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Voice an Action - 3/5/2010 5:19:23 AM

eyesopened

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We visit these forums and share opinions. This is a good thing. But opinions have been compared to assholes, everyone has one...

I'd like to hear about your actions, those are unique. What are you doing to make a difference? If you aren't doing anything currently, what are your plans?

We can bitch about the governement being too big or not doing enough. But we could be making a difference ourselves instead of waiting for some entity to do something.

Here's one example:
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/7everydayhero/22207806/detail.html
Couple Starts Soup Kitchen For The 'Average Joe

"We serve anyone who walks in the door regardless of their ability to pay. We ask each person to participate in some way whether it is a donation of money or time," said Brad’s wife, Libby Birky.

In other words you pay whatever you can afford for your lunch. If you have no money you can donate an hour of your time in exchange for a meal.

"We wanted to reach out to a population of people that wouldn't necessarily be comfortable going to a soup kitchen or a shelter," said Brad.

SAME Cafe caters to those on the bubble. As Libby puts it: "There are college kids scraping by, elderly on a fixed income, single moms."

They may be scraping by on minimum wage, but still make too much to qualify for assistance. But make no mistake; the SAME Cafe enjoys a great mix of customers. People from all walks of life love the food and atmosphere here.

"It is more like a nice restaurant than it is a place to come and eat if you don't have any money," said Patrick, a regular customer.

I am still looking for the right volunteer opportunity for myself so I would welcome suggestions!

There are really as many positive news articles are there are depressing ones. I wonder what would happen if each person just did something, no matter how small.

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RE: Voice an Action - 3/5/2010 5:32:55 AM

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I'm working on my MS in geography in hopes to do environmental work. My work mainly consists of mapping spatial variation of disease and correlating that with some sort of phenomenon, such as nitrate levels in groundwater, that's what I'm currently working on. I'm hoping that any work I do will contribute to making people more aware of environmental problems, maybe helping find ways to remediate, stop current polluters, stuff like that. I'd really like to do more than identify a problem, well, to be perfectly honest, part of the problem has to do with current regulations. Usually, when new regulations are put in place, existing facilities are told they don't have to make any changes. It's almost like, what's the point? So, I'm also hoping to get in on the administrative side of things. I'd really like to help implement changes such that existing manufacturers and other industries are forced to come into compliance, rather than be offered incentive packages. Perhaps some sort of combination of the two. Forced compliance within a given, realistic time frame with incentives for excelling your set deadline, going above and beyond the call of duty, that type of thing. But all the "Oh, please stop polluting but you don't really have to since you were already around", that needs to stop. By the way, cap and trade doesn't work.

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RE: Voice an Action - 3/5/2010 7:13:52 AM

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Thank you for your response. It's good to see that someone is doing something.

One thing I'd like to do (but not sure how to go about doing it) is to encourage companies to have their support (clerical and customer service) functions be work-at-home jobs.

I have a work-at-home job and I love it! The company saves a lot of money as they can hire more people without having to add more resources like space, furniture, equipment, supplies. Since I don't have a commute, I am one less driver clogging up the expressway, one less car adding pollution. I don't arrive at work stressed by the traffic and I don't arrive home stressed by anything. It's a win-win-win for employee, employer and the environment.

Again, any ideas would be appreciated.

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RE: Voice an Action - 3/5/2010 7:25:33 AM

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I am taking up space.

Sorry. My days of being a hero are in the past.

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RE: Voice an Action - 3/5/2010 12:16:44 PM

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First, don't discount the value of an honest day's work. Honest efforts to put food on one's plate usually result in helping another put food on his plate.

Service and social activism have places too. I volunteer a few hours at a legal aid clinic. I don't have any illusions that my time there is doing anyone more than a small bit of good, but it's one thing I can do.

Social activism is another avenue, but one man's social activism may be another man's subversion, and besides, my donation to the NRA or Gun Owners of America is probably just offset by someone else's donation to the Violence Policy Center and vice versa.....

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RE: Voice an Action - 3/5/2010 12:42:40 PM

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First, don't discount the value of an honest day's work. Honest efforts to put food on one's plate usually result in helping another put food on his plate.

Service and social activism have places too. I volunteer a few hours at a legal aid clinic. I don't have any illusions that my time there is doing anyone more than a small bit of good, but it's one thing I can do.

