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Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/5/2010 9:21:05 PM   
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The problem I have with this is the fact that schools these days seem to think they know better than the childrens' parents. "We'll teach em what we want them to know". There seems to be more of these type of incidents happening.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7237981

Oh yea. Ken is this that decent education you were talking about?

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/5/2010 9:35:01 PM   
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I see your frustration blacksword...read the article you posted, was most disturbed by the fact that the students were told 'not to tell their parents'. uhhggg

How about this game on my city's website...to teach kids 'sex safety',

http://www.healthunit.com/article.aspx?ID=15160

I played. The object of the game is to NOT get jizz on ya. If you get a wrong answer, the Sperminator squirts cum from his penis/hand at you. A big BLOB of GOO.

Makes me worry about the future of all yungins...this generation might have the oddest generation of forced-information of all time.

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/5/2010 9:41:13 PM   
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Well without details about exactly what was discussed, it is really difficult to determine how inappropriate it actually was.

This happened at a middle school. Ten is not the age of a middle school kid. Middle school is typically 6th, 7th and 8th grade. Most 6th graders are 12, not 10.

Students are talk sex education in school because those parents who are always complaining about it DON'T teach their kids about sex at all, and then the kids learn it from their friends, which is never good.

It's pretty easy to say that you want to teach your child about sex and not the school. But then you have to do it, and you need to do it before your kid has already started having sex, which sadly is around middle school age for far too many kids.

My son learned about sex from school and from what I taught him. He has known from a very early age that he can ask me any questions he wanted to about sex and I would answer appropriately for his age. His friends have come to me to ask me questions and they have gotten answers as well. Before anyone starts bitching about me telling other people's kids things, these are kids over 14 and they didn't want to ask their parents, AND they were already sexually active.

The fact that this was an unscheduled discussion and no one was notified ahead of time IS an issue. But a 10 year old who is "humiliated" just by the mention of the word "sex?" Yea, her mom wasn't likely planning on teaching her about it anyway.

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/5/2010 9:45:37 PM   
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Lafayettelady, wondering what age do they start teaching it there, where you are?? Do they send consent forms home?

They begin at 3rd grade here, NO consent was sent, I was mortified. I didn't even expect to even ask in advance if it was on the cirriculum.

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/5/2010 9:51:01 PM   
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I'm troubled by the claim that a 10 year old was present for a graphic discussion of sex and that the kids were told not to tell their parents. However middle school is where sex ed needs to be happening and it needs to be real sex ed not the silly abstinence only that has caused teen pregnacy rates to go up again after more than a decade of decline.

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/5/2010 9:54:44 PM   
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I see your frustration blacksword...read the article you posted, was most disturbed by the fact that the students were told 'not to tell their parents'. uhhggg

How about this game on my city's website...to teach kids 'sex safety',

http://www.healthunit.com/article.aspx?ID=15160

I played. The object of the game is to NOT get jizz on ya. If you get a wrong answer, the Sperminator squirts cum from his penis/hand at you. A big BLOB of GOO.

Makes me worry about the future of all yungins...this generation might have the oddest generation of forced-information of all time.


Ok, that was a bit worrisome, but a kind of fun game, lol.

"Forcing" kids to learn the facts about sex and STDs is not a bad thing.

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/5/2010 10:00:27 PM   
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Lafayettelady, wondering what age do they start teaching it there, where you are?? Do they send consent forms home?

They begin at 3rd grade here, NO consent was sent, I was mortified. I didn't even expect to even ask in advance if it was on the cirriculum.


You say they "begin." Exactly what does "begin" mean? In elementary school, which in the US consists of Kindergarten through 5th or 6th grade (depending on where you are, most end at 5th now), the children are separated and then taught about their bodies. They are taught about menstruation and what to expect as their bodies change. In some areas, they may also learn that sperm fertilizes an egg and results in pregnancy. It is VERY age appropriate. When I was in school, it was done in 5th grade. Since then that class has been done earlier, primarily because girls have gotten their first period earlier.

I'm really curious what your child was taught that has you (who is ironically on a BDSM website) has you so mortified?

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/5/2010 10:04:50 PM   
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Ok, that was a bit worrisome, but a kind of fun game, lol.

"Forcing" kids to learn the facts about sex and STDs is not a bad thing.


