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Real0ne -> MUSLIM COURTS HAVE HEARD 100 CASES IN BRITAIN (3/14/2010 12:09:31 AM)
YABA DUBBA DOO!!!!! By Martin Stote and David Pilditch ISLAMIC law has been officially adopted in Britain with Sharia courts already hearing more than 100 cases. Labour last night faced a backlash over claims the Government had quietly sanctioned powers for Sharia judges. The rulings of a network of five Sharia courts are enforceable with the full authority of the judicial system as they are now classed as tribunal hearings under British law. Their powers extend to civil cases, including divorce and financial disputes, along with those involving domestic violence. Last night MPs and pressure groups said the courts would divide the British legal system. Shadow Home Secretary Dominic Grieve said: “These tribunals have no place in passing binding decisions in divorce or criminal justice hearings. Far from handling more criminal cases they should be handling none at all.” Douglas Murray, director of the Centre for Social Cohesion, said: “I think it’s appalling. I don’t think arbitration that is done by Sharia should ever be endorsed or enforced by the British state.” http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/61476/Muslim-courts-have-heard-100-cases-in-Britain

truckinslave -> RE: MUSLIM COURTS HAVE HEARD 100 CASES IN BRITAIN (3/14/2010 5:01:45 AM)
Most in the US refuse to face the anti-PC facts that: 1. Religious belief transcends citizenship. 2. Religious belief is the antithesis of personal freedoms. 3. The Koran requires sharia whenever and wherever its implementation is possible. 4. It only takes one side to start a war. Islam yearns for the realization of the European caliphate (as a stepping-stone to a world dominated by Islam) for which they've struggled for almost a millenium. The only questions in my mind are when some country in Europe will wake up (my best guesses are The Netherlands or France), and what exact spark will start the coming conflagration. The west has two choices: war with Islam, or submission to sharia. Most of us would find little joy in sharia.

Politesub53 -> RE: MUSLIM COURTS HAVE HEARD 100 CASES IN BRITAIN (3/14/2010 5:34:44 AM)
Arbitration panels are nothing new in the UK, as well as civil courts working alongside criminal courts. There was much made of this at the time the article was published, 18 months ago. Criminal courts have not been superceded by Sharia courts. Muslims are subject to the same laws as anyone else. As for Muslims taking over the world, Cheney and Bush did a great job scaring you didnt they.

truckinslave -> RE: MUSLIM COURTS HAVE HEARD 100 CASES IN BRITAIN (3/14/2010 5:37:52 AM)
quote: As for Muslims taking over the world, Cheney and Bush did a great job scaring you didnt they. Not at all. They're just typical PC clowns. GWB in particular has no concept of #2, above. Reading history, looking at current events, and above all, reading the Koran, yeah, that scared the shit out of me.

Politesub53 -> RE: MUSLIM COURTS HAVE HEARD 100 CASES IN BRITAIN (3/14/2010 5:40:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave quote: As for Muslims taking over the world, Cheney and Bush did a great job scaring you didnt they. Not at all. They're just typical PC clowns. GWB in particular has no concept of #2, above. Reading history, looking at current events, and above all, reading the Koran, yeah, that scared the shit out of me. So how many ordinary Muslims do you know ? I am not talking of extremists, as plenty of Religions have those, I mean how many law abiding Muslims do you come into contact. I suspect from your posts that it isnt very many.

