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RE: The Truth About The Health Care Bills - 3/9/2010 12:35:49 PM   
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Dead on target....Obama's Chicago thugs know that once they control health care, then that opens the door to controlling your behavior...your diet, your activities, and everything about what THEY think you should do....  Even if they cram it through by threatening every member of congress....the Reps will be forced to kill it after November and cut off funding for the process....but the idiots who want something for nothing will yell bloody murder.... I say let em yell....who really gives one shit what democrats think, say, or do....they are unworthy of serious consideration....they are a blight on this nation and undeserving of anything until they can prove that they really want to be a part of what is America..... let em eat cake!


Poor cucky and all of the old fucks drying out in Florida and just waiting for death.

So many old people just sucking on the government teet who don't realize they are enjoying all of the perks of socialized medicine. Only because they are old and their brains no longer work all that sound.

Poor cucky.

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RE: The Truth About The Health Care Bills - 3/9/2010 12:49:31 PM   
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Yes, the private industry does not cover as many as Medicare does... not even close. Yet private insurance company CEO's make millions in salary, and even more in bonuses.


The Private Insurance Company CEO's will have earned a healthy bonus based on profits if they pull off this scam.
President Obama and Democrats launched a campaign to vilify insurance companies in the final stretch of their health reform effort.

...the Senate health reform bill, which is the basis for Democrats' last best chance at comprehensive reform, would give the insurance companies millions of new customers required by law to buy health insurance. It would also require insurers to cover everyone, regardless of age, gender or pre-existing condition.

To help pay for the new insurance requirements the government would give to people money to buy insurance - $336 billion over the next ten years. That money, ultimately, would have to go to... drum roll... insurance companies.Those PAC payments sure work don't they?

All you healthy young people (there have to be at least 1 or 2 who read, if not post on CM) who can be insured by make a personal choice (another one being eliminated) not to buy coverage - get your checkbooks out. You may be 'pro-choice' but that doesn't apply in this case. You have to pay, or be fined, or whatever else they come up with to make you pay.

Appreciating those here who support corporate welfare set up for "good intent". In this case "Universal Health Care"; delivered, in the best case - a few years or so down the line. Oh yeah, but the taxes and mandatory out of pocket payment for coverage starts the day after the Bill is signed.

Great plan!

Meanwhile, how does this impact the economy and employment?

Jeri Kubicki, an employee benefits expert with the manufacturing group, said employers are putting off hiring new workers because of concerns that the bill's passage would raise their costs. "There is too much uncertainty," she said.

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RE: The Truth About The Health Care Bills - 3/9/2010 1:05:08 PM   
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Great plan!

Meanwhile, how does this impact the economy and employment?

Jeri Kubicki, an employee benefits expert with the manufacturing group, said employers are putting off hiring new workers because of concerns that the bill's passage would raise their costs. "There is too much uncertainty," she said.


Shit, Shit and more bullshit on that.^^^^^^^^


next, we should be able to make some of this up on a windfall profits tax for insurance companies, and here is some news. NOBODY likes the bill as it currently stands, we want reform not some of the lobbyist and company inspired onerous measures in the bill, if they cant get them out of there like the fines.......then it has about zero chance of reconciliation passage (and I think it had zero chance at all ever at the outset of any bill passing)...

Well, fuckit...those that got insurance are going to pay more and more and more and more for it, as more people opt out of the current system.

Everybody loses, fuck em, and fuck us all. pragmatism in this is dead, and never existed in this measure.

Ron

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RE: The Truth About The Health Care Bills - 3/9/2010 1:22:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		The problem here comes down to the same question: should poor people in US have access to health care? I do not see other realistic way  than the government solution to provide health care for poor. We could of course think of "the industry solutions". For example: exterminate the hopelessly sick and use their bodies for collagen production to cover the cost of the process; ship sick with hope of improvement to China in cargo containers (now the containers go back mostly empty) for cheap treatment and so on....

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RE: The Truth About The Health Care Bills - 3/9/2010 1:24:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, it is going to be couched more at should only the rich have access to healthcare in fairly short order.



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RE: The Truth About The Health Care Bills - 3/9/2010 1:34:15 PM   
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pragmatism in this is dead, and never existed in this measure.


Ron, just because you can't argue the facts and don't like them presented it doesn't mean they are dead.

The Bill, with the lasted "deadline" being March 18th; not to be confused with the previous July 31st deadline, August recess deadline, or Obama's "I want it done by the fall" deadlines; (I know more pragmatic facts - sorry about that!) will entitle the insurance companies to 30 million new customers. The majority of whom will be young and healthy. Of course, since there will also be mandatory coverage provided to the unhealthy I think its safe to say, there will be more claims expense incurred too. Good thing those low risk healthy people will be required to pay to offset those costs or else those insurance companies could go bankrupt! Then what?

We can look back at the 2008-09 "too big to let fail" philosophy for what will happen next. Look how well that marketing campaign worked to insure those poor financial service executives and managers got their bonuses. The Saturn plant may have closed but the GM's CEO's check cleared.

Yeah - good old corporate welfare! Its great to see so many converted to believing what's good for corporate interests is good for the USA! On that basis, I'm sure another government 'bail-out' will be supported by the same people who supported the other ones that worked so well and served the general public. You can already hear the argument echoing from 2008-09 during the 2012 political campaign; "we had to bail them out! It will be much worse if we don't!"

Or did I miss some pragmatic rebuttal argument buried in your "Shit, Shit and more bullshit on that.^^^^^^^^ ..." rebuttal?

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RE: The Truth About The Health Care Bills - 3/9/2010 1:57:26 PM   
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THe Shit shit and more bullshit is the shit that the employee benefits expert was spewing.

