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tazzygirl -> The new Buddhist atheism (3/11/2010 11:29:04 AM)

The new Buddhist atheism

A book setting out the principles of a pared-down Buddhism has won praise from arch-atheist Christopher Hitchens

In God is Not Great, Christopher Hitchens writes of Buddhism as the sleep of reason, and of Buddhists as discarding their minds as well as their sandals. His passionate diatribe appeared in 2007. So what's he doing now, just three years later, endorsing a book on Buddhism written by a Buddhist?


The new publication is Confession of a Buddhist Atheist. Its author, Stephen Batchelor, is at the vanguard of attempts to forge an authentically western Buddhism. He is probably best known for Buddhism Without Beliefs, in which he describes himself as an agnostic. Now he has decided on atheism, the significance of which is not just that he doesn't believe in transcendent deities, but is also found in his stripping down of Buddhism to the basics.


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an interesting read

amazing what people will write to be "accepted"




mnottertail -> RE: The new Buddhist atheism (3/11/2010 11:33:47 AM)

A Buddhing athiest? What next may come?




Jeffff -> RE: The new Buddhist atheism (3/11/2010 11:47:49 AM)

I am a Buddhist anteater.... it is a constant struggle for ME. That ants being reincarnated and all.


Jeff




Fellow -> RE: The new Buddhist atheism (3/11/2010 12:09:28 PM)

I see atheists as critics of the religions (organized religions in particular). The rest of their contribution to understanding of things or philosophy  is negligible. It comes no surprise (considering the nature of Buddhist teachings) Buddhism has some immunity.




Jeffff -> RE: The new Buddhist atheism (3/11/2010 12:11:35 PM)

And Taoism?




Kirata -> RE: The new Buddhist atheism (3/11/2010 1:30:29 PM)

It is principally Western religions that conceive of God as a separate "supreme being" somewhere. The teachings of the Upanishads, for example, are that "All is Brahman," the entire universe, and all life in it. Experiencing this Supremely Conscious state is the essence of Self-Realization. "Thou art That." You are God, everything is God, there is nothing but God. The word God in this context means the Ultimate Reality, not a powerful entity sitting around somewhere "out there" watching us (or not). So really, it's not just Buddhism that doesn't believe in the God of Western religious doctrine.

K.




Moonhead -> RE: The new Buddhist atheism (3/11/2010 2:04:40 PM)

It wouldn't be buddhist if it did. I always find the fact that people can't get their heads around that a bit feeble.




GotSteel -> RE: The new Buddhist atheism (3/11/2010 2:53:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Fellow
I see atheists as critics of the religions (organized religions in particular).

Not just organized religions, we're critical of the magic crystal lickers too.
quote:

ORIGINAL: Fellow
The rest of their contribution to understanding of things or philosophy is negligible.

Bull.




Musicmystery -> RE: The new Buddhist atheism (3/11/2010 3:49:25 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Fellow

I see atheists as critics of the religions (organized religions in particular). The rest of their contribution to understanding of things or philosophy  is negligible. It comes no surprise (considering the nature of Buddhist teachings) Buddhism has some immunity.


Then your vision isn't very good.




Musicmystery -> RE: The new Buddhist atheism (3/11/2010 3:53:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

And Taoism?


See, here's the thing. Everybody's like Christians this, Muslims that, Buddhists this other thing, Atheists etc. (how the fuck is the lack of belief a belief?), but nobody thinks of the poor Taoists.

Monotheists, sure, get up, pray to One God, five times if you're Muslim (Christians are too holy for that---once a week is good, or even just Christmas and Easter), and they're good to go.

But Taoists? First, there's Tao. Then there's the twins, Ying and Yang. And then, there they are, the Ten Thousand Things!

My day planner is a disaster area.





DarlingSavage -> RE: The new Buddhist atheism (3/11/2010 4:11:04 PM)

Life, all life
began without words.

Life is made - and no one owns it.

The Tao is neither selfish nor proud.

The Tao is generous and graceful in what it does
Without ever claiming any merit.

And the sage's greatness lies
in taking no credit.




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: The new Buddhist atheism (3/11/2010 4:30:20 PM)

This is the reason why nobody knows what the sage does for a living.

Pretty soon those in the adjoining office cubicles are going to be demanding an explanation of what benefit he brings to life corp.




couldbemage -> RE: The new Buddhist atheism (3/11/2010 4:39:31 PM)

Ya know, thomas jefferson did just about the same thing to the cristian religion.




Jeffff -> RE: The new Buddhist atheism (3/11/2010 4:41:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

My day planner is a disaster area.



My day planner is what it is. What else could it be?


LaoJeff




DarlingSavage -> RE: The new Buddhist atheism (3/11/2010 5:01:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

This is the reason why nobody knows what the sage does for a living.

Pretty soon those in the adjoining office cubicles are going to be demanding an explanation of what benefit he brings to life corp.



LMAO! Ok, time for alcohol!