Social activism is another avenue, but one man's social activism may be another man's subversion, and besides, my donation to the NRA or Gun Owners of America is probably just offset by someone else's donation to the Violence Policy Center and vice versa.....

Thank you. I hadn't really thought that just doing the best I can every day has some value. I did have one customer, who I assisted at a very vulnerable time in her life say to me "You really helped someone today!" And I was just doing my job. Maybe it was in the way I did my job that made the difference.

It gets weary to read all these threads and all the hate and negativity and name-calling and lies and to what end?

Does it matter so very much that what you do may be somewhat offset by someone with an opposing view? In the end, if each and every person did some small thing for which they had passion then would the world not be better? If we just let "someone else" do everything then we can only expect to have what someone else thinks is right.

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RE: Voice an Action - 3/5/2010 1:10:17 PM

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It gets weary to read all these threads and all the hate and negativity and name-calling and lies and to what end?

I agree, I get tired of seeing people line up to take shots at people who are so clearly not as well off as others. I think that part of it is that people want to say something funny, I think another part of it is that they really think that their helping someone, so, I don't think that they're really setting out to be hurtful. I'm sure that I've fallen into this category myself, but for the most part, I try to refrain from ad hominem arguments.

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Does it matter so very much that what you do may be somewhat offset by someone with an opposing view? In the end, if each and every person did some small thing for which they had passion then would the world not be better? If we just let "someone else" do everything then we can only expect to have what someone else thinks is right.

Sadly, I think a lot of people have been blinded by xenophobia. All the opinions I ever hear from the right seem rife with fear and hatred of our fellow human beings. It makes me sad and I don't know how to fix it.

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RE: Voice an Action - 3/5/2010 3:04:10 PM

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quote:

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It gets weary to read all these threads and all the hate and negativity and name-calling and lies and to what end?

I agree, I get tired of seeing people line up to take shots at people who are so clearly not as well off as others. I think that part of it is that people want to say something funny, I think another part of it is that they really think that their helping someone, so, I don't think that they're really setting out to be hurtful. I'm sure that I've fallen into this category myself, but for the most part, I try to refrain from ad hominem arguments.

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Does it matter so very much that what you do may be somewhat offset by someone with an opposing view? In the end, if each and every person did some small thing for which they had passion then would the world not be better? If we just let "someone else" do everything then we can only expect to have what someone else thinks is right.

Sadly, I think a lot of people have been blinded by xenophobia. All the opinions I ever hear from the right seem rife with fear and hatred of our fellow human beings. It makes me sad and I don't know how to fix it.

Perception is an amazing thing.

I believe even more people are blinded by their own ignorance and bias than those suffering from xenophobic ideas.

Eyesopened... I do not feel I do anything special. I live my life, work hard to be neither a burden to my family or to society, and exercise my right to vote. I take responsibility for the decisions I make and for those things for which I am responsible. I support those institutions that I believe exist for the purpose of dispensing charity. I will help anyone who I believe is willing to work hard and help themselves, provided they do not try to dictate to me how I should help them. When my advice is sought, I give it freely. I raised my children to follow those same values.

It works very well for me. I think it would be nice if everyone else lived and believed as I do, but if they choose not to, then they must be the ones responsible for their own decisions. I refuse to be responsible for them.

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RE: Voice an Action - 3/5/2010 3:27:34 PM

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I do discounted work and donated work for a few local charities and churches. I can't do as much as I would like with the times like they are.

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RE: Voice an Action - 3/5/2010 3:31:09 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

I'm working on my MS in geography in hopes to do environmental work. My work mainly consists of mapping spatial variation of disease and correlating that with some sort of phenomenon, such as nitrate levels in groundwater, that's what I'm currently working on. I'm hoping that any work I do will contribute to making people more aware of environmental problems, maybe helping find ways to remediate, stop current polluters, stuff like that. I'd really like to do more than identify a problem, well, to be perfectly honest, part of the problem has to do with current regulations. Usually, when new regulations are put in place, existing facilities are told they don't have to make any changes. It's almost like, what's the point? So, I'm also hoping to get in on the administrative side of things. I'd really like to help implement changes such that existing manufacturers and other industries are forced to come into compliance, rather than be offered incentive packages. Perhaps some sort of combination of the two. Forced compliance within a given, realistic time frame with incentives for excelling your set deadline, going above and beyond the call of duty, that type of thing. But all the "Oh, please stop polluting but you don't really have to since you were already around", that needs to stop. By the way, cap and trade doesn't work.

