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Brain -> Gays in Antigay States Prone to Depression/Vatican hit by gay sex scandal | World news | guardian.co (3/5/2010 10:22:53 PM)


No doubt, not a great deal of tolerance and understanding for the LGBT communities. 

Gays in Antigay States Prone to Depression
 
Gays and lesbians who live in states that ban same-sex marriage — such as Mississippi — are more likely to suffer from alcoholism, mood disorders, or anxiety, according to a study by the American Public Health Association.

Researchers report that gay people who live in states prohibiting legal recognition for same-sex couples are 248.2% more likely to experience general anxiety than those in states without such bans. Residents of antigay states are also 41.9% more likely to suffer from alcoholism, 36.6% more likely to have a mood disorder, and 36.3% more likely to have psychiatric comorbidity, or simultaneous presence of two disorders.



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"Balducci was arrested on 10 February, suspected of involvement in widespread corruption. A senior Italian government official, he is alleged to have to steered public works contracts towards favoured bidders. He has not been charged."

"Balducci is also a senior adviser to the Congregation for the Evangelisation of Peoples, the department that oversees the Roman Catholic church's worldwide missionary activities."

Wow, so he was really an all-around kind of guy.

Your tithe money at work!
 
Vatican hit by gay sex scandal | World news | guardian.co.uk

Pope Benedict XVI greets cardinals in the Clementine Hall at the Vatican. Photograph: Max Rossi/AFP/Getty Images
 
The Vatican was today rocked by a sex scandal reaching into Pope Benedict's household after a chorister was sacked for allegedly procuring male prostitutes for a papal gentleman-in-waiting.

Angelo Balducci, a Gentleman of His Holiness, was caught by police on a wiretap allegedly negotiating with Thomas Chinedu Ehiem, a 29-year-old Vatican chorister, over the specific physical details of men he wanted brought to him. Transcripts in the possession of the Guardian suggest that numerous men may have been procured for Balducci, at least one of whom was studying for the priesthood.

The explosive claims about Balducci's private life have caused grave embarrassment to the Vatican, which has yet to publicly comment on the affair.

While Catholicism does not condemn homosexuality outright, its teaching is that homosexual acts "are intrinsically disordered". The Catechism of the Catholic church states unequivocally: "Under no circumstances can they be approved."

Balducci was arrested on 10 February, suspected of involvement in widespread corruption. A senior Italian government official, he is alleged to have to steered public works contracts towards favoured bidders. He has not been charged.

It was during this investigation into corruption that wiretaps revealed his alleged sexual activity. In one conversation, Ehiem tells Balducci: "I saw your call when I was in the Vatican, because I was doing rehearsals … in the choir … in St Peter's." He then suggests Balducci meet a man who he describes is "two metres tall … 97 kilos … aged 33, completely active."

Balducci is also a senior adviser to the Congregation for the Evangelisation of Peoples, the department that oversees the Roman Catholic church's worldwide missionary activities.
Since 1995, he has been a member of one of the world's most exclusive fraternities – the Gentlemen of His Holiness, or Papal Gentlemen, the ceremonial ushers of the papal household. In the words of a 1968 ordinance, they are expected to "distinguish themselves for the good of souls and the glory of the name of the Lord".

According to a report by the Carabinieri for prosecutors in Florence investigating the corruption scandal, there was a hidden side to Balducci's life. "In order to organise casual encounters of a sexual nature, he availed himself of the intercession of two individuals who, it is maintained, may form part of an organised network, especially active in [Rome], of exploiters or at least facilitators of male prostitution."

It named one as Ehiem, a professional chorister born in Nigeria. According to Italian press reports, Ehiem, a member of the choir that sings in St Peters when the pope is not officiating, lost his job on Wednesday after details of the Florence investigation became known to the Vatican.

In an interview to be published tomorrow by the news magazine Panorama, Ehiem said he had been introduced to Balducci more than 10 years ago. He claims: "He asked me if I could procure other men for him. He told me he was married and that I had to do it in great secrecy."

There were conflicting accounts of how the Vatican might respond. According to one source, there was no provision for the dismissal of a Gentleman of His Holiness. Another said: "We shall wait for the judiciary's definitive verdict."

The transcripts imply that over a period of around five months in 2008, Ehiem procured for Balducci at least 10 contacts with, among others, "two black Cuban lads", a former male model from Naples, and a rugby player from Rome.

Balducci's lawyer, Franco Coppi, said tonight: "I have no comment. First, because we have more serious questions to tackle. Second, if these claims are correct, they regard his private life. It is disgraceful that these transcripts, which have nothing to do with the case, should have been spread about."

In January this year, the Carabinieri recorded an exchange in which Balducci and Ehiem discuss a seminarian, or student for the priesthood. Balducci is said to have asked: "Listen, have you spoken with the seminarian by any chance?" Ehiem says he is "probably at mass or something". On 11 January, Ehiem calls again to recommend "a colleague, a friend" of the seminarian because the latter is unavailable. He says the colleague is "better, taller, a bit taller than you". Later, Ehiem asks: "Can I send [him] around straight away?"

