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RE: "Expecting" a long term D/s relationship? - 3/6/2010 9:07:01 PM   
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It seems that a lot of things stem from poorly thought out choices..or just baggage that was never resolved.

I have been tripped up from "expecting" too many things I really only "imagined" in the past. I had to let go of that. Too masochistic. If I find myself with a friend that I find myself having been with happily for twenty years one day.....then I'm there. I'll know for sure then. But could I have known it 20 years before?

Doubtful.

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It really doesn't bother me that much-this was posted for a little input. Not as a rant.

Could the habit of harboring fantasies explain it somewhat? Sort of like people who 'expect' to win the lottery if they keep buying those tickets?



Oh it definitely could or it may simply be that they did not choose the most appropriate word  when writing their profile




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RE: "Expecting" a long term D/s relationship? - 3/6/2010 9:09:24 PM   
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It does kind of make me think of the guys who say, "I've been trying to get married for (x) years with no luck."  You have to wonder why people are so focused on an outcome, instead of enjoying the relationships that come along on the way toward the longterm goal.  I think its a small minority who do this, however, and those stating that they are interested in a LTR are just being up front about their longterm goals.

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RE: "Expecting" a long term D/s relationship? - 3/6/2010 9:11:30 PM   
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I understand stating that you would LIKE to go there.

But to come across as demanding it? How can that work?

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It does kind of make me think of the guys who say, "I've been trying to get married for (x) years with no luck."  You have to wonder why people are so focused on an outcome, instead of enjoying the relationships that come along on the way toward the longterm goal.  I think its a small minority who do this, however, and those stating that they are interested in a LTR are just being up front about their longterm goals.



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RE: "Expecting" a long term D/s relationship? - 3/6/2010 9:22:12 PM   
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I find this a bit odd when I run across it.

Do you think this weeds out "players"?

Does it put the cart before the horse?



I do not see it as an expectation. I see it as a boundary. Everyone is allowed their boundaries in this world

If someone stated it was an "expectation", perhaps they really mean "this is a boundary"


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RE: "Expecting" a long term D/s relationship? - 3/6/2010 9:27:48 PM   
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Uh huh.
I totally get that aspect of things. The 85 year old lady with an intact hymen and the 34 cats set a great one with "No sex before marrying the most perfect man in the world" too.


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I find this a bit odd when I run across it.

Do you think this weeds out "players"?

Does it put the cart before the horse?



I do not see it as an expectation. I see it as a boundary. Everyone is allowed their boundaries in this world

If someone stated it was an "expectation", perhaps they really mean "this is a boundary"




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RE: "Expecting" a long term D/s relationship? - 3/6/2010 9:48:06 PM   
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Uh huh.
I totally get that aspect of things. The 85 year old lady with an intact hymen and the 34 cats set a great one with "No sex before marrying the most perfect man in the world" too.


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I find this a bit odd when I run across it.

Do you think this weeds out "players"?

Does it put the cart before the horse?



I do not see it as an expectation. I see it as a boundary. Everyone is allowed their boundaries in this world

If someone stated it was an "expectation", perhaps they really mean "this is a boundary"





You mean this lady?

On the other hand, boundaries keep us from getting into bad situations that we feel would be harmful for us. If someone thought that engaging in a BDSM outside of a relationship would be harmful to them in some way, well I respect this... I respect my own boundaries too. I have boundaries, like I do not have sex without being involved in a LTR... and it hasn't hampered me.

I said that I was looking for a LTR in my profile when I met Sinergy... he wasn't scared away by that... but you know, that is just my life and what my experiences are.... I do not think I said "I expect a LTR", I think I said that "I value myself and my desires, and I will not settle for less than a LTR". It wasn't a statement of expectation, it was a statement of what I wanted and that part was not negotiable. I also listed what I brought to the table...








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RE: "Expecting" a long term D/s relationship? - 3/6/2010 9:51:55 PM   
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Bingo!

Statement of potentials and worth-not just a laundry list of demands. THAT sort of thing would interest me. So why do so few bother to even mention what they bring to the table?

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RE: "Expecting" a long term D/s relationship? - 3/6/2010 9:56:56 PM   
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Bingo!

Statement of potentials and worth-not just a laundry list of demands. THAT sort of thing would interest me. So why do so few bother to even mention what they bring to the table?


Because they do not have profile making 101 at community college?

It really is a lot like submitting a resume... you wouldn't list demands there would you?

I did have limits listed. I am extremely focused on learning and education, and I attempted to gain attention from men that would be interested in education, learning, etc... I listed what I wanted... and I made sure that I put that into context of what I was offering. Ying Yang

I still do not think that it is over the top to say... "Hey, here is a boundary" and in fact I think it could weed out those who cannot respect that boundary for whatever reason... which is a good thing.


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RE: "Expecting" a long term D/s relationship? - 3/6/2010 10:05:00 PM   
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Bingo!

