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Short selling...leave it alone. - 3/10/2010 9:19:26 PM   
MrRodgers


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Status: offline 		This is politics because there is new law to restrict the technique in stocks called 'short selling.' That makes this politics as it effects our freedoms to join the capitalist.

I am going to be simple here, I have made $1,000's on a stock it having gone up. Then I got out. Then sold short and made $1,000's more. There should be no restrictions at all. It was not and should not be against any law to 'short sell' a stock.

It's like counting cards in black jack, they can throw you out...why ? None of this is cheating. Issac Newton told us, you can solve all problems...with math. Short selling is a risk that the stock will go down, counting cards is beating the casino at its own game.

This is a free country but we all know how these laws come about. Those with the greatest interest (money) involved...set the rules and there you have it. Agree ?
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RE: Short selling...leave it alone. - 3/10/2010 9:28:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

This is politics because there is new law to restrict the technique in stocks called 'short selling.' That makes this politics as it effects our freedoms to join the capitalist.

I am going to be simple here, I have made $1,000's on a stock it having gone up. Then I got out. Then sold short and made $1,000's more. There should be no restrictions at all. It was not and should not be against any law to 'short sell' a stock.

It's like counting cards in black jack, they can throw you out...why ? None of this is cheating. Issac Newton told us, you can solve all problems...with math. Short selling is a risk that the stock will go down, counting cards is beating the casino at its own game.

This is a free country but we all know how these laws come about. Those with the greatest interest (money) involved...set the rules and there you have it. Agree ?



You already know that the big boys make the rules. You seem rational enough to then understand that this puts the odds in their favor... similarly to a casino.

Why do you want to play their game?

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RE: Short selling...leave it alone. - 3/10/2010 9:29:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
It was not and should not be against any law to 'short sell' a stock.

It's like counting cards in black jack, they can throw you out...why ? None of this is cheating. Issac Newton told us, you can solve all problems...with math. Short selling is a risk that the stock will go down, counting cards is beating the casino at its own game.
This is a free country but we all know how these laws come about. Those with the greatest interest (money) involved...set the rules and there you have it. Agree ?


Indeed- wouldn't want to interfere with the casino!

I for one, welcome our new financial overlords!

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RE: Short selling...leave it alone. - 3/10/2010 9:29:34 PM   
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RE: Short selling...leave it alone. - 3/10/2010 9:45:52 PM   
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RE: Short selling...leave it alone. - 3/10/2010 9:49:42 PM   
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Yes creepy money men made the bs.

Well you know there are sexy, attractive ever-so-kinky money men out there. Many don't have to 'short sell' their cocks either.

Seriously, nobody has a problem with the herd mentality that often causes a stock to go up as in a bubble but bitch to get law that restricts my right to make a profit...when the bubble deflates. Not fair.

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RE: Short selling...leave it alone. - 3/10/2010 10:04:54 PM   
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If they want to outlaw something, have them outlaw margin purchases. 



Quoted for truth.

This sounds like another of those well meaning attempts to ban stupidity. As usual coming at the expense of civil liberties. Broadly speaking short selling is a losing strategy. The market is too volatile for consistent prediction unless the holder possesses, and uses, insider information. At best, it is a high risk, high return, high cost (all those trades cost money) strategy. If an investor chooses to follow it, more power to them, but they need to be willing to take the hit and lose everything.


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RE: Short selling...leave it alone. - 3/10/2010 10:39:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

quote:

ORIGINAL: heartcream

Yes creepy money men made the bs.

Well you know there are sexy, attractive ever-so-kinky money men out there. Many don't have to 'short sell' their cocks either.

Seriously, nobody has a problem with the herd mentality that often causes a stock to go up as in a bubble but bitch to get law that restricts my right to make a profit...when the bubble deflates. Not fair.

Well equally seriously,and to continue your casino analogy....there is no law betting with the house,against the shooter,in craps....but no one cheers you when you win!

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RE: Short selling...leave it alone. - 3/10/2010 10:44:30 PM   
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Seriously, nobody has a problem with the herd mentality that often causes a stock to go up as in a bubble but bitch to get law that restricts my right to make a profit...when the bubble deflates. Not fair.


I used to play this game. No more, and it doesn't matter what side of the trade. I don't even want to be associated with those parasites by playing their game. I'm out... permanently.

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RE: Short selling...leave it alone. - 3/10/2010 10:54:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

This is politics because there is new law to restrict the technique in stocks called 'short selling.' That makes this politics as it effects our freedoms to join the capitalist.

I am going to be simple here, I have made $1,000's on a stock it having gone up. Then I got out. Then sold short and made $1,000's more. There should be no restrictions at all. It was not and should not be against any law to 'short sell' a stock.

It's like counting cards in black jack, they can throw you out...why ? None of this is cheating. Issac Newton told us, you can solve all problems...with math. Short selling is a risk that the stock will go down, counting cards is beating the casino at its own game.

This is a free country but we all know how these laws come about. Those with the greatest interest (money) involved...set the rules and there you have it. Agree ?



yeh me too!  Fear pays better than greed!

I agree and the ban on th e401s is imo criminal because it locks these people up to one sided trading and like you said.....


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RE: Short selling...leave it alone. - 3/10/2010 10:58:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
It was not and should not be against any law to 'short sell' a stock.

It's like counting cards in black jack, they can throw you out...why ? None of this is cheating. Issac Newton told us, you can solve all problems...with math. Short selling is a risk that the stock will go down, counting cards is beating the casino at its own game.
This is a free country but we all know how these laws come about. Those with the greatest interest (money) involved...set the rules and there you have it. Agree ?


