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RE: Friend or Foe - American Jihad - 3/10/2010 5:00:07 PM   
LadyEllen


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Status: offline 		this may be so ST - but how often do we watch (for instance) Syrian news broadcasts to know what their government or people (more free than might be imagined) think of some circumstance or another?

meanwhile on our side, its only bad news that gets the press most often and in the UK certainly its only what the UK government thinks, the US government thinks and occasionally what EU governments think that gets column space or airtime.

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RE: Friend or Foe - American Jihad - 3/10/2010 5:11:57 PM   
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I'm surprised you have time RO - I should have thought you'd be researching the 17th century constitutional changes I delivered on a plate for you in your "blueblood conspiracy" thread..............



no I have been meaning to thank you for that, I have been working on a paper all day and needed a damn break and dont have to time to look into it but I certainly intend to do so, start probly next week or maybe this weekend even....

I doubt you are but I hope you are right frankly because in the end its more power for umwah!



you are most welcome RO. I would consider this year a good one if only I could get you to understand how poorly grounded your arguments are so often found to be and get you to contribute here more positively, on the basis of reality, even if with your peculiar slant on things.

and just to link back to the thread, we understand from Muslim scholars that the interpretations of the terrorists regarding the Koran are erroneous, based on reading conclusions into the evidence rather than drawing conclusions from it. I hope to goodness that your posts to date are derived from a similar methodology and we might here convince you to adopt the better alternative.

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RE: Friend or Foe - American Jihad - 3/10/2010 5:16:11 PM   
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this may be so ST - but how often do we watch (for instance) Syrian news broadcasts to know what their government or people (more free than might be imagined) think of some circumstance or another?

meanwhile on our side, its only bad news that gets the press most often and in the UK certainly its only what the UK government thinks, the US government thinks and occasionally what EU governments think that gets column space or airtime.

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Like.. never. The story that prompted this was about the plans to kill Lars Vilks, the cartoonist who lampooned Muhammed. Then there's salmon rushdie who had, has a price on his head from both Hezbollah and Iran, where a Pakistani minister saying that a suicide attack to kill him would be justified. There was condemnation that I remember of the attempts to kill him from a muslim council in britian. What there was a great deal more of however, was condemnation of him.

The same with vilks. There is official condemnation of him from a host of muslim countries, but none that I've seen over the attempts on his life.

Shrug.

Given that the artist was on my mind this morning, I guess I'm wondering where the official condemnation is for what is nothing more than an act of violence.


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RE: Friend or Foe - American Jihad - 3/10/2010 5:40:53 PM   
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Christians are also silent when their faith should demand they speak up.


My posting record here alone, let alone any conversation anywhere else gives me an all clear on the not standing up bit ... I'm not a Christian ... I have no "faith" but I have my belief system, there are no cowards amongst us.

I avoid religious hypocrites because I'm honest.

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RE: Friend or Foe - American Jihad - 3/10/2010 5:45:04 PM   
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You're just another Muslim basher. Totally unoriginal, and frankly, quite offensive, underneath all the flowery rhetoric. Idiot.

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RE: Friend or Foe - American Jihad - 3/10/2010 7:03:40 PM   
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a week or so from now when the threads dropped a few pages?



My God, LadyE!  You've done it!  The shotgun efforts of spamboy suddenly make perfect sense!  He is part of the conspiracy to bury the truth.  It's so simple, so obvious, now that you have pointed it out.  You are a fucking BRILLIANT individual!

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RE: Friend or Foe - American Jihad - 3/10/2010 7:11:01 PM   
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You're just another Muslim basher. Totally unoriginal, and frankly, quite offensive, underneath all the flowery rhetoric. Idiot.



While you, Kitten, are an apologist for murderers, wife-beaters and beheaders (the non-consensual sort) and every manner of 12th century inhumanity promoted and exercised by the fanatics of that faith.

You should be ashamed of yourself, but I doubt you are capable of it.

Now respond in French, so you can feel smug and superior.



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RE: Friend or Foe - American Jihad - 3/10/2010 7:13:40 PM   
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RE: Friend or Foe - American Jihad - 3/10/2010 7:26:52 PM   
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You're just another Muslim basher. Totally unoriginal, and frankly, quite offensive, underneath all the flowery rhetoric. Idiot.