Statement of potentials and worth-not just a laundry list of demands. THAT sort of thing would interest me. So why do so few bother to even mention what they bring to the table?


Because they do not have profile making 101 at community college?

It really is a lot like submitting a resume... you wouldn't list demands there would you?


Well put Julia.

As for waiting for the perfect man, I do think that a man that is well suited for me is worth waiting for. I know that I won't be waiting forever as I have realistic expectations. That said, I would rather be single than with a man who is not right for me.

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RE: "Expecting" a long term D/s relationship? - 3/6/2010 10:06:18 PM   
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But if you list only requirements-and they are put across as absolutes.....On a D/s site?

How is that supposed to interest a Dominant person? It comes across a lot to me like "Jump though my hoops,and I may decide to give you a crumb."
At least show some reason to make the *effort.* And before people start whining-it goes BOTH ways.

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RE: "Expecting" a long term D/s relationship? - 3/6/2010 10:12:42 PM   
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I was going to reply thoughtfully to your post, but you called LafayetteLady a troll when she was responding to you in a perfectly decent way, so never mind. I will say this: people do get to have expectations. If you don't like it, don't message them. Plenty of other people will.

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RE: "Expecting" a long term D/s relationship? - 3/6/2010 10:14:54 PM   
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She fabricated a bunch of garbage and attacked out of the blue. I don't call making things up
and then getting personal "respectful."

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I was going to reply thoughtfully to your post, but you called LafayetteLady a troll when she was responding to you in a perfectly decent way, so never mind. I will say this: people do get to have expectations. If you don't like it, don't message them. Plenty of other people will.



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RE: "Expecting" a long term D/s relationship? - 3/6/2010 10:41:14 PM   
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She fabricated a bunch of garbage and attacked out of the blue. I don't call making things up
and then getting personal "respectful."

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I was going to reply thoughtfully to your post, but you called LafayetteLady a troll when she was responding to you in a perfectly decent way, so never mind. I will say this: people do get to have expectations. If you don't like it, don't message them. Plenty of other people will.




i'm with JujubeeMB on this one. LafayetteLady is not a troll, and she did not behave in a trollish manner towards you.  i have struggled throughout this thread to understand where you are coming from, but your ideas seem to be a moving target.

i happen to state in my profile that i seek a long-term relationship.  That is not an expectation or a demand.  Simply a desire.  In fact, i can't say that i've ever seen a single profile that made me think that the individual was "expecting" or "demanding" a LTR.  Nor have i ever seen anyone act as though an LTR were an entitlement.

Frankly, i think much of this is in your own head.  Have you considered that possibility?

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RE: "Expecting" a long term D/s relationship? - 3/6/2010 10:54:03 PM   
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She fabricated a bunch of garbage and attacked out of the blue. I don't call making things up
and then getting personal "respectful."

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I was going to reply thoughtfully to your post, but you called LafayetteLady a troll when she was responding to you in a perfectly decent way, so never mind. I will say this: people do get to have expectations. If you don't like it, don't message them. Plenty of other people will.




I didn't "fabricate" anything or attack you. That was your perception. I responded to your post that people have expectations of what they want. Even now, even though you put the "disclaimer" that the "demands" go both ways, the truth of the matter is that you don't seem to really accept that the s-types have every right to make that "list" of what they want in a partner. Should they also mention things about themselves? Of course.

But the reality of life is that everyone has expectations. Many here are not looking to meet someone, play and then "hope" it turns into something more. They want to find someone who meets their non-kink requirements and then move on to the kinky stuff. What is the point of responding to, or writing to someone who doesn't meet the basic things you are looking for? If a dominant/master type is looking for a sub/slave type who will not work, why message or pursue someone who has a career that is important to them? The revers is also true. If a sub/slave type does have a career that they love, why would they get involved with someone who wants them to be an "at home" partner? It is a recipe for failure.

A lot of people here have discussed the whole "nothing lasts forever" idea, and believe it is a fantasy. That's kind of like a woman marrying a guy with the idea that he is a good "first husband." If you go into something with the belief that it won't last, it probably won't. The reality is that, while it doesn't happen to everyone or every day, some things CAN last forever. My parents' love for each other transcended death. It does happen.

When people say they are looking for a "long term relationship," it is a CONCEPT. It means they aren't looking for a hook up, a one night stand or a "friends with benefits" playmate. They want a relationship with someone, and for most, they are *hoping* it will last a nice long time. Think back to when we were in high school and had boyfriends or girlfriends. We weren't necessarily dating those people with the idea that it would end in marriage, but we did consider them to be "long term relationships." Sometimes they lasted only a month, other times all through high school, and for some they actually did end up marrying each other.