I don't think a game, that makes a teeny giggle and think the goo is 'cute' (or even scary) is productive...or fun. They only way it is remotely fun is because it gives them something to joke about. In that case, they are likely not to take the subject more seriously.

and forcing kids to learn the facts of life, is and can be a good thing. Force implies, a very strict ritual to get a point across, instead of listening and being attentive to know when a youth is 'ready' or not for such a talk. Often 'forcing' is likely to be more detrimental, than helpful. We all know of the big growns from the ones who think they know it all when the time might be too late (the kid rolls his/her eyes and sits awkwardly--as does the parent). If it is forced, persay, it is not really getting the point across in a positive light. IMO

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You say they "begin." Exactly what does "begin" mean? In elementary school,


begin sex ed, third grade. Ours go from K - 8. Yours seems to begin at 5th, that seems a little more appropriate and rational. Did you get consent forms? or was it well known to be in the cirriculum??

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I'm really curious what your child was taught that has you (who is ironically on a BDSM website) has you so mortified?
What does my internet choice have to do with my desire to choose my own um's education--in any field? Are we lesser of parents because we are here? We should be more lax with our um's guidelines??

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/5/2010 10:17:58 PM   
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Well without details about exactly what was discussed, it is really difficult to determine how inappropriate it actually was.

This happened at a middle school. Ten is not the age of a middle school kid. Middle school is typically 6th, 7th and 8th grade. Most 6th graders are 12, not 10.

LL nailed it. The article is quite sketchy on several fronts.


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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/5/2010 10:30:30 PM   
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Well without details about exactly what was discussed, it is really difficult to determine how inappropriate it actually was.

This happened at a middle school. Ten is not the age of a middle school kid. Middle school is typically 6th, 7th and 8th grade. Most 6th graders are 12, not 10.


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LL nailed it. The article is quite sketchy on several fronts.


The article quotes enough info... the um mentioned

"Laura says her decade-old daughter was at that assembly and is emotionally devastated."

That is approx. just under-middle, since your students go to gr. 12 as ours do.

Unless it was for the older ones (that are legally allowed to get state sactioned birth control without a parents consent) then I don't see how teaching it without proper notice also falls under the same category.

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/5/2010 10:45:24 PM   
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The article quotes enough info... the um mentioned

"Laura says her decade-old daughter was at that assembly and is emotionally devastated."

That is approx. just under-middle, since your students go to gr. 12 as ours do.

Unless it was for the older ones (that are legally allowed to get state sactioned birth control without a parents consent) then I don't see how teaching it without proper notice also falls under the same category.

No, it's not enough info. Nothing was said in the article about the exact content of the speech, so we can only speculate on what was said. "Laura" is obviously upset about the whole thing, and may well be exaggerating and/or projecting that when she speaks about her daughter being "devastated". Hell, I was pretty devastated when , at age 10, I was told that I would spend about one week a month leaking blood out of my nether regions for most of my life. Should I not have been told that?


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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/5/2010 10:49:42 PM   
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I don't think a game, that makes a teeny giggle and think the goo is 'cute' (or even scary) is productive...or fun. They only way it is remotely fun is because it gives them something to joke about. In that case, they are likely not to take the subject more seriously.


Actually, studies have shown that when making something into a game of sorts, the kids will still remember what they learned in the game.

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and forcing kids to learn the facts of life, is and can be a good thing. Force implies, a very strict ritual to get a point across, instead of listening and being attentive to know when a youth is 'ready' or not for such a talk. Often 'forcing' is likely to be more detrimental, than helpful. We all know of the big growns from the ones who think they know it all when the time might be too late (the kid rolls his/her eyes and sits awkwardly--as does the parent). If it is forced, persay, it is not really getting the point across in a positive light. IMO


Force doesn't imply a "very strict ritual." Learning facts is not going to be detrimental. We easily decide at what time a child is ready to learn the alphabet or algabra. Obviously, when they reach the teenage years it is too late, hence the "growns" (could you possibly have meant "groans?").

The *basics* of sex education.....Tab A is inserted in slot B does get the point across. Yes, some kids will be embarassed, some kids will make jokes. Why? Most often because they have parents at home that have, whether by word or action, taught them that sex is something to be embarassed about.

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begin sex ed, third grade. Ours go from K - 8. Yours seems to begin at 5th, that seems a little more appropriate and rational. Did you get consent forms? or was it well known to be in the cirriculum??


Begin, as in WHAT are they teaching them? Are they teaching them how to properly put on a condom? Or are they teaching them that girls will begin to menstruate and they will all grow some hair where there wasn't any before? Sex education covers more than just vaginal intercourse.

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What does my internet choice have to do with my desire to choose my own um's education--in any field? Are we lesser of parents because we are here? We should be more lax with our um's guidelines??