He asks where Balducci is. The adviser says: "Up at the seminary … where the cardinal lives." Ehiem replies: "He could get there within half an hour … the time it takes to catch a taxi and get there."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/04/vatican-gay-sex-scandal
 
 




eyesopened -> RE: Gays in Antigay States Prone to Depression/Vatican hit by gay sex scandal | World news | guardian.co (3/6/2010 3:02:21 AM)

So.... You advocate tolerance for the gay community unless they are Catholic?

*hands Brain another roll of tin foil*  Dude, you are gonna need a bigger hat.




GotSteel -> RE: Gays in Antigay States Prone to Depression/Vatican hit by gay sex scandal | World news | guardian.co (3/6/2010 8:23:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

So.... You advocate tolerance for the gay community unless they are Catholic?

*hands Brain another roll of tin foil*  Dude, you are gonna need a bigger hat.

Not to defend brain's weird lumped together posting, but I suspect that what he's condemning is hypocrisy and possibly prostitution and I’m a bit skeptical that you didn’t realize this as well.




eyesopened -> RE: Gays in Antigay States Prone to Depression/Vatican hit by gay sex scandal | World news | guardian.co (3/7/2010 3:17:22 AM)

If someone wants to condem hypocrisy then this weird lumping together did more to highlight his own. 

On one hand... advocates tolerance.  On the other hand is a hate-monger against Catholics.
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ORIGINAL: Brain

And I should add especially Scalia, Roberts, Alito and Thomas of the United States Supreme Court, right-wing extremists.  I wouldn't be surprised if they are all Roman Catholics. By the way does anybody know if George Bush became a Roman Catholic as was rumored?


He hasn't said anything specific about prostitution in any thread of his that I've seen.

But hypocrisy.... He needs only to look in the mirror.






GotSteel -> RE: Gays in Antigay States Prone to Depression/Vatican hit by gay sex scandal | World news | guardian.co (3/7/2010 8:39:08 AM)

There is a reason I tend to have Brain on my blocked list.




LadyEllen -> RE: Gays in Antigay States Prone to Depression/Vatican hit by gay sex scandal | World news | guardian.co (3/7/2010 8:48:23 AM)

Both stories are about the repression of homosexual behaviour and the effects that has. In the one instance a noted increase in psychological illness rates and in the other the subterfuges that those affected must go to in order to prevent discovery and the problems awaiting should they fail in that endeavour.

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GotSteel -> RE: Gays in Antigay States Prone to Depression/Vatican hit by gay sex scandal | World news | guardian.co (3/7/2010 4:21:16 PM)

That is a good point., quite plausibly the one brain was trying to make. It’s always nice when someone explains their link instead of copying it. That tends to leave me feeling kind of spammed. Brain, I know you have trouble typing, have you considered video blogging or speech to text?


P.S. What does a papal gentleman-in-waiting do anyway(besides the male prostitutes)?




Brain -> RE: Gays in Antigay States Prone to Depression/Vatican hit by gay sex scandal | World news | guardian.co (3/7/2010 5:14:08 PM)

A friend of mine is a catholic priest and he is gay. Don’t put ridiculous words in my mouth, it's annoying and I don't appreciate it.  I think gay Catholics and all homosexuals, regardless of their religion, have the right to get married and be miserable just like the rest of us.  
 
Not that you're going to waste your time doing so but prove it to me that I said gay Catholics don't deserve tolerance.


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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

So.... You advocate tolerance for the gay community unless they are Catholic?

*hands Brain another roll of tin foil*  Dude, you are gonna need a bigger hat.




Brain -> RE: Gays in Antigay States Prone to Depression/Vatican hit by gay sex scandal | World news | guardian.co (3/7/2010 5:16:23 PM)

Exactly right, and I think she's just trying to annoy me probably because I can't find God.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel


quote:

ORIGINAL: eyesopened

So.... You advocate tolerance for the gay community unless they are Catholic?

*hands Brain another roll of tin foil*  Dude, you are gonna need a bigger hat.

Not to defend brain's weird lumped together posting, but I suspect that what he's condemning is hypocrisy and possibly prostitution and I’m a bit skeptical that you didn’t realize this as well.





Brain -> RE: Gays in Antigay States Prone to Depression/Vatican hit by gay sex scandal | World news | guardian.co (3/7/2010 5:20:47 PM)

I'm getting tough on the Catholic Church is intolerant and I am sick and tired of their bullshit.  Like not doing stem cell research to help sick people because embryos have souls - Ridiculous!

quote:

ORIGINAL: eyesopened

If someone wants to condem hypocrisy then this weird lumping together did more to highlight his own. 

On one hand... advocates tolerance.  On the other hand is a hate-monger against Catholics.
quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

And I should add especially Scalia, Roberts, Alito and Thomas of the United States Supreme Court, right-wing extremists.  I wouldn't be surprised if they are all Roman Catholics. By the way does anybody know if George Bush became a Roman Catholic as was rumored?


