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RCdc -> Smoke of Satan... (3/11/2010 4:36:13 AM)

Smoke of Satan

The Devil Is at work inside the Vatican says the the Vaticans Chief Exorcist Father Gabriele Amorth and sex abuse scandals are the proof!

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DarlingSavage -> RE: Smoke of Satan... (3/11/2010 6:40:11 AM)

The devil made me do it.[8|]




Kirata -> RE: Smoke of Satan... (3/11/2010 7:07:05 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: RCdc

Smoke of Satan


My Dear Wormwood, you sniveling little worm,

Are you trying to get me scorched? Our Father Below does not like this sort of thing at all, and as your Mentor he will hold me responsible. If I have told you once, I've told you a thousand times that our work is best accomplished invisibly, by the arts of sublety and deception, by leading astray, by appealing to logic to silence the heart, so that the person thinks he is being wise in turning away from the Enemy. We do not want publicity, you little jackass.

By all that is profane, Wormwood, don't you remember the unspeakable wrath that our Father Below delivered upon those of his minions who were involved in that Amityville embarrassment? I know I will never forget it. I thought the Vatican would be a good assignment for you, and look at how you reward me! You must make this go away, you little snip, or there will be Heaven to pay. That exorcist must be made to look a fool. If you can induce the Pope to apologize for the remarks, even better.

Get busy, or I will personally shove your tail down your throat and choke you with it.

Your loving uncle,

K.



(with apologies to C.S.Lewis)




GotSteel -> RE: Smoke of Satan... (3/11/2010 8:09:14 AM)

"He was among Vatican officials who warned that J. K. Rowling's Harry Potter novels made a 'false distinction between black and white magic'."

"He approves, however, of the 1973 film The Exorcist, which although "exaggerated" offered a "substantially exact" picture of possession. "

Wow.....that's just sad.




Aneirin -> RE: Smoke of Satan... (3/11/2010 12:23:05 PM)

What, he has only just discovered this fact, where's he been, what's he been doing, for that place has centuries old guilt. He may call what has been found out the work of Satan if he wishes, being an exorcist that would be his description, but it's really about the Catholic priesthood once being thought of as Godly, untouchable in whatever they did, but times have changed, the modern world has caught up and seen through their lies, they are losing the power they once had and are now running scared.




DarlingSavage -> RE: Smoke of Satan... (3/11/2010 3:20:25 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: RCdc

Smoke of Satan


My Dear Wormwood, you sniveling little worm,

Are you trying to get me scorched? Our Father Below does not like this sort of thing at all, and as your Mentor he will hold me responsible. If I have told you once, I've told you a thousand times that our work is best accomplished invisibly, by the arts of sublety and deception, by leading astray, by appealing to logic to silence the heart, so that the person thinks he is being wise in turning away from the Enemy. We do not want publicity, you little jackass.

By all that is profane, Wormwood, don't you remember the unspeakable wrath that our Father Below delivered upon those of his minions who were involved in that Amityville embarrassment? I know I will never forget it. I thought the Vatican would be a good assignment for you, and look at how you reward me! You must make this go away, you little snip, or there will be Heaven to pay. That exorcist must be made to look a fool. If you can induce the Pope to apologize for the remarks, even better.

Get busy, or I will personally shove your tail down your throat and choke you with it.

Your loving uncle,

K.





(with apologies to C.S.Lewis)



That's just beautiful!




HisSub1213 -> RE: Smoke of Satan... (3/11/2010 4:38:17 PM)

"Cardinals might be better or worse, but all have upright intentions and seek the glory of God," he said. Some Vatican officials were more pious than others..."

I think this disturbs me the most. Especially the "all have upright intentions". Maybe I'm just having a hard time understanding how those "upright intentions" are connected with molesting alter boys.




GotSteel -> RE: Smoke of Satan... (3/11/2010 10:19:27 PM)

Hmm..upright intentions, so that's what the Vatican’s calling erections now. It's kind of catchy phrase I think I'll use it.




BKSir -> RE: Smoke of Satan... (3/11/2010 10:54:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

"He was among Vatican officials who warned that J. K. Rowling's Harry Potter novels made a 'false distinction between black and white magic'."

"He approves, however, of the 1973 film The Exorcist, which although "exaggerated" offered a "substantially exact" picture of possession. "

Wow.....that's just sad.