Your participation in this website would imply that you are less sexually inhibited.

You still didn't answer the question though. What exactly did they teach your child that has you so mortified? Because yea, it does make a difference. If you are mortified because your child learned about menstruation and that they would begin to perspire more and need deodorant (also part of sex ed), you are over reacting. If your 3rd grader spent a 45 minute class period learning how to put a condom on a banana, then there might be a problem that you should look into.




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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/5/2010 11:03:59 PM   
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Force doesn't imply a "very strict ritual." Learning facts is not going to be detrimental. We easily decide at what time a child is ready to learn the alphabet or algabra. Obviously, when they reach the teenage years it is too late, hence the "growns" (could you possibly have meant "groans?").
That is why there is a difference between the two words: force and teach. and Yes, ty :) I meant groans.

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Begin, as in WHAT are they teaching them? Are they teaching them how to properly put on a condom? Or are they teaching them that girls will begin to menstruate and they will all grow some hair where there wasn't any before? Sex education covers more than just vaginal intercourse.
Begin as in 'any' entirety of the topic.

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Your participation in this website would imply that you are less sexually inhibited.
says who? There are no shy people here? or those with other lesser experience? Law prevails that when you sign up ..you MUST automatically be..experienced and uninhibited? is that in the TOS?

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You still didn't answer the question though. What exactly did they teach your child that has you so mortified? Because yea, it does make a difference. If you are mortified because your child learned about menstruation and that they would begin to perspire more and need deodorant (also part of sex ed), you are over reacting. If your 3rd grader spent a 45 minute class period learning how to put a condom on a banana, then there might be a problem that you should look into.


That, is not something I am willing to discuss here. I am not the person named in the content of the OP's article. and frankly, that is not your business. The subject matter was taught without forethought of the local area giving notice. THAT is the topic at hand. Not my own lil ones. I mentioned it was taught in this province
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They begin at 3rd grade here, NO consent was sent, I was mortified. I didn't even expect to even ask in advance if it was on the cirriculum.
at a certain timespan in the education system. I chose not to give further details.

You may call it uptight, I call it not being willing to discussing the deeper details with you. Is that OK with you? or is that against your rules also?

You imply that we are less likely to be inhibited here, then want me to go into detail of a personal nature about my um? Knock it off, seriously. This isn't about my situation. I refuse to be less inhibited on the subject of my under-agers.

This is about a situation that is nation/world wide that needs further consideration into what is appropriate--by parents, not by the education/government systems.







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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/5/2010 11:31:44 PM   
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I see your frustration blacksword...read the article you posted, was most disturbed by the fact that the students were told 'not to tell their parents'. uhhggg

How about this game on my city's website...to teach kids 'sex safety',

http://www.healthunit.com/article.aspx?ID=15160

I played. The object of the game is to NOT get jizz on ya. If you get a wrong answer, the Sperminator squirts cum from his penis/hand at you. A big BLOB of GOO.

Makes me worry about the future of all yungins...this generation might have the oddest generation of forced-information of all time.


That game was raunchy and a little nasty. Might be fine for high school kids. But for middle school they need to tone down the sexuality of it. It would be considered inappropriate for a kid to come to school with to penis-like attachments to his hands with slimy goo leaking out. A game is a good idea. But wrong game.

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/5/2010 11:43:31 PM   
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I agree. It also caused quite the ruckus in the local paper for that reason.

I know of college-agers who gasped, laughed, then gasped again. Confusing topic., for all.

Yet, with each generation, there seems to be a 'desensitizing-effect' in process--under the guise of the 'sex-ed agenda'.

Yeah, shoot me, I am old fashioned. (OOps sorry, I meant 'inhibited' when it comes to sex ed for minors). That is apparently a crime *gasps* to some ^. LOL How something like that slipped by me, is seriously beyond me. I should have known better. Not because I was inhibited, I worked for THAT B of E. But, I also had a lot of other things going on. *oh the guilt.

We can't keep them innocent forever, but, as parents we have to pay more attention and more proactive (I learned my lesson) and NOT allow things like this to go on--despite someone else who is 'less inhibited' assuming they will choose what is right for your um when it comes to sex, religion, or morality in general.

Because afterall, the one thing we wish we still had, as we grow older...is youth and innocence. Those two things, once gone, NEVER come back.

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/5/2010 11:58:58 PM   
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I agree. It also caused quite the ruckus in the local paper for that reason.

I know of college-agers who gasped, laughed, then gasped again. Confusing topic., for all.