He hasn't said anything specific about prostitution in any thread of his that I've seen.

But hypocrisy.... He needs only to look in the mirror.







LadyAngelika -> RE: Gays in Antigay States Prone to Depression/Vatican hit by gay sex scandal | World news | guardian.co (3/7/2010 5:28:02 PM)

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A friend of mine is a catholic priest and he is gay.  


As a Catholic priest, he took an oath of abstinence. He can't have sex and is supposed to suppress all thoughts of sex.

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I think gay Catholics and all homosexuals, regardless of their religion, have the right to get married and be miserable just like the rest of us.


It's great that you think that. However, you thinking it is not going to change the reality that at this time in history, the Catholic church will not bless a gay marriage. They will have to get married under the banner of another institution if they wish to do so.

As for being married and miserable, I suggest that if people are miserable in their marriage that they either fix it or end it for the sake of everyone involved in it.

- LA




DommeInDelaware -> RE: Gays in Antigay States Prone to Depression/Vatican hit by gay sex scandal | World news | guardian.co (3/7/2010 5:34:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Brain

Exactly right, and I think she's just trying to annoy me probably because I can't find God.


Where did you see him last? Did you look behind the couch?




servantforuse -> RE: Gays in Antigay States Prone to Depression/Vatican hit by gay sex scandal | World news | guardian.co (3/7/2010 5:41:25 PM)

Every day of every week, Brain finds something else to worry about.




Aneirin -> RE: Gays in Antigay States Prone to Depression/Vatican hit by gay sex scandal | World news | guardian.co (3/7/2010 5:45:06 PM)

For a human to sucessfully repress any thoughts of sex, constitutes a non human, anything other ain't natural, we are despite what some believe are of animal kind, we are pre programmed to further the species, hence the liking for sexual intercourse, it is us as animals. Given what we now know, sex can be less hazardous as far as sprog resulting is concerned, but I believe it is understood, in practising for the species enhancing act, we like to practice, just so we know when it comes to the crunch we understand how to do it right, and undoubtedly ensure a better sprogling, if that matters at all, but it is a good excuse for a good fuck.

We are not all wired the same and if god created man, then he created the differences, those of the LGBT community are also gods work, why he did, if he did, is his problem, maybe he set a variable to teach him what he does not know.




GotSteel -> RE: Gays in Antigay States Prone to Depression/Vatican hit by gay sex scandal | World news | guardian.co (3/7/2010 6:13:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DommeInDelaware


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ORIGINAL: Brain

Exactly right, and I think she's just trying to annoy me probably because I can't find God.


Where did you see him last? Did you look behind the couch?

I found him, he was on this piece of toast.

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eyesopened -> RE: Gays in Antigay States Prone to Depression/Vatican hit by gay sex scandal | World news | guardian.co (3/8/2010 5:52:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Brain

I'm getting tough on the Catholic Church is intolerant and I am sick and tired of their bullshit.  Like not doing stem cell research to help sick people because embryos have souls - Ridiculous!

quote:

ORIGINAL: eyesopened

If someone wants to condem hypocrisy then this weird lumping together did more to highlight his own. 

On one hand... advocates tolerance.  On the other hand is a hate-monger against Catholics.
quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

And I should add especially Scalia, Roberts, Alito and Thomas of the United States Supreme Court, right-wing extremists.  I wouldn't be surprised if they are all Roman Catholics. By the way does anybody know if George Bush became a Roman Catholic as was rumored?


He hasn't said anything specific about prostitution in any thread of his that I've seen.

But hypocrisy.... He needs only to look in the mirror.






Hate to break this to you but the Catholic Church doesn't do stem cell research because it's a religion not a research laboratory.  Scientists do stem cell research, not churches.

I could care less about your finding God.  Why bother to look if It doesn't exist.  You say you cannot accept blind faith, you need scientific proof but you declare that
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ORIGINAL: Brain
I forgot to say I consider myself objective.  If Republicans ever have a good idea or do something right I will be the first to say so but unfortunately it's true they are 100% corrupt, so it's extremely unlikely to happen in the near future.
And there is no scientific proof that is IS true, you just say it.
 You also make the declaration:
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ORIGINAL: Brain
I reluctantly admit you guys are probably right that these guns are made in the north..... but I know guns are made in Texas and some other states in the South.


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ORIGINAL: Brain
I really don't know where the gun was manufactured because I'm not a gun person. 
I don't like hypocrisy.
you can't deny it happens a lot, guns migrate from the south

So you have proof that guns are not manufactured in the south but because of your bigotry you just "know" they are.  Yet someone can "know" there is a Diety that cannot be proved or disproved but even when it is proved to you that guns are not manufactured in the south you just "know" they are.
 
I don't care about your personal beliefs but your own lies and hypocrisy are wearing thin.
 




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