Nothing else in your post.........it was quoted and said ^^^^^^^^^^ (meaning see above) was shit shit and more bullshit.

Nevertheless, you are always on about pragmatism. well the healthcare debate and reform has never suffered from pragmatics whatsoever in this country.

I will say again, as I said before they actually had a bill, that at the outset there will be no healthcare reform passed until after midterms, and even not then in all likelyhood.

Now pragmattically, the system that the insurers spent so much to insure that they are running it into the ground are going to, since folks are going to keep dropping them like flies.

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RE: The Truth About The Health Care Bills - 3/9/2010 1:57:36 PM   
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The problem here comes down to the same question: should poor people in US have access to health care? I do not see other realistic way  than the government solution to provide health care for poor. We could of course think of "the industry solutions". For example: exterminate the hopelessly sick and use their bodies for collagen production to cover the cost of the process; ship sick with hope of improvement to China in cargo containers (now the containers go back mostly empty) for cheap treatment and so on....

Why stick to just recycling the collagen? You could use their skins to make lampshades and grind up their bones for soap as well...

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RE: The Truth About The Health Care Bills - 3/9/2010 2:07:37 PM   
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Did you know they have 7lb brook trout in Labrador?... 7 fucking lbs!

And hot redheads too


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RE: The Truth About The Health Care Bills - 3/9/2010 2:08:58 PM   
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What the fuck? I can and am arguing facts.
I apologize for my confusion.

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well the healthcare debate and reform has never suffered from pragmatics whatsoever in this country.

I would agree with you not only regarding the subject of Health-care, but every issue since the McCain Feingold Bill was passed. On that day, no individual in the US with net worth under 7 figures has representation in Washington. They were priced out of the influence market.

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RE: The Truth About The Health Care Bills - 3/9/2010 2:17:04 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Meh, no doubt I could have been clearer. I can see giving small business some breaks (fuck knows I need em) but corporate welfare is nothing new for big business, winfall profits repealed, exxon valdiz ignored, love canal superfunds and so on.......and bailouts and tarps and shit.

insurance is going to have to at least go to how the federal government insurance works, if not single payer canadian style (actually, rest of the industrialized world style).

Because people cannot afford the way it is set up, and as they go the 'welfare style' route (emergency room for everything no pay for anything) those that are paying and have insurance wiill keep paying more and more to keep the insurance industry healthy because the medicos will have to cover more freebies and therefore have to charge higher and higher prices for those who pay.

In the end , its a matter of how much carnage we as Americans want to leave strewn about the way.

R

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RE: The Truth About The Health Care Bills - 3/9/2010 2:21:23 PM   
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Fuck it, I am moving to Canada!

Did you know they have 7lb brook trout in Labrador?... 7 fucking lbs!

And hot redheads too


Jeff

Better country bands too: the Canucks have the Cowboy Junkies and Mazzy Star. What's the best Nashville can manage at the moment, Tobey Keith? Fuck that.

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RE: The Truth About The Health Care Bills - 3/9/2010 2:31:57 PM   
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Best I can do is to try not to smell like that 7lb trout.

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RE: The Truth About The Health Care Bills - 3/9/2010 2:33:21 PM   
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Wish I was hot.

Best I can do is to try not to smell like that 7lb trout.


It's a start...:)

Jeff, of the North, eh?

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RE: The Truth About The Health Care Bills - 3/9/2010 2:34:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fresh Brook Trout roasted with almonds tastes delicious, smells pretty good toooo:)
I also tie trout flies.... have kit will travel...


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RE: The Truth About The Health Care Bills - 3/9/2010 2:34:18 PM   
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Oh yeah, I figure I can make dulcimers for a living.

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Fuck it, I am moving to Canada!

Did you know they have 7lb brook trout in Labrador?... 7 fucking lbs!

And hot redheads too


Jeff


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RE: The Truth About The Health Care Bills - 3/9/2010 2:35:31 PM   
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Fresh Brook Trout roasted with almonds tastes delicious, smells pretty good toooo:)
I also tie trout flies.... have kit will travel...



That's sexy.... but do you cry?

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RE: The Truth About The Health Care Bills - 3/9/2010 2:37:24 PM   
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RE: The Truth About The Health Care Bills - 3/9/2010 2:40:48 PM   
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LOL, that is not at all true.


It is true under current Senate procedures. What Biden will do to ram it down our throats is another story.

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RE: The Truth About The Health Care Bills - 3/9/2010 2:42:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		if you take into account that medicine in other countrys are provided for there citizens for free, and do function, or did function for many years without any major hicups, and in some cases no hicups in general

then you can see there is no good reason not to have a free health care in the usa

consider for example a typical dentist trip or trip to get a vaccine cost a x sum amount but if it was mass produced for all the costs will go from expensive, to low to rediculously low

in short a vaccine that costs 25c to make is sold from $25 and up, and can be mass produced to only cost 1c per 10 vaccines

you could also do such a mass amount of vaccines, you would aquire stockpiles, at cost effective amounts, of not just one vaccine but of many, even so, that a three years down the line, they can make yearly clear out can become common place, and these vaccines a month or two before expiration date can then be sent to thirdworld countrys, again because they of course would cost nothing at this point, it would only cost 80% less than it does currently and in an amount that has been unheard of

but these ideas, of course would mean medical companys wont get there HUGE amounts of profits
sure they would still make a lot of money, can still afford r&d at the exact same level they do currently

in all honesty companys being afraid of hiring folk because of the free medical care costs must be more concered with the fact is they can potentially be easier to catch them hiring illegals

but in the uk, illegal or not, your hurt at the door, or if you call 999 "our version of 911" then your going to medical help

if you broken a leg and turn up stuck in a gimp suit, we dont care, we are going to fix you up

because we love our fellow man, even the weirdos

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