While you, Kitten, are an apologist for murderers, wife-beaters and beheaders (the non-consensual sort) and every manner of 12th century inhumanity promoted and exercised by the fanatics of that faith.

You should be ashamed of yourself, but I doubt you are capable of it.

Now respond in French, so you can feel smug and superior.




The French are time served at being inhuman in lots of ways and those that are proud of it really don't give a shit what anyone thinks, they're to busy being up their own arses.

Certainly the poeples of those gallic lands once stood proudly against Roman butchery, they nearly won too ... twice ... but since have turned a blind eye to discrimination and collaborated with genocidal minds.

Superior my arse. Let's have some sense here shall we ... ? 

Complicit.

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RE: Friend or Foe - American Jihad - 3/10/2010 7:46:13 PM   
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RE: Friend or Foe - American Jihad - 3/10/2010 8:32:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kittin,have I mentioned lately that I love you?...as far as I can recolect it has been awhile.....but after reading your response to Strangerthan I was moved to rectify that situation.


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RE: Friend or Foe - American Jihad - 3/10/2010 8:40:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is a fine line, I think, between complicity and self-preservation, Strange.  It gets pretty grey.  Sooner or later, we will leave, and they will have to remain and live.  It's hard to blame them.  I think we should have been finished, and right the fuck out of Afghanistan a long time ago.

As some old wiseass around here has been known to say, we just ain't got the ku for this shit.


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RE: Friend or Foe - American Jihad - 3/10/2010 8:57:42 PM   
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You're just another Muslim basher. Totally unoriginal, and frankly, quite offensive, underneath all the flowery rhetoric. Idiot.


If you can manage to pull your head out of your ass long enough to answer the questions, it might help.

But that would require you to evidence something other than diaherra of the brain, wouldn't it? Even more, it would require you to do something other than tie yourself in logic loops and explain why it's acceptable to condone murder over, of all things kittin, religion.

Oh, never mind, it isn't the religion you hate. Sorry, my bad.


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RE: Friend or Foe - American Jihad - 3/10/2010 9:13:23 PM   
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There is a fine line, I think, between complicity and self-preservation, Strange.  It gets pretty grey.  Sooner or later, we will leave, and they will have to remain and live.  It's hard to blame them.  I think we should have been finished, and right the fuck out of Afghanistan a long time ago.

As some old wiseass around here has been known to say, we just ain't got the ku for this shit.



I know. I think sooner or later we will leave and what will have been accomplished is to have created a greater hate. One of the most confounding puzzles when it came to the response to 9/11 and the Iraqi war, was if it started out of the hunt for Bin Laden, why did we have a couple hundred thousand troops in the country where he wasn't and about a 10th as many troops in the country where he was?








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RE: Friend or Foe - American Jihad - 3/10/2010 9:46:15 PM   
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What "Muslim community"? Muslims are as divided as Christians. Who speaks for all Christians? When have all Christians expressed collective regret through a single entity?

Islam encompasses hundreds of millions of people of different factions in hugely diverse countries. When you deplore that there is no universal condemnation of terrorism by Muslims, it's because they don't have one person or one body to voice it for them.

Your post is disingenuous: you're trying to sound all tolerant and shit, but underneath the pretty words, it's the same old xenophobia as always.

awww kitty such venom and animosity!  Are you ok?

Why the pope speaks for christians and the last thing he said was that he was sorry for kicking out those bishops who denied the holocaust and brought them back into the fold.....

You fucking troll.


kitten thats not trolling, just a very well deserved and well placed comment of the events as they unfolded.
sorry
Hate to join the party late and have to do make -up homework,but an actual social life(RealOne use googgle for a desription of this)intrudes......okay the apology out of the way...now onto my reply....
Sorry Real,I have to go with Kittin on this one,that was trollin...and you're a fucking troll !!!!!

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RE: Friend or Foe - American Jihad - 3/10/2010 9:57:27 PM   
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why did we have a couple hundred thousand troops in the country where he wasn't and about a 10th as many troops in the country where he was?



