. And this is one way they’ve done it. It’s completely outrageous.

AMY GOODMAN: I’m looking at a report from ABC News, how they describe the latest “controversial abortion bill in Utah meant to prevent planned assaults on unborn children may have opened a loophole that could allow women to be charged with murder if their reckless behavior causes miscarriages.” And on that issue, I wanted to bring in a second guest. Lynn Paltrow is the executive director of National Advocates for Pregnant Women.

This is an astounding bill and actually also relates to the issue of domestic violence. Can you explain?

LYNN PALTROW: Well, the way the statute is written, any action a woman undertakes, knowingly or recklessly, can result in a charge of homicide with a penalty of fifteen years. So a woman who is pregnant and stays with her batterer is arguably being reckless in staying there. And should she stay there, she could literally be charged with attempted feticide or murder, if there is a—if she survives and the fetus doesn’t. And I think your other guest can talk about why women do stay in those circumstances and why making them criminals for doing so is so unjust.

AMY GOODMAN: It’s really astounding when you play this out, because if a woman is afraid that she might not get health insurance, she won’t let people know that this has happened, Terry O’Neill.




eyesopened -> RE: domestic violence a 'preexisting condition' (3/4/2010 5:03:03 AM)

This issue has been brought up before.  Here's a snip from a Sept, 2009 article on the same subject:

"In 2006, Democrats tried to end the practice. An amendment introduced by Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), now a member of leadership, split the Health Education Labor & Pensions Committee 10-10. The tie meant that the measure failed.
All ten no votes were Republicans, including Sen. Mike Enzi (R-Wyoming), a member of the "Gang of Six" on the Finance Committee who are hashing out a bipartisan bill. A spokesman for Enzi didn't immediately return a call from Huffington Post.
At the time, Enzi defended his vote by saying that such regulations could increase the price of insurance and make it out of reach for more people. "If you have no insurance, it doesn't matter what services are mandated by the state," he said, according to a CQ Today item from March 15th, 2006."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/14/when-getting-beaten-by-yo_n_286029.html

It seems that blocking anything that could benefit the general public in favor of corporate profit is the goal of the Republican party. 




DarkSteven -> RE: domestic violence a 'preexisting condition' (3/4/2010 6:24:31 AM)

Ridiculous.  The entire concept of a preexisting condition is that there is a MEDICAL condition that makes treatment more likely or more expensive.  Being a domestic violence victim is a lifestyle factor, not a medical condition, and should be treated exactly the same as someone who smokes - higher premiums.

I can't believe that the insurance companies are so stupid.  All it will take is one victim who refuses to report the abuse because she's afraid of losing coverage, and then getting badly maimed or killed as a result, for a big, nasty lawsuit.  Once the company's internal correspondence is made public after the discovery phase of the suit, there will be witch hunts set up in Congress.




Sanity -> RE: domestic violence a 'preexisting condition' (3/4/2010 6:39:09 AM)


You really look ridiculous when you try to pretend that HuffPo is a legitimate news source.


quote:

ORIGINAL: eyesopened

This issue has been brought up before.  Here's a snip from a Sept, 2009 article on the same subject:

"In 2006, Democrats tried to end the practice. An amendment introduced by Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), now a member of leadership, split the Health Education Labor & Pensions Committee 10-10. The tie meant that the measure failed.
All ten no votes were Republicans, including Sen. Mike Enzi (R-Wyoming), a member of the "Gang of Six" on the Finance Committee who are hashing out a bipartisan bill. A spokesman for Enzi didn't immediately return a call from Huffington Post.
At the time, Enzi defended his vote by saying that such regulations could increase the price of insurance and make it out of reach for more people. "If you have no insurance, it doesn't matter what services are mandated by the state," he said, according to a CQ Today item from March 15th, 2006."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/14/when-getting-beaten-by-yo_n_286029.html

It seems that blocking anything that could benefit the general public in favor of corporate profit is the goal of the Republican party. 




Sanity -> RE: domestic violence a 'preexisting condition' (3/4/2010 6:40:41 AM)


And your source is "Democracy NOW"?


[sm=rofl.gif]




rulemylife -> RE: domestic violence a 'preexisting condition' (3/4/2010 6:49:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


You really look ridiculous when you try to pretend that HuffPo is a legitimate news source.



Of course, unless it is owned by Rupert Murdoch it is obviously biased.

Keep staying fair and balanced Sanity.




Lucienne -> RE: domestic violence a 'preexisting condition' (3/4/2010 7:33:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


You really look ridiculous when you try to pretend that HuffPo is a legitimate news source.


quote:

ORIGINAL: eyesopened

This issue has been brought up before.  Here's a snip from a Sept, 2009 article on the same subject:

"In 2006, Democrats tried to end the practice. An amendment introduced by Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), now a member of leadership, split the Health Education Labor & Pensions Committee 10-10. The tie meant that the measure failed.
All ten no votes were Republicans, including Sen. Mike Enzi (R-Wyoming), a member of the "Gang of Six" on the Finance Committee who are hashing out a bipartisan bill. A spokesman for Enzi didn't immediately return a call from Huffington Post.
At the time, Enzi defended his vote by saying that such regulations could increase the price of insurance and make it out of reach for more people. "If you have no insurance, it doesn't matter what services are mandated by the state," he said, according to a CQ Today item from March 15th, 2006."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/14/when-getting-beaten-by-yo_n_286029.html

It seems that blocking anything that could benefit the general public in favor of corporate profit is the goal of the Republican party. 



I don't normally engage people who get off on source bashing pot shots, but today I'll go ahead. Are you claiming that the votes and quote reported are lies?