JonnieBoy -> RE: MUSLIM COURTS HAVE HEARD 100 CASES IN BRITAIN (3/14/2010 5:44:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 As for Muslims taking over the world, Cheney and Bush did a great job scaring you didnt they. Grinz Bloody right there ROFLMAO (errr ... "right"as in "correct" ... as opposed to political stance ... just to make clear to my "cousins") Pirate

JonnieBoy -> RE: MUSLIM COURTS HAVE HEARD 100 CASES IN BRITAIN (3/14/2010 5:49:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 So how many ordinary Muslims do you know ? I am not talking of extremists, as plenty of Religions have those, I mean how many law abiding Muslims do you come into contact. Uncomfortable suspicion that "resident expert on all things Muslim" might be me !!! (scary ... innit ? ) Pirate

truckinslave -> RE: MUSLIM COURTS HAVE HEARD 100 CASES IN BRITAIN (3/14/2010 6:05:52 AM)
The fact is very few. There simply aren't many in WV. My former dentist. I think, (for purely ethnic reasons) that my childs pediatrician is Muslim. But the narrowness of my anecdotal experiences with Muslims- or the width of yours- has nothing to do with history, Islamic politics, Muslim doctrine, or anything else of importance. The fact remains that Muslim clerics in France, England, and The Netherlands are all calling for the imposition of sharia. Some see little chance of war in that, or in the changing demographics of those countries, or in Europe as a whole. I see the inevitability of it.

Politesub53 -> RE: MUSLIM COURTS HAVE HEARD 100 CASES IN BRITAIN (3/14/2010 6:42:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave But the narrowness of my anecdotal experiences with Muslims- or the width of yours- has nothing to do with history, Islamic politics, Muslim doctrine, or anything else of importance. The narrowness of your experiences has everything to do with it. Sure, there are firebrand clerics here in the UK, but the majority of Muslims view there views as extrme, just as I view the BNP ( racist right wing ) My point to you is that if you actually took time to talk to these people, and I appreciate that you cant, then you would stop seeing them as some kind of monster race insistent on taking over the world.

rulemylife -> RE: MUSLIM COURTS HAVE HEARD 100 CASES IN BRITAIN (3/14/2010 6:51:22 AM)
Thanks for that breaking news story. Keep us updated on the latest election polls between McCain and Obama.

JonnieBoy -> RE: MUSLIM COURTS HAVE HEARD 100 CASES IN BRITAIN (3/14/2010 6:57:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave But the narrowness of my anecdotal experiences with Muslims- or the width of yours- has nothing to do with history, Islamic politics, Muslim doctrine, or anything else of importance. The narrowness of your experiences has everything to do with it. Sure, there are firebrand clerics here in the UK, but the majority of Muslims view there views as extrme, just as I view the BNP ( racist right wing ) My point to you is that if you actually took time to talk to these people, and I appreciate that you cant, then you would stop seeing them as some kind of monster race insistent on taking over the world. Unlike Nick Griffin, who looks like a monster (quote me) is very insistent, isn't appreciated around where he lives at all but ... has fuck all chance, no matter what ambition he has, of taking over the world. I don't think he gets to meet or interact with many Muslims either, and firebranding is exactly what he needs. snort Pirate

LadyEllen -> RE: MUSLIM COURTS HAVE HEARD 100 CASES IN BRITAIN (3/14/2010 6:58:30 AM)
http://www.matribunal.com/index.html Its an arbitration tribunal under ADR (Alternative Dispute Resolution). It does not and cannot deal with criminal cases but rather civil cases where both sides have agreed to take part, presumably because they each would prefer an ADR procedure compared to a full court hearing and presumably because they each would prefer an Islamic flavour to things. Far from superceding English law, the ADR procedure takes part within the legal system and is subject to its jurisdiction and limitations. A party feeling poorly done by under the ADR may still take legal action in the courts. The idea of ADR is to provide a quicker and cheaper way of resolving disputes. It is available throughout the ordinary English legal system and the courts encourage its use wherever possible. The world is not coming to an end. E

truckinslave -> RE: MUSLIM COURTS HAVE HEARD 100 CASES IN BRITAIN (3/14/2010 7:14:02 AM)
28% of your Muslims, if I remember the poll correctly, expressed sympathy/agreement with your own subway bombers. I have talked to those I know. Which has nothing to do with the aspirations of hegemony held by Imams the world over.

