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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/11/2010 4:52:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		I still can't believe that we were sold the TSA with the argument that terrorists were criminal masterminds wanting to destroy us.  Hell, I'd put the average high school kid up against a terrorist before the min wage TSA guards.

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/11/2010 4:55:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Crotch bomber went through three international airports on his way to Denver, each with more sophisticated equipment and security checking than the last; Schiphol (NL) is regarded as being one of the best. The positioning of the bomb rendered it undetectable, the way it had been wrapped and rewrapped meant that no trace of the explosive was detected by the "sniffers", and these new scanners apaprently would not have detected it.

At Schiphol, because it was a flight to the US, the passenger list was sent ahead and checked against the no-fly list and came back clean. The passengers were each interviewed by specially trained staff to detect any abnormal reactions and stories about the reason for their trip and our friend passed, even though he had next to no luggage and no coat for when he landed in Denver at midwinter. It was only when the flight was in the air that he became noted as being "of interest", although even then the connection was not made between the various sources of intel that might have resulted in the aircraft being returned to Schiphol, rather than him being met by agents for a grilling.

These scanners are just another example of being seen to be doing something all in all. Even as a non-terrorist I can think of at least five ways to get my bomb past all of the security, including the scanners. In the meantime, my claim for breach of human rights when and if I am obliged to stand before such a scanner will be interesting and possibly very lucrative - there is no law against being pre-op and in fact every protection in EU law.

Meanwhile, El Al - the highest priority target, has not suffered any problems for decades. But then they use behavioural analysts to observe passengers and pick out those who demonstrate warning signs, amongst other techniques.

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/11/2010 5:02:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

I still can't believe that we were sold the TSA with the argument that terrorists were criminal masterminds wanting to destroy us.  Hell, I'd put the average high school kid up against a terrorist before the min wage TSA guards.

Amtrak's looking better and better all the time.



The plans tho- are to take security mobile- and to anywhere there is public.    Shopping- schools, sports- all will copy the airports.    It is in the homeland security white papers.

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/11/2010 5:15:19 AM   
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Doesn't anyone see the idiocy of this?



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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/11/2010 5:23:52 AM   
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Meanwhile, El Al - the highest priority target, has not suffered any problems for decades. But then they use behavioural analysts to observe passengers and pick out those who demonstrate warning signs, amongst other techniques.



Bingo. The Israelis have airport security down to a 't'. They're fierce about it, and it works - takes a while to get in and out of the country, but that's real security. These things will give the ignorant a false sense of security, provide plenty of wank fodder for perverts, and breach every privacy law known to us.

Why not take a leaf from the Israelis' book? Because there's money to be made for the companies that manufacture these machines. And the sheep bleat on happily, talking of non-issues, and defending the right of the perverts to oggle at our naked bodies.

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/11/2010 10:41:58 AM   
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It always amuses me how the masses can be manipulated into complaining about things that really are a non-issue. 


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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/11/2010 5:01:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Alex warned about this months ago.

These machines leak out - radiation-  which can cause cancer.   But irregardless- these will go into airports- malls- shopping - anywhere that they need security.

they also will keep a permanent pic of the subject- - and store it forever-


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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/11/2010 5:03:38 PM   
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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/11/2010 5:05:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		you kidding me? thats the only way those government dopes will ever see a set of boobs lol

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/11/2010 5:07:44 PM   
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Meanwhile, El Al - the highest priority target, has not suffered any problems for decades. But then they use behavioural analysts to observe passengers and pick out those who demonstrate warning signs, amongst other techniques.



Bingo. The Israelis have airport security down to a 't'. They're fierce about it, and it works - takes a while to get in and out of the country, but that's real security. These things will give the ignorant a false sense of security, provide plenty of wank fodder for perverts, and breach every privacy law known to us.

Why not take a leaf from the Israelis' book? Because there's money to be made for the companies that manufacture these machines. And the sheep bleat on happily, talking of non-issues, and defending the right of the perverts to oggle at our naked bodies.

