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Fluid Identity - 3/30/2006 11:31:44 AM   
OneX2


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Status: offline 		Identity is a fluid thing. It is a interesting question in our daily life, as well as when we are in the moments of joy or sorrow- Just which is the person we are representing at that moment. The result may surprise you!

Think of this for a second. Who are you when you are speeding down the road in a sports car?

Who are you when you are speeding down the road in the family wagon?

I have got fire ball Jane from one girl and plain Jane for the second response.

Who are you when you are living up to your erotic potentials?

Who are you when you are just going through the motions?

The answers I got for this is a participating divinity, and day to day me.

It is often interesting to see how identity is revealed in the questions we ask ourselves, and it is a glimpse into how dynamic our lives are.

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RE: Fluid Identity - 3/30/2006 6:02:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Identity is something to wrestle with for humans through the ages.  You are talking about self-idenity, and I recommend having a look into "Siddhartha" (by Hesse) and the "Epic of Gilgamesh" (Sumerian myth) to add fuel to the fire in the head.

Identity to conscious society is sometimes a different matter ... check out the true story of Martin Guerre from 1500's france (they made a movie called The Return of Martin Guerre, a fictionalized American re-make version is called "Sommersby", but it is not nearly as good, and the plot had been changed)

Another good movie for Identiy issues is "Desperately Seeking Susan"

But the best one for the "divinity" self vs. "waking" self has to be The Fisher King.

At any rate, there is no real difference between the two ... we are all divine, and all human ... and all is part of the experience of all things.

fergus

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RE: Fluid Identity - 3/30/2006 7:48:27 PM   
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Not only that, but it seems your identity was edited by Moderator 12.

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RE: Fluid Identity - 4/1/2006 7:07:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		It seems we read the same books! Always good to find some one else who is actively seeking questions as well as answers.

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RE: Fluid Identity - 4/1/2006 4:50:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		You really want to read something mind blowing about how our hearts and minds work?

Have a read of "The Hero with a Thousand Faces" bu Joseph Campbell.

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RE: Fluid Identity - 4/1/2006 7:06:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I love Capbell just spoke to some one else about him. That really challenges the way you see yourself in the world. Stay in touch.

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RE: Fluid Identity - 4/2/2006 12:23:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		True, true.  I believe "Breakfast Club" had the right of it when it said we define ourselves with the most convenient definitions. We all have certain ways we act more often than others, certain ways we speak, and certain definitions that fit us best.  However, we are in many ways movable, changeable, fluid as you said.  All it might take is a few degrees change in temperature, a nice outfit, the right song on the radio, or a kind word and who we are at that moment is redefined.  Environment and company is key in who we are at any given moment.

To take it one step farther, have you ever noticed yourself acting differently around different groups of people?  I act differently around my parents, coworkers, grandparents, friends, and husband.  We all adopt phrases and mannerisms from those we spend time with; some good, some bad.  These behaviors tend to come out more when we're with the group we picked them up from.  The closest anyone can come to being truly 100% themself is when they are alone, when no one is watching.  Then there are no mannerisms to be used as a second nature, no subtle protocol for behavior.  That is when we are the most ourselves.

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RE: Fluid Identity - 4/2/2006 7:29:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Very good NOMC :)

I should add that we often are afraid of the concept of labels.  You sometimes hear people making ridiculous statements like "I don't use labels, I am me" ... well, they are HALF right!  Each of us is 'me'.  Let me illustrate two big concepts in that statement.

A) LABLES - We all wear lables.  Mother, Father, worker, teacher, student.  At one time or another, we are many laebls, often at once.  Labels are a HEALTHY form of communication and self-identification.  Our language is at once our greatest asset as a species, and a hinderance to our spiritual development.  Yet, it is part of the shared human experience.  We all wear labels, but the labes don't DEFINE who we are, they are merely and expression of a concept of a part of ourselves.  The trick is to waer the label, never to let the label wear you.

B) ME - Even your name is a label that does not speak entirely to the unconscious part of your inner self.  You divine essence.  Your name conveys a concept of who you are to the outside world and to yourself in your waking state, yet there is a much deeper level.  There is a part of you connected with all things, and at the same time uniquely you.  In english, we express this as personal pronouns, which are imperfect for conveying deeper spiritual concepts - but alas, all we have ;)

here is an example - when you walk into a room, and the person in there has heard you come in, but has not seen you, they might ask "Who is there?' - almost ALL of us, without even thinking, answer "It's me" before even considering our name.

Even our name is a label, and labels are healthy ... so long as you do not let them be all defining.

fergus

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RE: Fluid Identity - 4/2/2006 9:26:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's funny to me to hear that you are at most yourself when you are alone. I have always felt that you can't help being yourself. It is a strange reaction to define our selves or any one else by one trait, or even a few. A person is surrounded by this vast collection of traits, and that person is merely defining at that moment those He/she feels most comfortable, or feels fit the best.

I loved your breakfast club quote. Awesome!

Joseph

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RE: Fluid Identity - 4/2/2006 9:35:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		About 8 years ago as I was learning hypnosis I was regressed to a time between a life. A time where there was no connection, no memory, to this life. I than progressed through my life, and looked, and questioned. That experience broke many self limiting patterns I had and never knew. It also changed the way I look at myself and others. I use it today with clients and it is something I never really thought about, nor would have I have guessed would work. Strangely enough it was not so different than being very quiet inside, and simply being present in the moment now. The experience was completely empathic as you felt and the joy and sorrow.

