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atractivenuisane -> RE: for punishment (3/16/2010 8:36:20 AM)
That would be a relief. I'd be a bit embarrassed to be unshaven, but if the order came from above, I'd think of it as a vacation.

DesFIP -> RE: for punishment (3/16/2010 6:05:59 PM)
So what exactly does this do to correct the problem? It doesn't solve it for the future, it doesn't even inquire into the circumstances. It's just stupid and useless. If he's too dumb to find out why and figure out a solution to prevent the problem from reoccuring, then he deserves sleeping with a yeti.

fadedshadow -> RE: for punishment (3/16/2010 11:43:15 PM)
it wouldn't be a significant change for me lol

itsmeinLV -> RE: for punishment (3/17/2010 12:05:12 AM)
Punishment for the sub or the Dom? Cuz I think that's more a punishment for the Dom, lol!

fadedshadow -> RE: for punishment (3/17/2010 12:10:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: itsmeinLV Punishment for the sub or the Dom? Cuz I think that's more a punishment for the Dom, lol! ditto, me not shaving for 90 days is more of a reward than anything. i like having a beard lol

sunshinemiss -> RE: for punishment (3/18/2010 2:43:39 AM)
Yet another osf question that has only one answer.... it would depend on ....

RavenMuse -> RE: for punishment (3/18/2010 4:33:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss Yet another osf question that has only one answer.... it would depend on .... I can think of at least two more... "Define 'punishment'" and "'punishment' for what?"

DesFIP -> RE: for punishment (3/18/2010 4:47:12 AM)
RM, 'punishment for what' would require communication with the slave. And osf has clearly stated he is uninterested in that.

RavenMuse -> RE: for punishment (3/18/2010 4:52:20 AM)
Strange Des, apart from his OP I haven't seen him say anything in this thread? But to take up your point... if "Punishment for what" is irrelevant then it isn't punishment at all, just an excuse.

osf -> RE: for punishment (3/18/2010 6:00:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RavenMuse Strange Des, apart from his OP I haven't seen him say anything in this thread? But to take up your point... if "Punishment for what" is irrelevant then it isn't punishment at all, just an excuse. It was a question for the submissives to answer, not being submissive i don't have any feelings from that side so no answer and as for what, well i don't have time to list all the possibilities where have i said i'm not interested in communication? i've said may times i want control and can anybody tell me how that is accomplished without understanding?

Kana -> RE: for punishment (3/18/2010 6:12:39 AM)
Why would I want to punish myself? Sheesh. I give consequences that restrict her, not me.

antinomy -> RE: for punishment (3/18/2010 6:15:11 AM)
OSF, this is really no different than the thread you posted a while back in 'Ask a Master', about having a sub/slave undress in a restaurant. The "what if" factor being irrelevant to you. What you basically asked the doms is, "do you expect your sub/slave to obey?" The details just mucked things up. I see the same thing here. Who cares if they shave or not for 90 days? The real question you are asking is " would you obey?" And, I have to wonder why you would care? I mean, obviously, if you had control over a woman in the sense you wanted- you would want HER answer to be yes. But, not sure what purpose a question like this really serves otherwise? Even if 99.9% of the respondents said "no", it would have absolutely no bearing on you, what you are seeking, or what you want your relationship to look like.

Lucylastic -> RE: for punishment (3/18/2010 6:20:08 AM)
not shaving for 90 days? as long as I got some pretty beads to braid unshaved hair, ...nah not a punishment clink clink clink

RavenMuse -> RE: for punishment (3/18/2010 6:27:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf It was a question for the submissives to answer, not being submissive i don't have any feelings from that side so no answer and as for what, well i don't have time to list all the possibilities All putting a question on the submissives forum does is highlight that the questioner is mostly interested in answers from that perspective. It doesn't prohibit others answering, it is an open forum. No feelings from that side? nothing at all? No experience of dealing with submissives about such issues to draw on? The benefit of these being open forums is that oft the other side can point out an element that opens the discussion up and gets a more rounded response from the target group as well as the 'other' contributors. I for one welcome the submissive contributions on the Masters forum for that very reason. If you can't pin down the 'for what' then it looks (Not saying it is, just what that singular statement would seem to imply) like arbitrary bullshit rather than anything logical and stemming from a working Dynamic. Personally I don't pun a punishment dynamic. If she fucks up I will impose discipline, that is quite different than arbitrarily beating her ass. I look at the why of what happened and find out what needs to be done or put in place to help avoid it happening again. Punishment, on the rare occasion (Twice in over 2 and a half years... so far) it is used in this household is used to draw a line under something and prevent her from continuing to beat herself up over it, not to correct behaviour... communication is the primary means used for that. quote: where have i said i'm not interested in communication? i've said may times i want control and can anybody tell me how that is accomplished without understanding? That you can take up with des... As I said, I hadn't seen you say anything of the sort in this thread!