The bottom line is that "long term relationship" means "I don't plan on meeting you for coffee and then running off someplace for you to tie me up." Sometimes, two people might end up doing that anyway, and then a relationship will continue. But it's always more productive to let someone know what you expect right up front, regardless of what it is. There is a good number of people here who want monogamous relationships. They are "entitled" to want that. There is nothing wrong with making that demand. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be poly either, and poly people are also "entitled" to "demand" that the people they are involved with be accepting of that. Just like everything else that is incompatible, there isn't much chance of a successful relationship between someone who wants to be part of a poly household and someone who wants a monogamous relationship. We see subs/slaves post on the boards all the time how their dominants/masters are telling them they "have" to accept poly, because the "dominant/master" says so. There is no sense to this at all, because they don't "have" to accept it, and if there had been some basic communication at the start, they wouldn't be in that situation. If they had listed that as a "demand" in their profile, they likely would have passed each other by and saved themselves some heartache.

People tend to get hung up on semantics, and then look for deeper or other meaning to what a person is saying. Someone says they are looking for an LTR, and if you (general you) just want to hook up and have some fun, there is no "deeper meaning." It isn't a matter of semantics. It's pretty clear you aren't compatible. Wondering ad nauseam or questioning whether they have the right to make such demands serves no real purpose other than to waste your (presumably) valuable time with thoughts that could have been better spent moving on to the next person who may be more compatible.

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RE: "Expecting" a long term D/s relationship? - 3/7/2010 12:46:25 AM   
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She fabricated a bunch of garbage and attacked out of the blue. I don't call making things up
and then getting personal "respectful."

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I was going to reply thoughtfully to your post, but you called LafayetteLady a troll when she was responding to you in a perfectly decent way, so never mind. I will say this: people do get to have expectations. If you don't like it, don't message them. Plenty of other people will.




i'm with JujubeeMB on this one. LafayetteLady is not a troll, and she did not behave in a trollish manner towards you.  i have struggled throughout this thread to understand where you are coming from, but your ideas seem to be a moving target.




And I'm with both of you. No way LL had that coming. I'll say this much for him, the belligerent attitude saved me a few keystrokes.


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RE: "Expecting" a long term D/s relationship? - 3/7/2010 5:48:43 AM   
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what ever happened to expecting a permanent relationship
LTR always seemed to me to have a built in expectation of failure

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RE: "Expecting" a long term D/s relationship? - 3/7/2010 7:10:32 AM   
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Pretty much what I thought. And if not tolerating abuse from people on here is a
belligerent attitude-expect more of the same from me.

It's a message board-no one has to reply to anyone who decides to get on thier case.

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what ever happened to expecting a permanent relationship
LTR always seemed to me to have a built in expectation of failure



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RE: "Expecting" a long term D/s relationship? - 3/7/2010 7:16:49 AM   
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Pretty much what I thought. And if not tolerating abuse from people on here is a
belligerent attitude-expect more of the same from me.

It's a message board-no one has to reply to anyone who decides to get on thier case.


I am asking this sincerely, what about her post came off as abusive? I missed it.


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RE: "Expecting" a long term D/s relationship? - 3/7/2010 7:30:44 AM   
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She got personal,and made up things about me that had no base in reality to do it.

I see this sort of behavior all the time here-it's beyond annoying.

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RE: "Expecting" a long term D/s relationship? - 3/7/2010 7:37:32 AM   
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But if you list only requirements-and they are put across as absolutes.....On a D/s site?

How is that supposed to interest a Dominant person? It comes across a lot to me like "Jump though my hoops,and I may decide to give you a crumb."
At least show some reason to make the *effort.* And before people start whining-it goes BOTH ways.


I just saw this....


I do not know how it is supposed to interest a "dominant" person. I am primarily looking for someone I am compatible with, and those sorts of people are usually dominant sorts of people. What I think of as "dominant" and what you think of as "dominant" might not be the same thing. I am attracted to men that want women that value themselves. If the woman cannot value herself, what she brings to the table, it is exceedingly unlikely that a man will value her. I have very few expectations of other people. I have expectations for myself. It is my responsibility to weigh and measure the people who are in my life and to see if they should be there. It is no one else's responsibility to do so.

I do not think whining is attractive... I just do not put much effort into thinking about what other people write in their profiles.. .I mean, it is a free country.. people wanna whine and carry on, let em. I would wonder why you care...

Here is the thing I discovered in life, if I push back against negativity, then ironically I become negative.. two negatives do not make a positive, it just grows more negativity. People have their own lessons in life to learn, if what they put in their profile works for them and they find a partner, yay for them, right? If they don't, well they have to live with that too.

When I have been in the market there are a few things that tend to set my teeth on edge in profiles. These sorts of profiles exist on every dating site I have ever seen. People who scream about players, drama, and liars make me RUN away. I have no time for that sort of negativity. At the same time I do not think much about it unless someone asks what I think of their profile. I just click on to the next profile attempting to put my energy into finding what I want, instead of focusing on those who turn me off...

I would suggest you do the same thing, because you aren't going to change the methods other people use to find mates, and everyone is free to put up their ad in any sort of language they like


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