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ORIGINAL: ordinary

I gave up trying to win approval from people a very long time ago, but that doesn't mean it doesn't irritate me when some jackass laughs at my CONCERNS over some crazy nut job threatening to murder women.

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ORIGINAL: jujubeeMB

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella
I applaud the OP for attempting to report it. At best, reporting it will save someone's life. At worst, it'll teach some jackass not to make stupid threats to strangers on the internet. It's a win win situation.

I actually agree with this. Saying you want to kill people is definitely not cool, even on BDSM websites where people are sometimes creepy jackasses. If she wants to try to do something about it, I say she should go ahead.

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella
Honestly it takes a real jackass to say that having consensual anal sex is in any way comparable to murdering someone because of their sexual orientation, just because they're both illegal.

Also what you feel you have the right to do with your consenting partner is not the same as feeling you have the right to do something to "submissive women" as a whole. From what I can tell the guy in the OP isn't looking for a consenting partner to murder, he's saying he does not value the lives of submissive women and he has the right to kill them, consent or not.

That's an extremely unhealthy mindset and I applaud the OP for attempting to report it. At best, reporting it will save someone's life. At worst, it'll teach some jackass not to make stupid threats to strangers on the internet. It's a win win situation.

Jane (Curtain), you ignorant slut!
-SNL

It is my “belief” that you have reading compression difficulties inspired by your personal issues. A sane person can understand the legal difference between intent, beliefs and freedom of speech… which was the point of my reply. The fact you personalized it and imagined anal sex with me could have been flattering under different circumstances.

. . . I hope it was good for you silly girl.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
No it's not cool. However, you don't call 911 because you got an email that was not cool. I'm surprised they didn't fine her.

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… and as far as Elisabella’s criminal mind suggesting that it is OK to commit sex crimes against women but not OK to commit other crimes is just personal prejudice. Even if you happen to agree with that prejudice, it is still imposing your moral crime preference over someone else’s supposed criminal beliefs. The whole concept is as ludicrous as this and my previous replies.

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ORIGINAL: ordinary

So because I'm 19 that just automatically makes me a 'drama queen' (even though it's your own story in your own head, and you've got some strange ideas about me)?

Gee, I'll keep in mind that I don't deserve to be taken seriously, talked to like an adult, and that anyone older than me has the right to look down on me while creating all these elaborate ideas about me and my life.

I gave up trying to win approval from people a very long time ago, but that doesn't mean it doesn't irritate me when some jackass laughs at my CONCERNS over some crazy nut job threatening to murder women.

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ORIGINAL: ordinary
So because I'm 19 that just automatically makes me a 'drama queen' (even though it's your own story in your own head, and you've got some strange ideas about me)?

Gee, I'll keep in mind that I don't deserve to be taken seriously, talked to like an adult, and that anyone older than me has the right to look down on me while creating all these elaborate ideas about me and my life.

I gave up trying to win approval from people a very long time ago, but that doesn't mean it doesn't irritate me when some jackass laughs at my CONCERNS over some crazy nut job threatening to murder women.

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel
Again, until someone ACTUALLY COMMITS A CRIME, and saying they have a right to kill a type of person isn't illegal its actually considered freedom of speach, they can preach about their rights all they wish -- its a crime when they actually do something.

The second problem you have here is this is an anonymous website, all they basically can do is find where the ISP leads --- yet there is no way to prove who actually SENT the email. Therefore, you have nothing other than what it is -- an anonymous email from an anonymous person to another anonymous person on a website of nicknames.

Its nonchalant reactions because there is no OMG moment here. I mean do you seriously call the cops 911 or non-emergency everytime you hear someone say they want to kill someone? I don't think you have.

Its not illegal to be a sociopath. Its not illegal to be a psychopath either. A person can be a sociopath or even a psychopath all their lives and if they never commit an actual crime, but say write about it or preach about it, they will never be arrested.

What someone does in this situation is simple, if you feel its against the TOS of the website -- you report the email to the website. Until a crime is committed -- cops can't do anything.

angel

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ORIGINAL: thepillowdreamer
some people abuse their freedom of speech, unfortunately, but it's something we can't afford to lose even in the name of personal safety. ...i feel like a rant about national security should be attached to this. sorry. gettin' all preachy.

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ORIGINAL: thepillowdreamer

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ORIGINAL: ordinary
So because I'm 19 that just automatically makes me a 'drama queen' (even though it's your own story in your own head, and you've got some strange ideas about me)?

