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Termyn8or -> Service us (3/14/2010 11:50:39 PM)

So now a corporation has rights. Let's run this through the tit ringer real quick.

A milliion or so of us could then incorporate, at the cost of a a few dollars each. Our bidding in law would be done by a robot. Preprogrammed to our wishes.

There is a corporation vying for a seat right now, but our platform might just be a bit better. If the idea caught on we could actually wind up governed by machines. It is indeed a scary thought - at first. But give it a second thought.

Machines do not take bribes (well at least on the base model I guess), they don't go running around in yachts while Rome burns, they don't need blowjobs in the oval office and they don't need the best fucking retirement package in the world.

I dunno about y'all, but I am at the point that the idea is not quite so scary anymore. With the right prgramming machines could rule this world alot better than the greedsters who run it now, and are destroying it. With logical computation skills at least they wouldn't kill the goose that layed their golden egg.

The assholes who run the world today just don't understand just how self destructive they are. A computer could build a model of the future, and adjust it's behavior to suit the circumstances, and rule logically, and again, a machine does not eat, breathe, come with the byproduct of greed or the need for a blowjob.

I know this seems out of character for me, but look at the fucking characters who run the place now. And it is so bad now that I really do think they are stupid, irregardless of their greed level. They are killing us, and they know it and they don't care. At least a computer program would see what an asset is and reconfigure how it handles that asset. I think a program could be written that could govern alot better than they do, just on simple logic.

Am I crazy ?

T




Musicmystery -> RE: Service us (3/14/2010 11:58:15 PM)

It's been tried.

"What are doing, Dave?"

--Hal





pahunkboy -> RE: Service us (3/15/2010 12:01:16 AM)

machines can not go to jail.






Termyn8or -> RE: Service us (3/15/2010 12:12:01 AM)

Hunky, would that be because they can't for some unspecified reason or possibly that they are rarely, if ever programmed to break the Law ? (except for my P2P)

T




pahunkboy -> RE: Service us (3/15/2010 1:33:31 AM)

Dones come to mind.   Red light cameras.

How about when the computer makes an error that connects to your wallet?




Termyn8or -> RE: Service us (3/15/2010 3:28:40 AM)

In the end, it ALL conects to your wallet in some way.

T




pahunkboy -> RE: Service us (3/15/2010 12:57:09 PM)

All the more reason the become a sovereign.




subfever -> RE: Service us (3/15/2010 2:00:51 PM)

quote:

Am I crazy ?


No, you're not crazy. The idea is brilliant, and has been thought of by others. However, it won't work under our current capitalistic system. We need to change our basic economic system first.  




Real0ne -> RE: Service us (3/15/2010 2:13:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
The assholes who run the world today just don't understand just how self destructive they are. A computer could build a model of the future, and adjust it's behavior to suit the circumstances, and rule logically, and again, a machine does not eat, breathe, come with the byproduct of greed or the need for a blowjob.

Am I crazy ?

T


why would you think destructive to you matters?  I assure you they are not to themselves.

Remember there is that hugemongous debt owed to the people?  Um... People!

guess what....  Yep you got it!  Bye bye!

Then you will hear...ooops all gone, why didnt we think to prevent that corporate fraud.  We gotta pass some laws right away!  Cant let that happen again!

Then all the retards will point their fingers at the leftees and rightees and up their assees and complain what a DUMB GOVERNMENT WE HAVE! 

I think they are doing a great job personally!  LOL




flcouple2009 -> RE: Service us (3/15/2010 5:12:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Am I crazy ?


yes




Termyn8or -> RE: Service us (3/15/2010 6:18:13 PM)

You want to know why I don't live in Florida ?

People. It is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. While there about 15 years ago I was watching one of their talking heads on the TV news. I will not forget those words.

"Florida legislature has passed a law making it a crime to.....". That was enough. If people accept that the government decides what is a crime and what is not, I do want them for neighbors. If they said that here in Cleveland I would be up in arms, almost literally. I would at the very least be all over the internet with it. You do not decide what is a crime, the act itself defines that. If it produces a victim it is a crime. If it does not it is not. I don't care who, or how opulent and powerful you may be, and even if you can mold laws into your own image using your influence, there is no way in hell your personal definition of a crime stands.

It doesn't matter to me, that there was no public outcry about this, nor even much public awareness. What matters is that we are talking a major media outlet here, and they are not a bunch of kids. Every word they broadcast is tailored to that market. That tells even more than a million "Man on the street" interviews. It tells of the peoples' attitude down there, and notice I did not capitalise it that time. A Citizen would tear half the court system up in most states, and they did. This resulted in some states going to "home rule" status. Colorado is one, but I think Florida is so far gone they needn't bother. You can't quote the Constitution in court without permission in a home rule state. It's all right there in the law, albeit a flea on an elephant.

Program that machine with the Constitution FIRST. The judge (requires a 486 or higher with 64MB of RAM) will automatically release any defendent who could defend on any Constitutional grounds, but then others of course have to eat the charge. The machine says "We got you dead to rights" and then the sentence is determined. Even in jury trials, to which we do have the right, there would be no selective exclusion of evidence as practiced today. I do know how to get around that, but shit, you have to cop a plea because you can't recite every word of every law on the books ? Bullshit. Most of the time if you demand that the judge read the statute under which you are charged, which is totally within your rights, the case will at the least get postponed. I know their game, and when they know that you know their game, they actually are the ones in fear, even as you sit in their jail. You HAVE to know what the fuck you are doing though. You play game with these people you have to go for a full acquittal usually, beause any reduced charges are likely to hit you with max sentences, and even winning you do not come out ahead.