Joseph

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RE: Fluid Identity - 4/2/2006 10:36:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fergus

A) LABLES - We all wear lables.  Mother, Father, worker, teacher, student.  At one time or another, we are many laebls, often at once.  Labels are a HEALTHY form of communication and self-identification.  Our language is at once our greatest asset as a species, and a hinderance to our spiritual development.  Yet, it is part of the shared human experience.  We all wear labels, but the labes don't DEFINE who we are, they are merely and expression of a concept of a part of ourselves.  The trick is to waer the label, never to let the label wear you.



Nicely said. 

my Master had me write an essay not too long ago, defining "Who am i and what does that mean to me?"  (He teaches me all sorts of self analysis exercises...heh).  i realized i am many things - and "me" is a combined package of all of those things.  i bring all of me to the table, because each part of me is effected by life in some way, and each part of me has an effect on life.  The key for me was to understand all of those parts, and how they merge together to make up the "me" that i am.  Those different parts of "me" might escalate to the forefront in various situations.  For example, when i am assisting my parents, the daughter that is me comes to the forefront.  When i am at work, the employee comes forward...and so on.  But this does not mean the rest of me is put away during that time.  i am always a daughter.  i am always a slave.  i am always a sister...and a friend.  i don't compartmentalize each piece away, but i may not be showing that piece of me in various environments.

Interesting topic.   :)

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RE: Fluid Identity - 4/2/2006 3:56:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		This just reminds me of the movie the runaway bride with Julia Roberts.  She never took time to get to know herself. 

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RE: Fluid Identity - 4/3/2006 10:40:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fergus, I just got a git not to long ago. It's Tao of Pooh. I just started to listen to it on tape. I love this subject and the way it is done. Have you ever heard of it?

Joseph

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RE: Fluid Identity - 4/3/2006 1:12:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OneX2

Fergus, I just got a git not to long ago. It's Tao of Pooh. I just started to listen to it on tape. I love this subject and the way it is done. Have you ever heard of it?

Joseph


Indeed I have ;)  Great book.

Though the 'sequel' .. The Te of Piglet ... I did not like so much ... seemed too preachy in an un-taoist type way (if that makes sense).

fergus

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RE: Fluid Identity - 4/3/2006 6:21:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I find it very intriguing that you feel you have different identities depending on what you are doing, or who you are with. I am me, no matter what I am doing, or who i am with, I am still the same me. I suspect it might be an age thing, after a 3-4 decades one just stops giving a damn what one seems like to the rest of the world.

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RE: Fluid Identity-Love laws - 4/5/2006 3:45:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		It may age, but do you really believe that you don't care to much about what others think of you. I  wonder because I remember my grandfather at the end of his life. He was ashamed people had to help him. In closing on a lighter note.

Murphy's love laws

All the good ones are taken.
If the person isn't taken, there's a reason.
The nicer someone is, the farther away (s)he is from you.
Brains x Beauty x Availability = Constant.
This constant is always zero.
The amount of love someone feels for you is inversely proportional to how much you love them.
Money can't buy love, but it sure gets you a great bargaining position.
The best things in the world are free --- and worth every penny of it.
Every kind action has a not-so-kind reaction.
Nice guys (girls) finish last.
The good ones die first.
If it seems too good to be true, it probably is.
Availability is a function of time. The minute you get interested is the minute they find someone else.
The more beautiful the woman is who loves you, the easier it is to leave her with no hard feelings.
Nothing improves with age.
No matter how many times you've had it, if it's offered take it, because it'll never be quite the same again.
Sex has no calories.
Sex takes up the least amount of time and causes the most amount of trouble.
There is no remedy for sex but more sex.
Sex appeal is 50% what you've got and 50% what people think you've got.
No sex with anyone in the same office.
Sex is like snow; you never know how many inches you are going to get or how long it is going to last.
A man in the house is worth two in the street.
If you get them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.
Virginity can be cured.

When a man's wife learns to understand him, she usually stops listening to him.
Never sleep with anyone crazier than yourself.
The qualities that most attract a woman to a man are usually the same ones she can't stand years later.
Sex is dirty only if it's done right.
It is always the wrong time of month.
The best way to hold a man is in your arms.
When the lights are out, all women are beautiful.
Sex is hereditary. If your parents never had it, chances are you won't either.
Sow your wild oats on Saturday night -- Then on Sunday pray for crop failure.
The game of love is never called off on account of darkness.
It was not the apple on the tree but the pair on the ground that caused the trouble in the garden.
Sex discriminates against the shy and the ugly.

Before you find your handsome prince, you've got to kiss a lot of frogs.
There may be some things better than sex, and some things worse than sex. But there is nothing exactly like it.
Love your neighbor, but don't get caught.
Love is a hole in the heart.
If the effort that went in research on the female bosom had gone into our space program, we would now be running hot-dog stands on the moon.
Love is a matter of chemistry, sex is a matter of physics.



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RE: Fluid Identity-Love laws - 4/5/2006 3:51:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I honestly and truely don't give a rat's ass what anybody thinks about me. I hope my kids like me (but if they don't, oh well), but other than that it really doesn't matter one whit to me.

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