Yet, with each generation, there seems to be a 'desensitizing-effect' in process--under the guise of the 'sex-ed agenda'.

Yeah, shoot me, I am old fashioned. (OOps sorry, I meant 'inhibited' when it comes to sex ed for minors). That is apparently a crime *gasps* to some ^. LOL How something like that slipped by me, is seriously beyond me. I should have known better.

Luckily that is why, as parents we have to pay more attention and more proactive (I learned my lesson) and NOT allow things like this to go on--despite someone else who is 'less inhibited' assuming they will choose what is right for your um when it comes to sex, religion, or morality in general.


These schools are almost like th Feds. You have to always keep your eye on them.

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/6/2010 12:11:26 AM   
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These schools are almost like th Feds. You have to always keep your eye on them.


Oh don't I know it (now). I was RIGHT THERE (but working with the 5-6th graders) part time but going to uni. at the same time. Sometimes something right under your nose...makes you blind because you assume since you rule your world--all will be fine n dandy. I only took that job (imagine that) to be close to my um, always there 'just in case' and all that over-protective hoo-haw. Seems no matter what we try to do, sometimes doesn't work 100% as we plan.

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/6/2010 12:37:18 AM   
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Begin as in 'any' entirety of the topic.


"Any" and "entirety" are two different things. Like I said earlier and WyldHrt mentioned, learning about menstruation is gonna happen. It is no where near the same as teaching about birth control

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Your participation in this website would imply that you are less sexually inhibited.
says who? There are no shy people here? or those with other lesser experience? Law prevails that when you sign up ..you MUST automatically be..experienced and uninhibited? is that in the TOS?


Again, know the difference between being "shy" and being sexually inhibited, and "experienced."


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That, is not something I am willing to discuss here. I am not the person named in the content of the OP's article. and frankly, that is not your business. The subject matter was taught without forethought of the local area giving notice. THAT is the topic at hand. Not my own lil ones. I mentioned it was taught in this province
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They begin at 3rd grade here, NO consent was sent, I was mortified. I didn't even expect to even ask in advance if it was on the cirriculum.
at a certain timespan in the education system. I chose not to give further details.

You imply that we are less likely to be inhibited here, then want me to go into detail of a personal nature about my um? Knock it off, seriously. This isn't about my situation. I refuse to be less inhibited on the subject of my under-agers.


Yes, you did choose not to give further details. Which is likely because it was the very basics such as menstruation, nocturnal emissions and growing hair in funny places. I asked you what your school district taught, not what questions your kid came home asking you. To be perfectly honest with you, the fact that you say you work for the local board of education and was completely unaware is really amusing to me. I have known practically every little detail about my son's education throughout his whole life, and continue to be as well informed now that he is in high school. Perhaps you might want to consider actually paying a bit more attention to what your kid is doing.

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This is about a situation that is nation/world wide that needs further consideration into what is appropriate--by parents, not by the education/government systems.


Again, the whole reason that sex education started even being taught in schools was because people, apparently just like you, were failing to provide their children with the information needed. While it was only a story, I'm sure every female on CM remembers the scene in "Carrie" where Carrie got her first period and had absolutely no idea what was happening. Only a story, but things like that have happened.

You don't want your child to know what causes pregnancy? That's all fine and dandy, but don't be surprised if they come home one day not knowing how the hell they got pregnant. You want complete control over what your child learns in school? Home school them. Sex education in schools has never consisted of "inappropriate" material. It starts in elementary school and continues into high school, with more details being given along the way, as appropriate. Not every school system hands out birth control (I know the local high school here doesn't). I do know that even with the sex education that IS taught in the school systems, there is a whole lot of information that the kids still don't get. I know this, because of the number of kids who will talk to me about these things.

If you are inhibited about sex, if you don't talk to your child and provide them with age appropriate answers, they WILL get information on the playground and more often than not it will be wrong. If you are inhibited (or shy as you seem to prefer), then your kid won't feel like they can talk to you about it and again, will get information from their friends.

This concept that if the schools teach the kids, they are interfering with the parents and the values they want their children to have is nonsense. If you have done a good job instilling your values, then you shouldn't be afraid that someone else is going to change their mind. Hell, KKK members instill their warped racist views into their kids from birth. The school system teaches them that racism is bad, but that doesn't mean it will change their views. Thankfully, in that example, sometimes it will, but the point is that if your child is going to be led down the path of "depravity" to have premarital sex, you can't blame it on the school.

