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lally2 -> RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! (3/15/2010 1:55:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA . a) Under the guise of this dynamic (and in a LEGAL sense), if one is "unwilling", then consent has NOT been given. to varying degrees - once a submissive has entered an understanding between herself and her Dominant that S&m will be a large part of their dynamic 'unwilling' does not mean consent has been withdrawn. i have 'consented' by dint of being there and felt massively unwilling. in the spirit of healthy Ds and/or Ms the legal side of things is moot. b) When consent HAS been given, then the only CONSENSUAL/LEGAL pairing is one of a Sadist and massochist (because only a masso would give their consent); leaving the Sadist forever unfulfilled, and left to only "playing" the Sadist. i would argue that even the submissives and slaves who do not actually get off on the pain, argue till their blue in the face that they are unwilling to go through pain, are there, for some reason or another because the pain, struggle to endure, struggle to please, struggle to survive it, satisfies a level of massochism in them. they may not be the type of massochist that processes pain as pleasure, but they are still massochists. why else would they seek a place with a sadist. no one is forcing them into an S&m based relationship. on some level or another their 'misery' is satisfying them. recently theres been a thread about someone being spanked for punishment, im sorry, i cant take those threads seriously at all - call me cynical. the whole 'it was so awful' thing is a thin disguise to what is really going on there. a need to be chastised and taken through pain hits a core level in a sub or slave that identifies with CP as a legitimate form of correction within their dynamic. it feeds a need or they wouldnt be there. im not the type of masso that gets off on huge levels of pain, but i have endured huge levels of pain for a Master - why? because it settles something in me, it satisfies the need to struggle, it forces me to submit when at times i struggle to. it takes away choice and insists that i stay still. all of that gives me catharsis. i consented by being there and accepting what would happen before it happened but at no time did my sadistic Master doubt that i was struggling like hell to stay put and he totally got off on that and giving him that outlet was all part of why i stayed still and took it. .

came4U -> RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! (3/15/2010 1:59:00 PM)
quote: im not the type of masso that gets off on huge levels of pain, but i have endured huge levels of pain for a Master - why? because it settles something in me, it satisfies the need to struggle, it forces me to submit when at times i struggle to. it takes away choice and insists that i stay still. all of that gives me catharsis. i consented by being there and accepting what would happen before it happened but at no time did my sadistic Master doubt that i was struggling like hell to stay put and he totally got off on that. I get that., makes sense to me.

DomImus -> RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! (3/15/2010 7:15:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissBeautiful2U I've never heard that to be a sadist you should want to inflict the pain on an unknowing or unwilling partner. That thought offends my sense of responsibility. I think that definition is more appropriate of a societal sadist that one within our own ranks. Part of the struggle of sadism and sadists in this thing that we do is finding a balance between our consent based system and that stricter societal model that does not include consent which strikes a happy medium for each of the participants. quote: I consider myself a sadist because I enjoy inflicting pain, but I want the person I am playing with to enjoy it on some level. While I want them be able to derive some sense of fulfillment or satisfaction from the activity (perhaps after the fact) I don't particularly care whether they enjoy the specific activity and indeed will seek out those activities that they do not enjoy. We are all different sadists on different journeys with different ultimate destinations. A s long as we can arrive at that happy medium (which will likely be different for each couple/group) it's all good.

AlexandraLynch -> RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! (3/16/2010 1:00:36 AM)
For me, at least, the answer is that I don't really give a fuck about what you define yourself as, as long as you react to what I do. The thing that will cause me to turn on the ceiling lights and pack up the floggers is someone who just soaks it and takes it. Screw that. I want reactions.

Level -> RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! (3/16/2010 4:11:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aileen1968 quote: ORIGINAL: ownedbyPF As I said, not a maso, no sub space. I feel every bit of aganozing torment. Yet, I need it. I desperately need him to take me, use me, and beat me without any regard for my "enjoyment", or for me. THAT makes me wet and hot! However, honestly, when it's happening, I don't even realize I'm wet. I don't realize it until he stops for a few minutes and fingers me or some such thing and suddenly I'm like... omg... I'm crazy wet! This entire thing you've written is me exactly. You've worded it better than I ever could. Thank you. *But, isn't* this masochism?**

Aileen1968 -> RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! (3/16/2010 4:21:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level quote: ORIGINAL: Aileen1968 quote: ORIGINAL: ownedbyPF As I said, not a maso, no sub space. I feel every bit of aganozing torment. Yet, I need it. I desperately need him to take me, use me, and beat me without any regard for my "enjoyment", or for me. THAT makes me wet and hot! However, honestly, when it's happening, I don't even realize I'm wet. I don't realize it until he stops for a few minutes and fingers me or some such thing and suddenly I'm like... omg... I'm crazy wet! This entire thing you've written is me exactly. You've worded it better than I ever could. Thank you. *But, isn't* this masochism?** Good morning Level... I always thought that to be considered a masochist, one had to orgasm from the pain. That's my definition for it. I don't orgasm from it. I just curse him up and down.