Cliff notes on the cliff notes, Strange, though I imagine you already get this.

1)  Bush II wanted to take out Saddam Hussein before he ever took the office, and he was handed the political capital to make it happen.

2) The Democrats were completely spineless and incompetent to even slow him down

3) What calls itself an anti-war movement in this country is a bunch of idealistic idiots, with no thought beyond their own immediate gratification of pretending they are flower children.  Their efforts were nothing but a counterproductive jerk-off.

4) Once we were in, we were well and truly stuck.  I'm supposed to have a houseguest for a few days next month who will be able to give some decent information on what it looks like on the ground over there (and he'll be a cheap drunk).  The name of the operation might change, but I doubt we are anywhere near a real departure.

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RE: Friend or Foe - American Jihad - 3/10/2010 9:58:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		My .2 cent$. Western/Christian,the Democracies,how  and whatever tittle you wish to assign it will never,let me repeat that never eradicate radical Islam and its acolytes that  choose deal in terror and violence.After all if you want to be honest there is no other path open for proponents of such radicalism....what other choice do they have...not an apology for just a cold hearted appreciation of their limitations.
The only way on God's/Allah's/or insert any other deity you choose to....green earth radicalism is stamped out is when the Muslim community itself rejects these methods...every bomb....every occupying force...every outside influence gives birth to another radical.....When it stops being news that an iman has issued a fatwa on terrorism...when that becomes the norm....Islamic terrorism ceases to exist as a problem.

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RE: Friend or Foe - American Jihad - 3/10/2010 10:06:50 PM   
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why did we have a couple hundred thousand troops in the country where he wasn't and about a 10th as many troops in the country where he was?



Cliff notes on the cliff notes, Strange, though I imagine you already get this.

1)  Bush II wanted to take out Saddam Hussein before he ever took the office, and he was handed the political capital to make it happen.
Let me see if I get this,prior to 9/11 he possesed the politicla capitol...and that fucking Osama guy created a destraction.....or Osama handed  him the capitol by bringing dowm the buildings?

2) The Democrats were completely spineless and incompetent to even slow him down
Yeah Rove/Cheney threatening to declare you un-American and soft on terrorism,post 9/11,wasn't one hell of a stick to get beat with when facing elections!

3) What calls itself an anti-war movement in this country is a bunch of idealistic idiots, with no thought beyond their own immediate gratification of pretending they are flower children.  Their efforts were nothing but a counterproductive jerk-off.
And the real hippies in the 60's were much more effective?.....okay,I'll give you that one

4) Once we were in, we were well and truly stuck.  I'm supposed to have a houseguest for a few days next month who will be able to give some decent information on what it looks like on the ground over there (and he'll be a cheap drunk).  The name of the operation might change, but I doubt we are anywhere near a real departure.
I hope your "houseguest" arrives safe and sound...and in addition hope he never has to go in harms way.


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RE: Friend or Foe - American Jihad - 3/10/2010 11:04:22 PM   
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Let me see if I get this,prior to 9/11 he possesed the politicla capitol...and that fucking Osama guy created a destraction.....or Osama handed  him the capitol by bringing dowm the buildings?




9/11 provided the political capital, Mike.  No that doesn't mean I think there was a government conspiracy. 

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RE: Friend or Foe - American Jihad - 3/10/2010 11:25:22 PM   
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Let me see if I get this,prior to 9/11 he possesed the politicla capitol...and that fucking Osama guy created a destraction.....or Osama handed  him the capitol by bringing dowm the buildings?




9/11 provided the political capital, Mike.  No that doesn't mean I think there was a government conspiracy. 
Never meant to imply that was your "pahunk" inspire point Rich...just wanted to be clear on the timeline as far as the political capitol part,...And now that your poin is clear  allow me to disagree.... Indeed Bush possesed  unprecendeted political capitol following 9/11, and promtly squandered it when he diverted himself to his "moby dickish" facination with going after Sadamm...hell Rich lets expand on that ...an American President actually posessed huge loads of capitol and legitimacy within the Islamic community.....and squandered that while raising the spectre of "Crusades"...and that was his biggest and what will prove to be his most damaging and enduring fuck up.

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