Gee, I'll keep in mind that I don't deserve to be taken seriously, talked to like an adult, and that anyone older than me has the right to look down on me while creating all these elaborate ideas about me and my life.

I gave up trying to win approval from people a very long time ago, but that doesn't mean it doesn't irritate me when some jackass laughs at my CONCERNS over some crazy nut job threatening to murder women.

no, you're not a drama queen, but you're acting a little bit like one right now. never post when you're indignant: you're prolly not feeling as strong as you're coming off right now, but it reads like a hissy.

you got every right in the world to be concerned, and again, the people not dicking around (which is alright, because thread hijacking is a natural and beautiful thing) offered you advice and personal opinions. nobody here's looking down on you, and we're glad you brought it to the forum's attention.

chances are that he was just a complete whackjob who won't do this shit, but there's a chance that he could. there's always that chance. there's a lot of danger on this site, and it sounds like you had your first experience with it- whether it's the kind that ends up with people in the ground, or simply something that makes you profoundly uncomfortable.

i hope if something like this ever happens again, you do take it seriously. and remember that calling 911 whenever you feel you're in any danger is perfectly okay, because that's what emergency services are for, but that there's also a huge chance that you were trolled by a creep who gets off on making women panic.

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

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ORIGINAL: thepillowdreamer
some people abuse their freedom of speech, unfortunately, but it's something we can't afford to lose even in the name of personal safety. ...i feel like a rant about national security should be attached to this. sorry. gettin' all preachy.

For the record, freedom of speech does not include threats of violence. Now it can be argued that what the person wrote in his email wasn't a direct threat of violence, but it can also be argued that if the words were directed toward a submissive woman they are.

Compare to "I think that as a white person it's my right to kill black people by bashing their heads against the wall" - that's a bit more obvious because it's based on race rather than sexual orientation, but sexual orientation is also covered in hate crime laws, and telling a person that you feel you have the right to kill the group of people that the person you're talking to belongs to could easily be construed as a threat.

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella
For the record, freedom of speech does not include threats of violence.

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

I'm not quite sure how you came into the position after being on this site for a couple of weeks to speak for the entire community by saying "we are glad you brought this to the forum's attention,"

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or how in that short period of time you reached the conclusion that there are "a lot of dangerous people on this site."

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Those are some pretty presumptious statements and conclusions to reach in a mere two weeks.

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ORIGINAL: thepillowdreamer

i don't like to make assumptions. that said, i still like to think if a member feels threatened then they can come to the community. i'm of the belief that we need to foster behavior like that, even if it just means providing a sounding board.

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there's a lot of wonderful people here, too. the majority, maybe just tolerable or average. since there are so many members though, the law of averages would suggest that there would be a good number of predatory ones, too.

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the thing about that though is that during my "shy observation" phase, i got to know the site and that being told you're not justified to have an opinion because you're new doesn't really amount to much. so, yeah. there's that.

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Had there been an actual "threat" I would certainly agree.

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you don't strike me as cruel, so i'm prone to believe that. i also agree that there was a lot unsaid about the message, but the op was understandably freaked out and sometimes when you're freaked out, venting helps. i think that applies to what you said about her being over what the creep said, too.

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Actually, I would say that there aren't "a lot" of "predators" on this site.

i'm not defacing the site. i've met a lot of cool people here who've become rl friends. that said, there's a whole mess of users here. predators are in the minority, but when there's a clusterfuck of users there will still be a pretty good number of them. again: law of averages.

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If it is about the comments you made, while I understand that in your 5 years here you may have had several different accounts, and not been a regular poster, speaking in terms of "we" as a community would be out of line for anyone, including someone who has been a regular poster for quite some time.

i'm prone to disagree on the grounds that i think you're taking my words too much to heart. "we" is easier to post than "myself and possibly other members too but i can't be sure". i don't expect everybody to agree with me, but i do expect some.

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finding 1% of the members to be actually dangerous (again, excluding the scammers) might be a high guess

i can't stress enough how much i'm not attacking the site or community when i say shit like that, but i'm still backing my opinion. the majority of people here, the vast, vast majority, aren't dangerous. but. with so many people anywhere, there's going to be plenty of wolves sniffing out lambs.

i respect your opinion because you're giving it to me respectfully and thoughtfully, but i'd still rather agree to disagree. like you more or less said: it's a matter of opinion. game?

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