LadyAngelika -> RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! (3/16/2010 4:25:17 AM)
I agree with Level, that sounds a lot like masochism to me. And no, you don't have to orgasm from pain to be a masochist. You don't even have to like it, but you just have to crave it. - LA

Aileen1968 -> RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! (3/16/2010 4:27:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika I agree with Level, that sounds a lot like masochism to me. And no, you don't have to orgasm from pain to be a masochist. You don't even have to like it, but you just have to crave it. - LA Ah fuck me. Don't tell ShoreBound cause now he's gonna bump it up another notch. [:)]

LadyAngelika -> RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! (3/16/2010 4:31:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aileen1968 quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika I agree with Level, that sounds a lot like masochism to me. And no, you don't have to orgasm from pain to be a masochist. You don't even have to like it, but you just have to crave it. - LA Ah fuck me. Don't tell ShoreBound cause now he's gonna bump it up another notch. [:)] Aileen... I'm a sadist. What is ShoreBound's email? ;-) - LA

Level -> RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! (3/16/2010 4:32:31 AM)
Good morning, Aileen/beach bunny [:D] Yup, I agree with LA agreeing lol. But don't worry, I'm sure Shore won't see this. [:-]

Aileen1968 -> RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! (3/16/2010 4:34:29 AM)
He's laying right next to me at this very moment....

Level -> RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! (3/16/2010 4:41:42 AM)
Smack'er! Wallop'er! She likes it!

LadyAngelika -> RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! (3/16/2010 4:48:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aileen1968 He's laying right next to me at this very moment.... Do you have Skype and good speakers? ;-) - LA

keylargowayne -> RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! (3/16/2010 6:10:32 AM)
to me a masochist enjoys the pain humiliation and degredation for it's own sake while a submissive slave submits to a superiors discipline and torture for the sexual relief it provides. i have been turned on sexually by pain since being spanked by my very strict father during puberty and the degree of submission has grown to accepting heavy pain to please a dominant man/sadist as well as my own needs

RavenMuse -> RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! (3/16/2010 6:53:17 AM)
A very narrow vision of what constitutes a 'sadist' in the OP. I've been refereed to as a 'sadistic bastard' many times, and with good reason yet the level of pain I dish out is of no interest to Me, what pushes My sadistic buttons is reactions. I Own a maso, that doesn't mean she enjoys all pain, what it means is that she needs a certain amount of pain regularly in her life. Depending on mindset in that moment, she maybe enjoying it or she maybe hating every second of it, doesn't change the fact that she needs it. Also We have that holy grail.... compatibility. she reacts strongly when she is enjoying it, she reacts even more strongly when she isn't.... I can and do enjoy both her positive and her negative reactions to it. Plus if I am in the mood for positive reactions and she isn't in the mindset to handle 'brutal' I know her well enough to play in different ways, with sensual but slowly built pain which will always get Me the reactions I want.... Likewise when I am in the mood to chase a negative reaction, no matter how maso she is feeling there are kinds of pain she doesn't like "Its the wrong pain Grommit!"... I always get what I want, she gets what she needs, it works.

ownedbyPF -> RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! (3/16/2010 9:46:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika I agree with Level, that sounds a lot like masochism to me. And no, you don't have to orgasm from pain to be a masochist. You don't even have to like it, but you just have to crave it. - LA I quoted LA, but am replying to both you and Level :) Uh hmmmmmm..... gulp.... aileen this isn't exactly going well all of the sudden for us....[&o] :) I guess it's because you always hear people saying how they love the pain and how they subspace and how this is lovely and did I mention the part where they say they love the pain? [:D] And they talk about everything it does for them. I haven't ever felt like that, any of that. I hate the pain, I'd like to say I didn't need it, but I do. Like I said, I crave it, need it. and hate it. I don't even know I'm wet because I'm so wrapped up in how aganozing it. For me, it's all about being so utterly used and stripped down and having nothing about me matter. It's sufferring for him. I guess it's a mental thing without enjoying the physical thing? Probaby now I'm babbling![&:] Is that masochism? I mean is needing it even though I don't enjoy it in the way alot of people seem to... masochism? Is need the qualifier in this? I guess it is. I just never identified as one because I don't have all the happy good stuff to say about it that others seem to say. Yep baaaaabbbbbllllliiiinnnnggggg[&:] ~s

