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RE: As April 15th Approaches... - 3/15/2010 7:31:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		No matter how we reform the manner in which we collect taxes... that does not touch upon the bigger problem - how it is all spent. Having said that I like what I have read about the Fair Tax. No tax is not an option and the suggestion is not terribly astute. Any government requires a certain amount of capital to function and provide the basics like a military.

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RE: As April 15th Approaches... - 3/15/2010 7:32:33 PM   
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RE: As April 15th Approaches... - 3/15/2010 7:35:31 PM   
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RE: As April 15th Approaches... - 3/15/2010 7:38:59 PM   
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Any government requires a certain amount of capital to function and provide the basics like a military.


Why do we need a military

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RE: As April 15th Approaches... - 3/15/2010 8:11:08 PM   
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Your choice. Zero percent interest.


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RE: As April 15th Approaches... - 3/15/2010 8:15:08 PM   
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RE: As April 15th Approaches... - 3/15/2010 8:18:43 PM   
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RE: As April 15th Approaches... - 3/15/2010 8:45:36 PM   
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With a twelve TRILLION dollar deficit it should be clear that our tax dollars mean pretty much nothing. If we have to pay for everything why are they borrowing the money ?

Where is Ken when you need him, he know mathymatiks.

T

The only way to reduce that debt, 12 trillion is teh debt not the deficit, is to reduce spending and/or increase taxes and pay it off slowly. It's how the US has paid off debt before and it will work again. We actually had it working quite well before that dark day in Nov 2000.

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RE: As April 15th Approaches... - 3/15/2010 8:52:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, the US did manage without an ongoing federal income tax until 1913. But I'm not suggesting that we move backwards in time.

I'm suggesting that we could move towards a tax-free society by morphing into a resource-based economy.

Of course, there is a formidable status quo composed of vested interests that will fight tooth and nail against change, as well as an indoctrinated population filled with thousands, perhaps millions of self-appointed guardians of the status quo.

However, the fact that previous attempts at social change have failed is no justification for us to stop trying. The real danger lies in complacence. The only limitations to the future of humankind are those that we impose upon ourselves.


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RE: As April 15th Approaches... - 3/15/2010 8:54:56 PM   
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With a twelve TRILLION dollar deficit it should be clear that our tax dollars mean pretty much nothing. If we have to pay for everything why are they borrowing the money ?

Where is Ken when you need him, he know mathymatiks.

T

The only way to reduce that debt, 12 trillion is teh debt not the deficit, is to reduce spending and/or increase taxes and pay it off slowly. It's how the US has paid off debt before and it will work again. We actually had it working quite well before that dark day in Nov 2000.


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RE: As April 15th Approaches... - 3/15/2010 9:03:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		We can start by curtailing this ridiculous foriegn aid.

Would you please define "ridiculous foriegn aid"

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RE: As April 15th Approaches... - 3/15/2010 9:05:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why do so many people write "rediculous?" And can't they see the red line?

And why are they done with taxes already and lord it over...others who are not?

Sadists.

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RE: As April 15th Approaches... - 3/15/2010 9:05:59 PM   
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I'm suggesting that we could move towards a tax-free society by morphing into a resource-based economy.


Could you explain what you mean by a resource-based economy? Examples may help as well, because, honestly, im not following.

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RE: As April 15th Approaches... - 3/15/2010 9:18:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, but I think it would be best to devote a new thread that fully explains a resource-based economy. I'll probably do this tomorrow morning, as I won't be up much later tonight.

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RE: As April 15th Approaches... - 3/15/2010 9:23:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why do so many people write "rediculous?" And can't they see the red line?


Perhaps because I cannot get the spell check to work on this forum,
Or maybe it is because I really can't spell very well and want anal people who can't respond critically to the questions asked to have something to post even if they cannot contribute intellectually to the discussion.

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RE: As April 15th Approaches... - 3/15/2010 9:26:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		You want someone to respond seriously to "no taxes?"

You should have some sex, I'm thinking.

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RE: As April 15th Approaches... - 3/15/2010 10:04:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK Ken, I mis--- err somethinged. It is the debt, it is not the same thing as the trade imbalance. But it's still twelve trillion we will have to print sooner or later, unless we change the trade imbalance in our favor.

Speaking of which, is there an actual figure out there indicating the cumulative trade imbalance say, decade by decade ? Something like that could prove alot of points on both sides. I think, although I haven't actually looked into it because I've been busy, that the growth of the national debt has closely paralelled the trade imbalance, if we adjust for a "drag" effect because there is so much credit flying around. It's another variable which skews the resuklts of analysis actually, so even with the raw numbers it needs a bit of consideration in the translation into normal English.

People used to sy to me that all this is simply money the government owes itself. That is what many of the sheeple think, and that is a big big problem IMO.

I'm sure you can come up with a site with graphs and all that with the numbers. But you might not want to, because I think it will prove my point. It's up to you.

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RE: As April 15th Approaches... - 3/15/2010 10:55:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subfever

Well, the US did manage without an ongoing federal income tax until 1913. But I'm not suggesting that we move backwards in time.

I'm suggesting that we could move towards a tax-free society by morphing into a resource-based economy.

Of course, there is a formidable status quo composed of vested interests that will fight tooth and nail against change, as well as an indoctrinated population filled with thousands, perhaps millions of self-appointed guardians of the status quo.

However, the fact that previous attempts at social change have failed is no justification for us to stop trying. The real danger lies in complacence. The only limitations to the future of humankind are those that we impose upon ourselves.



"resource based economy"? Really?

See if this sounds familiar to anyone, all goods and services would be held as common property of everyone and distributed as needed. IOW its communism with a fancy new label being peddled to gullible conpsiracy theorists.
http://www.thevenusproject.com/a-new-social-design/resource-based-economy

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RE: As April 15th Approaches... - 3/15/2010 11:22:08 PM   
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It will never happen as long as politicians from both parties continue to spend money like drunken sailors. (sorry popeye). It would be nice to see more money in everyones pocket instead of the federal govt getting more and more every time we turn around.


And it will never happen when nearly 1/2 the population pays no taxes and votes the wealth transfer party back in.

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RE: As April 15th Approaches... - 3/15/2010 11:32:06 PM   
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It will never happen as long as politicians from both parties continue to spend money like drunken sailors. (sorry popeye). It would be nice to see more money in everyones pocket instead of the federal govt getting more and more every time we turn around.


And it will never happen when nearly 1/2 the population pays no taxes and votes the wealth transfer party back in.



so then what vote libertarian huh


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