Machines, if programmed properly completely eliminate this travesty of justice. Don't get me wrong, I have used connections and all the "tools of the trade" to keep my ass out of the sling over the years. Details are NOT available on request, but suffice it to say that it would have never happened that way if machines actually administered the justice. In fact my first bunch of DUIs started in my early twenties, and I literally had four first offenses in this state. Concurrently actually. A bragging point ? I don't think so. I am 49 now and I wish they would've slammed my ass hard the first time, knocked some fucking sense into me. I am not kidding here in the least bit.

I am kidding a bit about having us under rule of machine. It is not natural, and if said machine uses heiruistic(sp) reasoning, who can say that it will not get greedy ? But it beats what we have now. Revenue from traffic and parking tickets averages how much of a given locality's budget ? Quite a bit in some places. Their computer would of course be programmed to bring in the most money. Too many people move out causing a loss of property taxes ? Speeding fines go up ten bucks. Simple math. Property tax levy fails, write more tickets. Look up Linndale Ohio for alot of info on this game. I've played with them about a half a dozen times. Always charged, never convicted. But copped a plea and they got my money. So did my lawyer, but I had a volume discount.

This whole game has to stop. Those who extract our money must be removed. There is no other way to have a true and just society. It should be illegal to levy fines. Make them do it only for the purpose of public safety rather than their bills.

Speed, so many hours in jail, you lost time from work. Drive home. Driving drunk ? Drive home, after sitting in jail for at least a few months, and pay for parking. Fuck taking your right to travel away, it does not work, it didn't work with me. They took me down and hard in that respect yet I drive almost every day. They failed. Their whole system failed, if their intentions are actually as stated.

T




tazzygirl -> RE: Service us (3/15/2010 6:30:44 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: subfever

quote:

Am I crazy ?


No, you're not crazy. The idea is brilliant, and has been thought of by others. However, it won't work under our current capitalistic system. We need to change our basic economic system first.  



You have made this kind of comment before, and i have asked before, without a response from you. But, hey, im going to ask again....

How would you change it?

I mean, really, what you are saying sounds like a parrort talking. I would love to see some definitive ideas from you backing up that kind of statement.




Musicmystery -> RE: Service us (3/15/2010 6:37:19 PM)

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Termyn8or -> RE: Service us (3/15/2010 6:44:37 PM)

taz, that is why I brought it up in a discussion forum. I don't have the solution, I have a few ideas that noone likes that may help, but I don't pretend to have all the answers.

You KNOW the problem is rooted in the People. We are inert. They provide us with plastic candidates and we can choose tweedle dee or tweedle dum. They both carry their brain between their legs.

I started a thread to ask if there was just one thing we could agree upon. One of my suggestions was that elected officials must use the same retirement and healthcare they administer for us. Not a fucking peep of agreement. How the hell can you disagree with that ?

We have no common ground on which to base any solidarity because people are just too goddam selfish in this country. Letum eat cake. I do not eat cake. What I mean by that is prepare yourself, the shit is really going to hit the fan, then and only then can we start to build some solidarity. Hope it's not too late.

T




Smutmonger -> RE: Service us (3/15/2010 6:44:42 PM)

Sounds good to me,I loved the terminator movies.




Musicmystery -> RE: Service us (3/15/2010 6:50:26 PM)

[image]http://bloodandstardust.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/terminator.jpg[/image]




Termyn8or -> RE: Service us (3/15/2010 7:00:27 PM)

Now who the hell ripped her off of her best ASSets ?

T




Smutmonger -> RE: Service us (3/15/2010 7:09:20 PM)

It least it's a unit that comes sans pms.




tazzygirl -> RE: Service us (3/15/2010 7:16:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

taz, that is why I brought it up in a discussion forum. I don't have the solution, I have a few ideas that noone likes that may help, but I don't pretend to have all the answers.

You KNOW the problem is rooted in the People. We are inert. They provide us with plastic candidates and we can choose tweedle dee or tweedle dum. They both carry their brain between their legs.

I started a thread to ask if there was just one thing we could agree upon. One of my suggestions was that elected officials must use the same retirement and healthcare they administer for us. Not a fucking peep of agreement. How the hell can you disagree with that ?

We have no common ground on which to base any solidarity because people are just too goddam selfish in this country. Letum eat cake. I do not eat cake. What I mean by that is prepare yourself, the shit is really going to hit the fan, then and only then can we start to build some solidarity. Hope it's not too late.

T


Isnt it Cheney who rushes off to the hospital everytime he feels a chest twinge? Im not pointing fingers at the republicans, im sure the dems and libs abuse the system just as much. I dont think that kind of system is what we, the public. need. But perhaps it is good that for our elected officials, they do have that kind of health care.

Lets twist this a bit...

McCain won... Palin is VP... McCain has chest pains... which insurance do you want him to have?




Termyn8or -> RE: Service us (3/15/2010 8:34:12 PM)

None.

T




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