Maybe a look into pollution and the drop in oxygen content, quality and the rise of oxygen related health issues?

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RE: Voice an Action - 3/5/2010 3:58:14 PM

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Maybe a look into pollution and the drop in oxygen content, quality and the rise of oxygen related health issues?

There has been a sharp rise in the number of children either born with or developing asthma in early childhood that coincides with increased air pollution.

ETA: Well, it doesn't make that link in that study, but other studies have shown that link. It's been a while since I've looked at this kind of data so pardon me. It's still an interesting article, though.

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RE: Voice an Action - 3/5/2010 4:10:07 PM

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they vote! sometimes! bwwhahaha

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RE: Voice an Action - 3/5/2010 4:29:20 PM

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Maybe a look into pollution and the drop in oxygen content, quality and the rise of oxygen related health issues?

There has been a sharp rise in the number of children either born with or developing asthma in early childhood that coincides with increased air pollution.

ETA: Well, it doesn't make that link in that study, but other studies have shown that link. It's been a while since I've looked at this kind of data so pardon me. It's still an interesting article, though.

I can't remember where I saw this but they were speaking about the decrease in the oxygen content from 1950 to present day. Form 20 or so percent to 18 or so now. Maybe it's gone up but I'd find that hard to believe with what seems like an ever expanding global community and usage of polluting substances. They are making advances in regulating things but to the point of recovery..I'm not sure about that.

Thanks for the link though. You've got me interested again now.

found this rather quickly but it's in no way a link I'd say is reliable. I'll keep looking.

http://www.thenaturalhealthplace.com/Articles/Oxygen.html

Here's an interesting time line chocked full of info.

http://www.google.com/#q=oxygen+content+of+air+history&hl=en&tbs=tl:1&tbo=u&ei=B6SRS6bLHtTrlAe9kNT7AQ&sa=X&oi=timeline_result&ct=title&resnum=11&ved=0CC4Q5wIwCg&fp=c5aa4278f68e4a4

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RE: Voice an Action - 3/5/2010 11:46:13 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Icarys

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ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

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Maybe a look into pollution and the drop in oxygen content, quality and the rise of oxygen related health issues?

There has been a sharp rise in the number of children either born with or developing asthma in early childhood that coincides with increased air pollution.

ETA: Well, it doesn't make that link in that study, but other studies have shown that link. It's been a while since I've looked at this kind of data so pardon me. It's still an interesting article, though.

I can't remember where I saw this but they were speaking about the decrease in the oxygen content from 1950 to present day. Form 20 or so percent to 18 or so now. Maybe it's gone up but I'd find that hard to believe with what seems like an ever expanding global community and usage of polluting substances. They are making advances in regulating things but to the point of recovery..I'm not sure about that.

Thanks for the link though. You've got me interested again now.

found this rather quickly but it's in no way a link I'd say is reliable. I'll keep looking.

http://www.thenaturalhealthplace.com/Articles/Oxygen.html

Here's an interesting time line chocked full of info.

http://www.google.com/#q=oxygen+content+of+air+history&hl=en&tbs=tl:1&tbo=u&ei=B6SRS6bLHtTrlAe9kNT7AQ&sa=X&oi=timeline_result&ct=title&resnum=11&ved=0CC4Q5wIwCg&fp=c5aa4278f68e4a4

Both sound very interesting, but I have to say that after having been educated in spotting reliable sources of information, your links lack references. That doesn't necesarily mean that the information they are trying to convey is wrong, it just means that without the references, it makes them less credible. Naturally, with a decrease in O2, we can expect to suffer health impacts, but where did they get this information? Are these hypotheses? It's hard to say from the links you presented. Anyone can make something sound convincing, but I've learned a lot about spotting valid data. I've spent a lot of money to do so. I've been fooled by false advertisement befrehand, too. These links could be represented by someone that did the research, but didn't know enough to convey their resources. But without those resources and the methodology they entailed, it's hard to say. I hope this helps.