Sanity -> RE: domestic violence a 'preexisting condition' (3/4/2010 8:22:08 AM)


FOX is the most trusted name in news.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/32039.html

HuffPo is some crazed bitch with a computer...


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


You really look ridiculous when you try to pretend that HuffPo is a legitimate news source.



Of course, unless it is owned by Rupert Murdoch it is obviously biased.

Keep staying fair and balanced Sanity.





Sanity -> RE: domestic violence a 'preexisting condition' (3/4/2010 8:24:37 AM)


I'm claiming that you can't believe everything you read on the Internet, and that one should take what one reads on these fringe websites with a shaker of salt.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucienne
I don't normally engage people who get off on source bashing pot shots, but today I'll go ahead. Are you claiming that the votes and quote reported are lies?





mnottertail -> RE: domestic violence a 'preexisting condition' (3/4/2010 8:26:19 AM)

yes, imbiciles agree that fox is the most trusted name in news, but even the imbiciles profess constantly that it is entertainment for them, to control their drooling.

anyone whos iq exceeds profoundly cretinous hasn't seen an entire broadcast of fox news, perhaps they are curious for as much as 4 sentences, but it doesn't take long to figure out why the proudly announce they 'dumb it down'.




Termyn8or -> RE: domestic violence a 'preexisting condition' (3/4/2010 8:35:47 AM)

FOX ? Now I've heard everything.

T




rulemylife -> RE: domestic violence a 'preexisting condition' (3/4/2010 8:37:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


FOX is the most trusted name in news.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/32039.html

HuffPo is some crazed bitch with a computer...



As usual, posting the same links repeatedly on different threads while forgetting the
article itself discredits your argument:


“A generation ago you would have expected Americans to place their trust in the most neutral and unbiased conveyors of news,” said PPP President Dean Debnam in his analysis of the poll. “But the media landscape has really changed, and now they’re turning more toward the outlets that tell them what they want to hear.”


 




Sanity -> RE: domestic violence a 'preexisting condition' (3/4/2010 8:42:22 AM)


Bash FOX all you want, they're still number one in viewers and they're still the most trusted, so they're obviously doing something right.


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

As usual, posting the same links repeatedly on different threads while forgetting the
article itself discredits your argument:


“A generation ago you would have expected Americans to place their trust in the most neutral and unbiased conveyors of news,” said PPP President Dean Debnam in his analysis of the poll. “But the media landscape has really changed, and now they’re turning more toward the outlets that tell them what they want to hear.”


 




mnottertail -> RE: domestic violence a 'preexisting condition' (3/4/2010 8:43:42 AM)

Bash the Dems and Obama all you want, they are still in control so must be doing something right.





Lucylastic -> RE: domestic violence a 'preexisting condition' (3/4/2010 8:44:48 AM)

because its not on fux, or breitbart, newsbusters or drudge means it doesnt exist and is therefore a lie.
This is the thought process you are dealing with..
Beware the ignorant




Sanity -> RE: domestic violence a 'preexisting condition' (3/4/2010 8:50:17 AM)


They don't act like they're in control, they act like little children.


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Bash the Dems and Obama all you want, they are still in control so must be doing something right.






mnottertail -> RE: domestic violence a 'preexisting condition' (3/4/2010 8:53:31 AM)

and fox is drivel, so horse apiece I guess. so much for your 'must be doing something right' bullshit, eh Tom?




rulemylife -> RE: domestic violence a 'preexisting condition' (3/4/2010 8:57:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Bash FOX all you want, they're still number one in viewers and they're still the most trusted, so they're obviously doing something right.


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

As usual, posting the same links repeatedly on different threads while forgetting the
article itself discredits your argument:


“A generation ago you would have expected Americans to place their trust in the most neutral and unbiased conveyors of news,” said PPP President Dean Debnam in his analysis of the poll. “But the media landscape has really changed, and now they’re turning more toward the outlets that tell them what they want to hear.”


 



So, your own link says the reason they are trusted is because Fox is biased and there are a large number of ignorant people who prefer a biased news source to confirm their own beliefs.

And this is something to celebrate?




Termyn8or -> RE: domestic violence a 'preexisting condition' (3/4/2010 8:58:16 AM)

And just who is politico.com ?

Well, let's see, if we trust absolutely noone like me I guess the only way to find out is to make phone calls to eight states. If they made it up they surely would've enhanced the figures somehow no ? But then there is a possibility that some crazed bitch could answer the phone and purposely give out the wrong information.

What is left. Oh, those certified copies from the statehouse themselves ! But then hang on, let me see if I have notary stamps for those states. But then maybe I don't have to worry, most people probably can't tell the difference.

I guess the only way to know for sure is to try to start insurance companies or HMOs in all fifty states and find out what exclusions are acceptable to their laws. Shouldn't cost much more than a couple hundred million. Hey, FOX has the money. This is obviously because they enlighten people so much that the masses throw money at them all the time. Surely they will report the truth. The fact is that all is well. We have the most competent leaders in the world and they are going to solve all of the problems caused by Nazis and Arabs who have ganged up on us for no reason.

Anyone who says anything else is a crazed bitch with a computer.

T




Sanity -> RE: domestic violence a 'preexisting condition' (3/4/2010 9:02:55 AM)


Its so cute how you childish little Libs are throwing your little tantrums because I refuse to accept that your far left blogs are real news sources.


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife
So, your own link says the reason they are trusted is because Fox is biased and there are a large number of ignorant people who prefer a biased news source to confirm their own beliefs.

And this is something to celebrate?





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