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/11/2010 10:25:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just watched a show on Discovery channel about the bomber...  they said that the body scanners at Schipol weren't even being used when he went through.

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/11/2010 11:42:24 PM   
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the body scanners at Schipol weren't even being used when he went through.
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The positioning of the bomb rendered it undetectable, the way it had been wrapped and rewrapped meant that no trace of the explosive was detected by the "sniffers", and these new scanners apaprently would not have detected it.
  
So we will be buying things that may not be used, to find crotch bombs that can't be found, to make our society...only feel...more secure?

Very expensive pacifier/security blankie.

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/11/2010 11:50:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Apparently, the scanners weren't being used then because of discussions with the USA about them.. it didnt say WHAT those discussions were about.

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/12/2010 5:19:49 AM   
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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/12/2010 5:26:43 AM   
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personally I don't have a problem with them if it means I won't crash and burn when flying.


The trouble is, it doesn't. What it does is spend hundreds of millions of dollars that could be spent on real security measures, in order to give the illusion that they're doing something effective. This whole thing became an urgent issue because of the Christmas bomber, and even the TSA admits that these scanners would never gave detected the bomb he was wearing. Yet they're using that incident as an example of why it's so urgent that we buy carloads of these damned things and install them everywhere as soon as possible, so that we'll be safe from something that they never would have protected against in the first place. Doesn't anyone see the idiocy of this?



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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/12/2010 8:28:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I read an article about this somewhere.......forgive me I do not remember where......several weeks ago that used the same imagine in the initial OP. It was about people freaking out. The imagine shown was apparently NOT from this piece of equipment. Someone created the image shown in the OP to create hysteria (imagine that). The article showed the real images created by these machines, which are considerably less interesting. It also said that the face of the images are purposely blurred by the machines.

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/12/2010 10:04:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		It would be interesting to see what the real pictures would look like then, though when it comes to children I doubt I'd change my opinion.  I don't think merely blurring a face would bother a pedophile.

If these were a magic bullets against bombs on planes or wherever, a lot of us could maybe learn to deal with it, but will this really deter ones like the crotchbomber.  I'm sure organized groups share information and will teach how to get around this device.  It's not like it's rocket science to do so.

If the purpose is to scan bodies, what would security have to do when some people like myself sew clothes to mess up this machine's scan?  Would there be a strip search and orifice check room at the mall or school or subways? 

Once people MUST be scanned, then anything blocking this scan would be suspicious and would have to be checked out, right? 

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/12/2010 11:43:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		All you have to do to defeat these scanners is stick a quarter pound of C4 up your ass. It's about the size of a candy bar, and it's more than enough to blow an airliner in flight in half. Once the plane is in the air, go the bathroom and pull it out. Takes 30 seconds. You can blow the plane out of the sky without even leaving the bathroom. These scanners prevent nothing - they serve only to make it slightly more difficult to bring down a plane, while making people feel secure by giving them the illusion that something is being prevented.

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/12/2010 12:30:22 PM   
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Meanwhile, El Al - the highest priority target, has not suffered any problems for decades. But then they use behavioural analysts to observe passengers and pick out those who demonstrate warning signs, amongst other techniques.



Bingo. The Israelis have airport security down to a 't'. They're fierce about it, and it works - takes a while to get in and out of the country, but that's real security. These things will give the ignorant a false sense of security, provide plenty of wank fodder for perverts, and breach every privacy law known to us.

Why not take a leaf from the Israelis' book? Because there's money to be made for the companies that manufacture these machines. And the sheep bleat on happily, talking of non-issues, and defending the right of the perverts to oggle at our naked bodies.


I hate to admit, but I'm mostly in agreement with you on this, kittin.

However, the only question I have is:

Do you therefore support the type of profiling that the Israelis do in order to achieve this level of success?

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/12/2010 1:13:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since the way Israeli security officers do the profiling is by asking passengers intelligent questions, and not by singling out people according to their ethnic origins, my answer is yes.

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