Indeed- wouldn't want to interfere with the casino!

I for one, welcome our new financial overlords!


not a casino in the sense there is no rhyme or reason to it because there is lots of rhyme and reason to it.  Hell I wrote a program that auto trades and does pretty good I might add.


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RE: Short selling...leave it alone. - 3/10/2010 10:59:30 PM   
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To fix things up in this country, it should be considered to make it illegal to use borrowed money to invest in paper of any kind. But that doesn't work and is unconstitutional.

So the best thing to do is to be informed.

T

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RE: Short selling...leave it alone. - 3/10/2010 11:07:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

This is politics because there is new law to restrict the technique in stocks called 'short selling.' That makes this politics as it effects our freedoms to join the capitalist.

I am going to be simple here, I have made $1,000's on a stock it having gone up. Then I got out. Then sold short and made $1,000's more. There should be no restrictions at all. It was not and should not be against any law to 'short sell' a stock.

It's like counting cards in black jack, they can throw you out...why ? None of this is cheating. Issac Newton told us, you can solve all problems...with math. Short selling is a risk that the stock will go down, counting cards is beating the casino at its own game.

This is a free country but we all know how these laws come about. Those with the greatest interest (money) involved...set the rules and there you have it. Agree ?



yeh me too!  Fear pays better than greed!

I agree and the ban on th e401s is imo criminal because it locks these people up to one sided trading and like you said.....

Just thinking out loud here ,but given it is "in your opinion" that we never actually won the War of Independance(and are in fact still a possesion of the Royal's)and the Holocaust is a hoax....just how much stock do you expect me to place in any statement that contains the proviso"imo"?
heads off to learn everything he can about e401s....

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RE: Short selling...leave it alone. - 3/11/2010 5:27:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, I don't necessarily agree with your conclusion.

Just sounds at first blush like more Democrat nanny-statism to me.

But I'd have to know more about who passed what rule when.

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RE: Short selling...leave it alone. - 3/11/2010 8:50:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

This is politics because there is new law to restrict the technique in stocks called 'short selling.' That makes this politics as it effects our freedoms to join the capitalist.

I am going to be simple here, I have made $1,000's on a stock it having gone up. Then I got out. Then sold short and made $1,000's more. There should be no restrictions at all. It was not and should not be against any law to 'short sell' a stock.

It's like counting cards in black jack, they can throw you out...why ? None of this is cheating. Issac Newton told us, you can solve all problems...with math. Short selling is a risk that the stock will go down, counting cards is beating the casino at its own game.

This is a free country but we all know how these laws come about. Those with the greatest interest (money) involved...set the rules and there you have it. Agree ?



yeh me too!  Fear pays better than greed!

I agree and the ban on th e401s is imo criminal because it locks these people up to one sided trading and like you said.....

Just thinking out loud here ,but given it is "in your opinion" that we never actually won the War of Independance(and are in fact still a possesion of the Royal's)and the Holocaust is a hoax....just how much stock do you expect me to place in any statement that contains the proviso"imo"?
heads off to learn everything he can about e401s....


hey and 7mm pills can do uturns too!  you better believe it!


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RE: Short selling...leave it alone. - 3/11/2010 4:52:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

This is politics because there is new law to restrict the technique in stocks called 'short selling.' That makes this politics as it effects our freedoms to join the capitalist.

I am going to be simple here, I have made $1,000's on a stock it having gone up. Then I got out. Then sold short and made $1,000's more. There should be no restrictions at all. It was not and should not be against any law to 'short sell' a stock.

My understanding of short selling it that you reserve something you don't own and then sell it back at market value rather than the value you reserved it for, thus you are in effect stealing from the organisation you've reserved it from originally.

I don't understand why this practice is allowed to happen, seems madness. Also if the party doing it is big big enough they can influence the market; artificially inflating the price as they reserve in bulk and then selling when the price falls.


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RE: Short selling...leave it alone. - 3/11/2010 9:37:01 PM   
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No, I don't necessarily agree with your conclusion.

Just sounds at first blush like more Democrat nanny-statism to me.

But I'd have to know more about who passed what rule when.

Has nothing whatever to do with dems so-called nanny state. We 'nanny' billions to the capitalist (and farmers) anyway and that doesn't seem to strike a nerve...why ?

This is a law that is totally unnecessary unless we should have another to restrict buying when a stock goes up. I mean we wouldn't want to create another bubble stock market right ?

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RE: Short selling...leave it alone. - 3/11/2010 9:37:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		SL, if you really want to cinsider the morality of this type of issue, explain the principles of the futures market.

It's all greed. Once this whole shithole got started, we were locked into it. It is where many people get (or got) their retirement checks. And they wanted to privatize SS ? They would have to be nuts. Or just the greediest creatures on the planet, one or the other.

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RE: Short selling...leave it alone. - 3/11/2010 10:10:18 PM   
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RE: Short selling...leave it alone. - 3/12/2010 5:43:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

quote:

ORIGINAL: truckinslave

No, I don't necessarily agree with your conclusion.

Just sounds at first blush like more Democrat nanny-statism to me.

But I'd have to know more about who passed what rule when.

Has nothing whatever to do with dems so-called nanny state. We 'nanny' billions to the capitalist (and farmers) anyway and that doesn't seem to strike a nerve...why ?

This is a law that is totally unnecessary unless we should have another to restrict buying when a stock goes up. I mean we wouldn't want to create another bubble stock market right ?



I agree that it is totally unnecessary.
I was questioning why it was passed, and asking by whom.

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