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RE: Voice an Action - 3/6/2010 8:22:55 AM

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Both sound very interesting, but I have to say that after having been educated in spotting reliable sources of information, your links lack references. That doesn't necesarily mean that the information they are trying to convey is wrong, it just means that without the references, it makes them less credible. Naturally, with a decrease in O2, we can expect to suffer health impacts, but where did they get this information? Are these hypotheses? It's hard to say from the links you presented. Anyone can make something sound convincing, but I've learned a lot about spotting valid data. I've spent a lot of money to do so. I've been fooled by false advertisement befrehand, too. These links could be represented by someone that did the research, but didn't know enough to convey their resources. But without those resources and the methodology they entailed, it's hard to say. I hope this helps.

I believe I made it clear that the links weren't necessarily reliable. I didn't even check to see if they were cause it wasn't my intent to post them as such..I found them very quickly and they were just interesting.

Honestly it's hard to believe who is telling the truth anymore. Your CDC link is certainly "reliable" in a traditional governmental way but how reliable are they..Anyway, you get my point. It's not my intention to discount anything the CDC says for sure..I'm just a little skeptical about all info. Gotta start somewhere though, right? :>

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RE: Voice an Action - 3/6/2010 8:55:52 AM

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I am active in the Sierra Club, MoveOn, and my new fascination, the CoffeeParty- I am attending another meeting today.

The reason I like the CoffeeParty, is that it is dedicated to establishing a civil and reasoned dialogue among American citizens. We have nearly 100,000 members in just about a month, and while we all have different views, we are convinced that shouting down people at townhalls and blocking debate are un-American, contrary to the values that this country was founded on.

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RE: Voice an Action - 3/6/2010 12:24:22 PM

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I used to be active to very active in a lot of causes that I found valuable and that I thought had the potential to effect positive change in the country in which I live. I did volunteer work for a number of worthy causes, was a community organizer for inner-city non-profits for many years, started a program to teach computer skills and provide internet access to hundreds of inner-city residents back when the internet was new, designed and implemented a community anti-crime program that's still used by several communities 15 years later, was a campaign organizer and convention delegate for the local and state democratic party, and a half dozen other things that I don't even feel like typing out at the moment.

Now? I do occasional volunteer work for a few charities, and I'm a member of the local public radio and public television stations, Sierra Club, and a couple of wildlife funds. Anything I do on a volunteer basis is done on the neighborhood or even individual level, rather than local, state, or national. I live as green as possible, and try to make a positive difference in the lives of everyone i meet on a daily basis, but the only real change I'm trying to effect is that I'm focusing most of my time and effort on looking into the feasibility of getting out of the United States and moving to a more civilized country. The United States is in a state of collapse, and I have absolutely no reason to believe it's salvagable. There's no point at all in wasting any of my time or energy throwing teaspoons of water on a burning building, and I'd just as soon leave the place to the Sanities, the RealOnes, and the Cuckymans. The only thing that's really holding me back at the moment is the cost-effectiveness of moving lock, stock, and barrel halfway across the world. At my age, I won't live more than another quarter century, so it might be more cost-effective to carve out a life that allows me to isolate myself as much as possible from the society around me, bite the bullet and keep riding the train downhill for a couple more decades. We'll see. Over the next few months, my options and resources will become more clear, and I'd like to make a firm decision by the end of the year. But whether I stay or go, I've pretty much checked out of the States. It may still be my home, but it ain't where I live, and I'm really not going to waste any time trying make it something it can never be.

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RE: Voice an Action - 3/6/2010 1:53:19 PM

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Panda - Wow.

eyesopened - What a great thread you started! I think it's great you work from home. I'm not sure what skills I have that would be valuable to do in a tele-commuting way.

I have done volunteer work in the past and have been thinking about getting involved again (CASA, maybe). I need to do something to take me away from myself.

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RE: Voice an Action - 3/6/2010 1:56:46 PM

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they vote! sometimes! bwwhahaha

If that's all they do, it's still a fucksight more than you've ever done, isn't it?

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RE: Voice an Action - 3/6/2010 2:50:46 PM

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Hye Moonhead, he invented the fusion reactor, which will help billions of people and save the ecology over the next decade.

And he exposed us to the evils of the Jews.

How much else do you want from this supergenious....Hasn't he done enough?

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