Politesub53 -> RE: MUSLIM COURTS HAVE HEARD 100 CASES IN BRITAIN (3/14/2010 11:15:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave 28% of your Muslims, if I remember the poll correctly, expressed sympathy/agreement with your own subway bombers. I have talked to those I know. Which has nothing to do with the aspirations of hegemony held by Imams the world over. So that means 72% didnt.

Sanity -> RE: MUSLIM COURTS HAVE HEARD 100 CASES IN BRITAIN (3/14/2010 11:28:11 AM)
Were those 72% being honest, or were they appropriately worried that if they said they were true to the teachings of Mohammad they would then become pariahs. It is alright for Muslims to lie to nonbelievers to further the cause of Islam, after all. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave 28% of your Muslims, if I remember the poll correctly, expressed sympathy/agreement with your own subway bombers. I have talked to those I know. Which has nothing to do with the aspirations of hegemony held by Imams the world over. So that means 72% didnt.

Politesub53 -> RE: MUSLIM COURTS HAVE HEARD 100 CASES IN BRITAIN (3/14/2010 11:31:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Were those 72% being honest, or were they appropriately worried that if they said they were true to the teachings of Mohammad they would then become pariahs. It is alright for Muslims to lie to nonbelievers to further the cause of Islam, after all. Who knows Sanity, you may be right, or the other 28% could be lying to look big in front of their mates. My point remains that the majority of Muslims in the UK are against extremism.

Sanity -> RE: MUSLIM COURTS HAVE HEARD 100 CASES IN BRITAIN (3/14/2010 11:40:36 AM)
I believe that the majority are, as well. Its that minority who are dangerous though, and 28% is a lot. Remember the recent Paris riots? 28% can be significant, and I really suspect that the actual numbers are higher.

Moonhead -> RE: MUSLIM COURTS HAVE HEARD 100 CASES IN BRITAIN (3/14/2010 12:51:10 PM)
Care to state where you got that 28% figure from? I'd like to know that you have a source for that, rather than making up a number by rolling a d100. Presumably it's pointless even mentioning that none of the bombers in 2005 came from very devout backgrounds and that if any of them had actually known the Koran, they most likely wouldn't have done that in the first place. Now if you were to argue that it was a protest over the British presence in Iraq and Afghanistan, that would work.

Sanity -> RE: MUSLIM COURTS HAVE HEARD 100 CASES IN BRITAIN (3/14/2010 1:18:14 PM)
Follow the thread back. I too recall seeing the poll, though I don't recall the specifics, what the percentages were. But advocating the bombing of civilians, isn't that supposed to be a bad thing? Or are Muslims exempt from such moral judgment because it only applies to Westerners for some unknowable reason. quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Care to state where you got that 28% figure from? I'd like to know that you have a source for that, rather than making up a number by rolling a d100. Presumably it's pointless even mentioning that none of the bombers in 2005 came from very devout backgrounds and that if any of them had actually known the Koran, they most likely wouldn't have done that in the first place. Now if you were to argue that it was a protest over the British presence in Iraq and Afghanistan, that would work.

Real0ne -> RE: MUSLIM COURTS HAVE HEARD 100 CASES IN BRITAIN (3/14/2010 1:38:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Follow the thread back. I too recall seeing the poll, though I don't recall the specifics, what the percentages were. But advocating the bombing of civilians, isn't that supposed to be a bad thing? Or are Muslims exempt from such moral judgment because it only applies to Westerners for some unknowable reason. quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Care to state where you got that 28% figure from? I'd like to know that you have a source for that, rather than making up a number by rolling a d100. Presumably it's pointless even mentioning that none of the bombers in 2005 came from very devout backgrounds and that if any of them had actually known the Koran, they most likely wouldn't have done that in the first place. Now if you were to argue that it was a protest over the British presence in Iraq and Afghanistan, that would work. seems to me the first people to do that was when they created the state of israel. the tradition still carries on today only now its the other side doing it "too".

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