As for the mother in the article, the only thing the school did wrong was telling the students "not to tell their parents." Quite frankly, I think that there is a good chance that there are some very pertinent facts missing from that article and things are much different than what they seem.

As for you came4u, you might want to consider becoming a bit more involved in knowing what is going on with your kid's schooling so you don't get anymore "mortifying" surprises.






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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/6/2010 12:56:00 AM   
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"Any" and "entirety" are two different things. Like I said earlier and WyldHrt mentioned, learning about menstruation is gonna happen. It is no where near the same as teaching about birth control


is 'any' of the entirety (subject in general) hard to understand? They are two different words, which are included in the sentence. You figure it out.

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Again, know the difference between being "shy" and being sexually inhibited, and "experienced."


and??? so?

what does that have to do with the price of tea in ..Dubai?

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Yes, you did choose not to give further details. Which is likely because it was the very basics such as menstruation, nocturnal emissions and growing hair in funny places. I asked you what your school district taught, not what questions your kid came home asking you. To be perfectly honest with you, the fact that you say you work for the local board of education and was completely unaware is really amusing to me. I have known practically every little detail about my son's education throughout his whole life, and continue to be as well informed now that he is in high school. Perhaps you might want to consider actually paying a bit more attention to what your kid is doing.


You also chose not to reply to when I asked you:
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What does my internet choice have to do with my desire to choose my own um's education--in any field? Are we lesser of parents because we are here? We should be more lax with our um's guidelines??


Are you exclaiming that us/here/I should be more apt to tell more about sex at a younger age than any other person? Who gave you Godess over that rulebook? Are you claiming that YOU are the better parent because you tell your ums more than I do, at a younger age? And what does that have to do with being here? What are you calling us? Because we are here, we must naturally be perverts and unfit, not to mention we must by necessity be more 'cool' about teaching the youth, about sex ed. What next? They should all drive by 9 because I signed up for the AAA website--that would make me more reliable or 'fit' to teach someone to drive? It is a website. It isn't the 'personna' of an entity/person. *Unless this IS YOUR entirety and personna 24/7 to be a switchy-kinda wishy-washy person., who seems confused about reality.

I believe telling you ONCE not to ask about that content is ENOUGH.

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I have known practically every little detail about my son's education throughout his whole life, and continue to be as well informed now that he is in high school. Perhaps you might want to consider actually paying a bit more attention to what your kid is doing.


It is that 'practically' that you have to worry about. I pay fine attention to what HE is doing, I have mentioned I made the mistake of assuming what the SCHOOL was doing was appropriate. Big difference. HE wasn't the one walking around any schoolground teaching sex ed. Which is where I would see him (since I worked there). Did you hang around your um's school or get a job there so you would know all of these 'almost every details'? I did.

As for the other nonsense you ramble about. Not going there. Again, you don't understand that I am sticking to the limits of the topic., you choose to be ...nosey. (meaning: It is obviously a sore spot, which I and others have delt with ..against the board, not going there). Mind your business. Besides, I don't know why you would jump ahead and assume that 3rd graders would be taught about menses or hair??? are you ok? seriously?? Your mind is certainly...wandering. I'd certainly say you are 'uninhibited', oook well, no, well beyond that. Odd is more like it.

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As for you came4u, you might want to consider becoming a bit more involved in knowing what is going on with your kid's schooling so you don't get anymore "mortifying" surprises.


So, as far as you have blathered off, about your um
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now that he is in high school.
. Guess what? I have 3 who are done university, married and obviously my youngest is now in college. You have a lot of nerve being here (we should check the timestaps of every posting) because if we did, we would see that you might be here within timeframes that perhaps you should be keeping track of YOUR youngin. I suggest you try having 2 jobs, university and children. Instead of having plenty of time to tell others here who DON'T answer your creepy questions about their children, you should be watching YOUR own.










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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/6/2010 4:50:06 AM   
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Guys, read the article carefully.  Note the following:

1.The talk was supposed to be motivational, about some kind of standardized testing.  It was misrepresented.
2. The principal was asked to leave before the talk.
3. The talk was given only to the girls.
4. The talk was delivered by a school board member.
5. The girls were told not to tell their parents.

I wonder if there were allegations locally of girls getting fondled or molested, and Price took it upon herself to "educate" the schoolgirls.  The fact that the principal was asked to leave makes me wonder if he was involved in those rumors. The fact that he did leave when asked absolutely astounds me, as does the fact that the teachers didn't stop Price.

Or maybe she's just an idiot.

Even if you agree with the idea of having sex education, you have to agree that this was an inappropriate way to do it.


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