He's just trying to cover up his crush on Daniel Radcliffe.




windchymes -> RE: Smoke of Satan... (3/12/2010 7:17:56 AM)

The guy's 85 years old. Sounds like a little senile dementia....lol

Although, I always thought that new pope just didn't have the kind, benevolent look in his eyes that JPII had, just sayin' O.o




Vendaval -> RE: Smoke of Satan... (3/12/2010 1:47:45 PM)

70,000 cases of possession? Are there that many demons or are some repeat offenders?




GotSteel -> RE: Smoke of Satan... (3/12/2010 10:07:23 PM)

Well, considering that the average nonincestuous pedophile molests 260 children I'd suspect that he's dealing with a lot of repeat offenders.




Brain -> RE: Smoke of Satan... (3/12/2010 11:08:03 PM)

Pope under fire for transfer, letter on sex abuse - Yahoo! News
 
Germany's sex abuse scandal has now reached Pope Benedict XVI: His former archdiocese acknowledged it transferred a suspected pedophile priest while Benedict was in charge and criticism is mounting over a 2001 Vatican directive he penned instructing bishops to keep abuse cases secret.

The revelations have put the spotlight on Benedict's handling of abuse claims both when he was archbishop of Munich from 1977-1982 and then the prefect of the Vatican office that deals with such crimes — a position he held until his 2005 election as pope.

Hours later, the Munich archdiocese admitted that it had allowed a priest suspected of having abused a child to return to pastoral work in the 1980s, while Benedict was archbishop. It stressed that the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger didn't know about the transfer and that it had been decided by a lower-ranking official.

Victims advocates weren't persuaded.

"We find it extraordinarily hard to believe that Ratzinger didn't reassign the predator, or know about the reassignment," said Barbara Blaine, president and founder of SNAP, Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests.

The pope, meanwhile, continues to be under fire for a 2001 Vatican letter he sent to all bishops advising them that all cases of sexual abuse of minors must be forwarded to his then-office, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and that the cases were to be subject to pontifical secret.

Germany's justice minister, Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger, has cited the document as evidence that the Vatican created a "wall of silence" around abuse cases that prevented prosecution. Irish bishops have said the document had been "widely misunderstood" by the bishops themselves to mean they shouldn't go to police. And lawyers for abuse victims in the United States have cited the document in arguing that the Catholic Church tried to obstruct justice.

 
But canon lawyers insisted Friday that there was nothing in the document that would preclude bishops from fulfilling their moral and civic duties of going to police when confronted with a case of child abuse.
 
They stressed that the document merely concerned procedures for handling the church trial of an accused priest, and that the secrecy required by Rome for that hearing by no means extended to a ban on reporting such crimes to civil authorities.
 
"Canon law concerning grave crimes ... doesn't in any way interfere with or diminish the obligations of the faithful to civil laws," said Monsignor Davide Cito, a professor of canon law at Rome's Santa Croce University.
 
The letter doesn't tell bishops to also report the crimes to police.
 
But the Rev. John Coughlin, a law professor at the University of Notre Dame Law School, said it didn't need to. A general principle of moral theology to which every bishop should adhere is that church officials are obliged to follow civil laws where they live, he said.
 
Yet Bishop John McAreavey of Dromore in Northern Ireland, told a news conference this week that Irish bishops "widely misinterpreted" the directive and couldn't get a clear reading from Rome on how to proceed.
 
"One of the difficulties that bishops expressed was the fact that at times it wasn't always possible to get clear guidance from the Holy See and there wasn't always a consistent approach within the different Vatican departments," he said.
 
"Obviously, Rome is aware of this misinterpretation and the harm that this has done, or could potentially do, to the trust that the people have in how the church deals with these matters," he said.
 
An Irish government-authorized investigation into the scandal and cover up harshly criticized the Vatican for its mixed messages and insistence on secrecy in the 2001 directive and previous Vatican documents on the topic.
 
"An obligation to secrecy/confidentialtiy on the part of participants in a canonical process could undoubtedly constitute an inhibition on reporting child sexual abuse to the civil authorities or others," it concluded.
 
In the United States, Dan Shea, an attorney for several victims, has introduced the Ratzinger letter in court as evidence that the church was trying to obstruct justice. He has argued that the church impeded civil reporting by keeping the cases secret and "reserving" them for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
 
"This is an international criminal conspiracy to obstruct justice," Shea told The Associated Press.
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Associated Press reporters Geir Moulson and Kirsten Grieshaber in Berlin and Shawn Pogatchnik in Dublin contributed to this report.
 




DarlingSavage -> RE: Smoke of Satan... (3/12/2010 11:27:28 PM)

Satan




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