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For anyone who is Homosexual, Virginia could care less - 3/6/2010 4:53:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, it seems laws are only meant to protect people who live like others think you should.  The Gov and States Attorney are not pushing to keep current laws protecting homosexuals and they are even asking colleges to end the practice.


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RE: For anyone who is Homosexual, Virginia could care less - 3/6/2010 5:19:02 AM   
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They take public moneys.

Therefore they have to serve all of the population.

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RE: For anyone who is Homosexual, Virginia could care less - 3/6/2010 5:52:46 AM   
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Come on people, place your bets before all the good spots are gone.

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RE: For anyone who is Homosexual, Virginia could care less - 3/6/2010 8:01:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		What I find strange is that the people who feel no need to protect the rights of homosexuals (and in fact feel in some cases a need to negate them entirely) are so often the same who shout loudest about their own consitutional rights.

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RE: For anyone who is Homosexual, Virginia could care less - 3/6/2010 9:19:08 AM   
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What I find strange is that the people who feel no need to protect the rights of homosexuals (and in fact feel in some cases a need to negate them entirely) are so often the same who shout loudest about their own consitutional rights.

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Why's it strange? The consitution doesn't mention gay rights at all. It was hardly a big issue during the 18th century. They have much the same relationship to that as they do to the Bible: fixate on a couple of small phrases that seem to justify their prejudices and/or sense of entitlement and completely ignore the rest.

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RE: For anyone who is Homosexual, Virginia could care less - 3/6/2010 9:38:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Exactly MH. It doesnt discriminate at all and neither does it distinguish rights as being proper to some but not others, which must lead one to conclude that all have equal rights, it not being thought requisite to state that (for instance) Africans lack them or that behaviours other than those acknowledged to be criminal may affect access to such rights, either enhancing or diminishing them.

The African population were denied such rights for a long time on the grounds (as perceived) that they were less than human; this was corrected. The LGBT population were denied such rights on the grounds (as determined) of criminality; this too has been corrected. Therefore there is now no reason whatever to deny rights - and in fact it should be crime to do so (under "color of law" as misunderstood by RealOne) given the constitutional position that such rights are inalienable, and it is arguable because of the general situation that specific legislation need be introduced to prevent such denial until such point that the issue is resolved.

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RE: For anyone who is Homosexual, Virginia could care less - 3/6/2010 9:52:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

What I find strange is that the people who feel no need to protect the rights of homosexuals (and in fact feel in some cases a need to negate them entirely) are so often the same who shout loudest about their own consitutional rights.

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Why's it strange? The consitution doesn't mention gay rights at all. It was hardly a big issue during the 18th century. They have much the same relationship to that as they do to the Bible: fixate on a couple of small phrases that seem to justify their prejudices and/or sense of entitlement and completely ignore the rest.


Nor does it exclude gays from life.

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RE: For anyone who is Homosexual, Virginia could care less - 3/6/2010 11:32:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, there's certainly no federal legislation that takes issue with homosexuals joining the army, is there?

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RE: For anyone who is Homosexual, Virginia could care less - 3/6/2010 12:31:14 PM   
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No, there's certainly no federal legislation that takes issue with homosexuals joining the army, is there?


20 years ago the mil would not take gay men.  weather they do now- is anyones guess.

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RE: For anyone who is Homosexual, Virginia could care less - 3/6/2010 12:45:48 PM   
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RE: For anyone who is Homosexual, Virginia could care less - 3/6/2010 12:48:57 PM   
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RE: For anyone who is Homosexual, Virginia could care less - 3/6/2010 1:34:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Alex Jones


I never heard of him.

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RE: For anyone who is Homosexual, Virginia could care less - 3/6/2010 1:37:45 PM   
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he is HAAWWT when he rants, screams n yells.

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RE: For anyone who is Homosexual, Virginia could care less - 3/6/2010 2:14:13 PM   
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RE: For anyone who is Homosexual, Virginia could care less - 3/6/2010 2:17:30 PM   
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RE: For anyone who is Homosexual, Virginia could care less - 3/7/2010 12:55:15 AM   
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Just accept them..it doesn't hurt.

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RE: For anyone who is Homosexual, Virginia could care less - 3/7/2010 2:56:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Isn't it funny how some guys suddenly get fixated and start wanting to do something when the issue is one man's dick entering another man's asshole? I mean, it's not as if there's any other more important issues out there.

Wasn't it a Virginia university which recently was the scene of another shooting spree?


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RE: For anyone who is Homosexual, Virginia could care less - 3/7/2010 3:55:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: stella41b

Isn't it funny how some guys suddenly get fixated and start wanting to do something when the issue is one man's dick entering another man's asshole? I mean, it's not as if there's any other more important issues out there.

Wasn't it a Virginia university which recently was the scene of another shooting spree?



Exactly.  But perhaps it's just low-hanging fruit (geez, sorry, that's open for too many puns).  Create an issue where none really exists to take focus away from real issues for which he has no solutions.

I think it would be easier on everyone if we didn't have the long list of what and who we do not discriminate against and just adopt a "We will not practice discrimination in any form against anyone." 

Dictionary definition of discrimination is "treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit:"

Really, that's all that is needed.  To include one group, class or category and exclude another is in itself discrimination and it has been alleged that in naming such in policy is actual protection.  If it was adopted that discrimination for any reason would not be tolerated then we could forget about which group didn't get mentioned and go about our business.

But what it looks like to me is that politicians are no longer interested in serving the constituents they have but rather they want to create constituents they like to serve.

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RE: For anyone who is Homosexual, Virginia could care less - 3/7/2010 5:35:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Policy tho -  I would think the individual school could set a policy- code of conduct=- statement of intent- call it anything you want. 

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RE: For anyone who is Homosexual, Virginia could care less - 3/7/2010 9:47:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

I think it would be easier on everyone if we didn't have the long list of what and who we do not discriminate against and just adopt a "We will not practice discrimination in any form against anyone." 

Dictionary definition of discrimination is "treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit:"

Really, that's all that is needed.  To include one group, class or category and exclude another is in itself discrimination and it has been alleged that in naming such in policy is actual protection.  If it was adopted that discrimination for any reason would not be tolerated then we could forget about which group didn't get mentioned and go about our business.



Exactly, this is the way I see it too. This is what cost me my position as head of an LGBT focus group here in West London as I followed an inclusive policy and wanted to make the group sLGBT (the small 's' for straight people) because (1) the vast majority of those found under the LGBT umbrella are supported by someone who is heterosexual, be it a member of the family or a friend and (2) I feel the actual minority aren't those from within the LGBT community but those who persecute them for whatever reason.

Discrimination is discrimination, period, no matter whether it's in terms of someone's ethnicity, skin colour, gender or sexual orientation, age, whatever, it's still discrimination. If someone isn't prepared to respect someone else on such grounds as skin colour or sexual orientation, then I feel they're hardly likely to respect any piece of legislation protecting them. It doesn't matter where the issue of discrimination lies, these people are still the minority.

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

But what it looks like to me is that politicians are no longer interested in serving the constituents they have but rather they want to create constituents they like to serve.


This, once again... This is what Ken Cucinelli writes on his website:

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'I come into office with a mandate from the people of Virginia-- to alter the course of change, and keep that path free from insistent government intervention, government mandates, government control.

In addition to standing guard over your individual rights during my tenure, you can count on me to stand guard against constitutional overreaching by the federal government, but only thanks to your support and your efforts.'


The parts above are bolded for emphasis, and come from someone who is now found to be dictating to higher education in Virginia in terms of legislation and who appears to be very concerned with what his constituents are doing in their bedrooms.


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