lally2 -> RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! (3/16/2010 10:33:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedbyPF quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika I agree with Level, that sounds a lot like masochism to me. And no, you don't have to orgasm from pain to be a masochist. You don't even have to like it, but you just have to crave it. - LA I quoted LA, but am replying to both you and Level :) Uh hmmmmmm..... gulp.... aileen this isn't exactly going well all of the sudden for us....[&o] :) I guess it's because you always hear people saying how they love the pain and how they subspace and how this is lovely and did I mention the part where they say they love the pain? [:D] And they talk about everything it does for them. I haven't ever felt like that, any of that. I hate the pain, I'd like to say I didn't need it, but I do. Like I said, I crave it, need it. and hate it. I don't even know I'm wet because I'm so wrapped up in how aganozing it. For me, it's all about being so utterly used and stripped down and having nothing about me matter. It's sufferring for him. I guess it's a mental thing without enjoying the physical thing? Probaby now I'm babbling![&:] Is that masochism? I mean is needing it even though I don't enjoy it in the way alot of people seem to... masochism? Is need the qualifier in this? I guess it is. I just never identified as one because I don't have all the happy good stuff to say about it that others seem to say. Yep baaaaabbbbbllllliiiinnnnggggg[&:] ~s there are quite a few of us around actually - i know it blew my brains out too - i even started a thread on this very topic a while back, just to get my head around it- in the end, the general concensus was that on some level or another i achieved a catharsis. maybe the same for you too. i have never reached subspace, i dont even get horny - im not even sure if i crave it. but i do need it when im in a relationship - the 'trouble' with us is that to some degree or another we need to be with a sadist or at least someone who enjoys enflicting pain and watching us struggle with it otherwise theres no point. why go through something hellish for youre M when it leaves them cold or vaguely squicked out - but to endure high levels of pain from a sadistic partner can (and has for me) taken me way way beyond what im capable of to the point where ive had to back out of a relationship because i just couldnt deliver to that level on certain activities. even for someone like me there is 'good' pain (i can handle it) and bad pain (i really really really really cant handle it beyond a certain point) - if youre with a sadist that 'certain point' is where theyre heading and that got too much of a mindfuck eventually. i realised a while back that i dont need to be with an all out sadist, but i do need to be with someone who enjoys inflicting enough pain on certain parts of my body (that i can handle) for me to reach that struggle thing and even go beyond that struggle thing. im just saying really - to any subs who identify with this at all. be careful what you wish for you might just get it [&:]

Smutmonger -> RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! (3/16/2010 6:50:00 PM)
This is why I don't feel a lot of guilt in infliciting this sort of thing on someone who really has a submissive need. I know that it leads to a from of resolution and closure when all is said and done.

Andalusite -> RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! (3/16/2010 7:08:03 PM)
I dunno - sometimes I do just lay there and glow at him, sometimes I'm so deeply in subspace that I'm incapable of saying "red," or my own name, or walking, sometimes I feel primal and wild, sometimes I feel like I'm so tough, I can take this, sometimes I break down sobbing until snot is running from my nose, sometimes I scream, sometimes knifeplay and vampire gloves tickle and send me into hysterical laughter until I can barely breathe, sometimes I freeze and go inside of myself and kind of go numb, one time I fainted. I don't just have one reaction or response, and people seem to be talking as though a given submissive or bottom or slave will always respond the same way. My Master can almost always get the response he wants from me, but sometimes both of us get surprised.

Kana -> RE: Calling All SADISTS ! ! ! (3/16/2010 8:35:32 PM)
I'm a sadist and I find the idea of (true) non consentual sex repugnant. Hell, I'm a sadist, not a rapist. I'l take a girl, do what I want, use her as I desire, but she has to surrender. For me, that's the heart of the whole eroticism-her ceding of the will-she must willing yield to what is to be done.. Funny thing sadism. There's a trillion ways to be sadistic, but it requires some imagination to think outside the box and I would argue,a twisted form of artistry, in its highest forms. Sadism can be words, acts, planting fears, suggestions. It can also be whips, chains, screams, pain. It can be pain mental, emotional, spiritual or physical. I have yet to find a girl who is masochistic in all categories. Everybody has weak spots, vulnerabilities, places they don't like being hit. So yeah, I do like masochists, they tend to wind up my gears, let my imagination and wicked tastes roam unfettered and free. and yeah, I have yet to find one I can't make suffer in some ways. Now outside of BDSM, if someone does anything to me that bothers me to the point where I am following through with sadistic actions-you can bet your ass I'm going to enjoy their suffering.

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