osf -> RE: for punishment (3/18/2010 6:32:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: antinomy OSF, this is really no different than the thread you posted a while back in 'Ask a Master', about having a sub/slave undress in a restaurant. The "what if" factor being irrelevant to you. What you basically asked the doms is, "do you expect your sub/slave to obey?" The details just mucked things up. I see the same thing here. Who cares if they shave or not for 90 days? The real question you are asking is " would you obey?" And, I have to wonder why you would care? I mean, obviously, if you had control over a woman in the sense you wanted- you would want HER answer to be yes. But, not sure what purpose a question like this really serves otherwise? Even if 99.9% of the respondents said "no", it would have absolutely no bearing on you, what you are seeking, or what you want your relationship to look like. I see a difference one was to masters, or whatever and this is asking the sub/whatevers how they feel The question was based on a real conversation I had with a sub and wondered how others felt about it. Do all questions stemming from curiosity have to have a direct bearing on the questioner? I probably wouldn’t have the question about a woman I controlled as I would hope I’d know her well enough to know the answer. A mistake a lot of people seem to make here is that they can glean insight into me from the questions I ask here, when most are just what if type questions and nothing more. If you want to know me, get to know me, take the time.

antinomy -> RE: for punishment (3/18/2010 6:35:38 AM)
I wanted to add something here. As OSF has stated, it's all about control for him. That said, I'm not sure that punishment means the same thing to me as it does to him. For punishment to be effective to ME, it generally has to fit the crime. About the only things I can see this one fitting are using His razor, when told not to....or not cleaning out the tub after I shaved. Yeah, I could see this as a legitimate punishment then. I would be uncomfortable for 90 days, and it would likely be EFFECTIVE in having me not commit said offenses in the future. I suppose, what I'm getting at is this: I don't understand the question as posed. Would I obey is really between my and my dominant. It's irrelevant anywhere else. And, when considering punishment, the question to me is really what's effective? If I forgot to feed the gosling (was going to say cat here, and decided to make it post specific...lol), and was told I could not shave for 90 days, there's no cause and effect going on. If, instead, I didn't get to have supper for a couple of days, I might better understand what I'd done wrong....

osf -> RE: for punishment (3/18/2010 6:40:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RavenMuse quote: ORIGINAL: osf It was a question for the submissives to answer, not being submissive i don't have any feelings from that side so no answer and as for what, well i don't have time to list all the possibilities All putting a question on the submissives forum does is highlight that the questioner is mostly interested in answers from that perspective. It doesn't prohibit others answering, it is an open forum. No feelings from that side? nothing at all? No experience of dealing with submissives about such issues to draw on? The benefit of these being open forums is that oft the other side can point out an element that opens the discussion up and gets a more rounded response from the target group as well as the 'other' contributors. I for one welcome the submissive contributions on the Masters forum for that very reason. If you can't pin down the 'for what' then it looks (Not saying it is, just what that singular statement would seem to imply) like arbitrary bullshit rather than anything logical and stemming from a working Dynamic. Personally I don't pun a punishment dynamic. If she fucks up I will impose discipline, that is quite different than arbitrarily beating her ass. I look at the why of what happened and find out what needs to be done or put in place to help avoid it happening again. Punishment, on the rare occasion (Twice in over 2 and a half years... so far) it is used in this household is used to draw a line under something and prevent her from continuing to beat herself up over it, not to correct behaviour... communication is the primary means used for that. quote: where have i said i'm not interested in communication? i've said may times i want control and can anybody tell me how that is accomplished without understanding? That you can take up with des... As I said, I hadn't seen you say anything of the sort in this thread! I haven't said anything because i wanted to see where it went and really had nothing to add and a simple what if question is being over complicated It was a how would you feel about X question, not X+Y or X-Y or 1/3X +/- 1/2Y

osf -> RE: for punishment (3/18/2010 6:47:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: antinomy I wanted to add something here. As OSF has stated, it's all about control for him. That said, I'm not sure that punishment means the same thing to me as it does to him. For punishment to be effective to ME, it generally has to fit the crime. About the only things I can see this one fitting are using His razor, when told not to....or not cleaning out the tub after I shaved. Yeah, I could see this as a legitimate punishment then. I would be uncomfortable for 90 days, and it would likely be EFFECTIVE in having me not commit said offenses in the future. I suppose, what I'm getting at is this: I don't understand the question as posed. Would I obey is really between my and my dominant. It's irrelevant anywhere else. And, when considering punishment, the question to me is really what's effective? If I forgot to feed the gosling (was going to say cat here, and decided to make it post specific...lol), and was told I could not shave for 90 days, there's no cause and effect going on. If, instead, I didn't get to have supper for a couple of days, I might better understand what I'd done wrong.... I see Three things as distinctively different discipline, correction and punishment Discipline as the structure of a relationship and it’s maintenance correction , as don’t do it that way, do it this way, problem solved punishment for willful and or repeated acts

RavenMuse -> RE: for punishment (3/18/2010 6:47:53 AM)
X without context rather strips it of relevance

osf -> RE: for punishment (3/18/2010 6:50:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RavenMuse X without context rather strips it of relevance the one answering is free to add their own context, think of this as a discussion where the question was meant to be made personal to the one answering the question

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