LadyAngelika -> RE: The new Buddhist atheism (3/11/2010 5:38:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata

It is principally Western religions that conceive of God as a separate "supreme being" somewhere. The teachings of the Upanishads, for example, are that "All is Brahman," the entire universe, and all life in it. Experiencing this Supremely Conscious state is the essence of Self-Realization. "Thou art That." You are God, everything is God, there is nothing but God. The word God in this context means the Ultimate Reality, not a powerful entity sitting around somewhere "out there" watching us (or not). So really, it's not just Buddhism that doesn't believe in the God of Western religious doctrine.

K.


That's pretty much how I see it. Atheism is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. Buddha was not a deity. Neither was Lao Tzu. They were essentially spiritual philosophers. In fact, Taoism was a philosophy until China turned it into a religion in the late Han Dynasty.

I've never seen a contradiction between the original philosophical teachings Taoism, Confucianism and Buddhism and Atheism.

- LA




Musicmystery -> RE: The new Buddhist atheism (3/11/2010 6:29:05 PM)

"Filled with Brahman are all things that are; filled with Brahman are all things that are not."

--Upanishads

Without Brahman, even the gods are powerless.




Jeffff -> RE: The new Buddhist atheism (3/11/2010 7:00:48 PM)

"We are all alright, really"

pooh




tazzygirl -> RE: The new Buddhist atheism (3/11/2010 9:25:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata

It is principally Western religions that conceive of God as a separate "supreme being" somewhere. The teachings of the Upanishads, for example, are that "All is Brahman," the entire universe, and all life in it. Experiencing this Supremely Conscious state is the essence of Self-Realization. "Thou art That." You are God, everything is God, there is nothing but God. The word God in this context means the Ultimate Reality, not a powerful entity sitting around somewhere "out there" watching us (or not). So really, it's not just Buddhism that doesn't believe in the God of Western religious doctrine.

K.


That's pretty much how I see it. Atheism is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. Buddha was not a deity. Neither was Lao Tzu. They were essentially spiritual philosophers. In fact, Taoism was a philosophy until China turned it into a religion in the late Han Dynasty.

I've never seen a contradiction between the original philosophical teachings Taoism, Confucianism and Buddhism and Atheism.

- LA



Not that i am arguing your point... im not. I just found it curious that he would denounce Buddhism then come out for it after a book is written in the "new world" form.

In God is Not Great, Christopher Hitchens writes of Buddhism as the sleep of reason, and of Buddhists as discarding their minds as well as their sandals. His passionate diatribe appeared in 2007. So what's he doing now, just three years later, endorsing a book on Buddhism written by a Buddhist?


followed by...

It's a moving and thoughtful book that does not fear to challenge. It will cause consternation, not least for its quietly harsh critique of Tibetan Buddhism as authoritarian. It is full of phrases that stick in the mind, such as "religion is life living itself."


Hitchens calls it "honest" and "serious", a model of self-criticism, and an example of the kind of ethical and scientific humanism "in which lies our only real hope". The endorsement makes sense because Batchelor's is an account of Buddhism for "this world alone". His deployment of reason and evidence, coupled to the imperative to remake Buddhism and hold no allegiance to inherited doctrines, would appeal to Hitchens. And not just Hitchens.


For it's also striking that the first date on the tour Batchelor is currently undertaking to launch the book was hosted not by a temple or meditation centre, but by the humanist chaplaincy of Harvard University. Batchelor's preferred term is "secular" Buddhism, but his work clearly appeals to some atheistic humanists – not least Greg Epstein, the humanist chaplain at Harvard.


Buddhism rewritten for the modern world... now called secular Buddhism.

Epstein sees Batchelor's contributions as part of a trend in contemporary humanism, one he calls the "new humanism". It's a humanism that focuses not so much on assertions and campaigns, as on an attempt to forge a humanly nourishing way of life. When I ask him, Epstein is nervous of the word "spiritual", though he's keen that organised humanism does more than just "sitting around and philosophising." He himself came to humanism after studying Buddhism. He practices meditation. He tells me that Batchelor's bold attempts to remake Buddhism are appreciated in American humanist circles. There is a hunger for it, he explains, from those who recognise the need for community and ritual. A practice of meditation can provide both: community via the concept of sangha – coming together with a common intent or purpose; ritual by the regular need to practice.

Seems once again we have a whole bunch of words being twisted to mean new things based upon the belief of a small group of people.

Remaking Buddhism... should be interesting.




InvisibleBlack -> RE: The new Buddhist atheism (3/11/2010 9:30:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
Atheism is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. Buddha was not a deity. Neither was Lao Tzu. They were essentially spiritual philosophers. In fact, Taoism was a philosophy until China turned it into a religion in the late Han Dynasty.

I've never seen a contradiction between the original philosophical teachings Taoism, Confucianism and Buddhism and Atheism.

- LA


 
But... but... what about the Taoist Crusades!? The War of the Three Buddhas!? The Confucian Inquisition!?
 
Oh. Wait. Wrong continent.
 
Nevermind...
 




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