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RE: Creative control...... - 3/17/2010 6:29:35 PM

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As to the OP original post. My former owner knew how much I loved chocolate and when I greatly pleased him in some way, I was allowed to have a piece. A good friend of mine who has a couple subs serving him also uses that angle that when his boy and his pet done sometime above and beyond their service, he lets them indulge in an activity they (the subs) quite enjoy doing. His motto is: positive reinforcements gains better rewards for both.

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/17/2010 7:07:23 PM

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Thanks for all the support, ya'll. Geez, if I'd known the example I used was so offensive to ranja I would've chosen something else, like doorknobs or something! Of course those might be a challenge to smoke! lol But, seriously folks, there's always the possibility that he may have a rather moderate opinion on the whole issue and is just getting a little kick outta trying to stir people up. Either way, I don't really care. There's one in every family.

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/17/2010 9:31:58 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ranja

Smoking is bad for your health, it simply stinks,
i know there still are people who very much like to to it, but even they do not deny it is bad for your health... and if they can still smell anything at all they might even agree that most things smell nicer than cigs.

the op's daddy rewards her by giving her a cancer stick if she is good
she calls this creative control

i call it stupid

You know what else isn't healthy? Drinking alcohol. Eating fast food. Not exercising. Getting into rebound relationships. Being a stuntman. Being in the military. Bladeplay. Most types of sex. Being a boxer. Being a U.S. football player. Chocolate. Enemas. Germophobia....

Really, it's almost cute that you took your own personal issue and tried to paint it as a health concern, but it's so desperately short-sighted it falls out of the realm of anything rational.

And, being fixated so overtly on a personal crusade over one thing that a human can do to him/herself as being unhealthy when it (doing something "unhealthy") is an inevitable and inescapable part of life...I call that "stupid".

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/18/2010 2:20:15 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

You know what else isn't healthy? Drinking alcohol. Eating fast food. Not exercising. Getting into rebound relationships. Being a stuntman. Being in the military. Bladeplay. Most types of sex. Being a boxer. Being a U.S. football player. Chocolate. Enemas. Germophobia....

Really, it's almost cute that you took your own personal issue and tried to paint it as a health concern, but it's so desperately short-sighted it falls out of the realm of anything rational.

And, being fixated so overtly on a personal crusade over one thing that a human can do to him/herself as being unhealthy when it (doing something "unhealthy") is an inevitable and inescapable part of life...I call that "stupid".

Indeed the example of smoking used by the op is totally silly in my opinion... an opinion i am entirely entitled to, like all of you are entitled to your opinions by the way.

To me the entire thing about positive reinforcement falls flat on its face if the thing the Dominant uses to do his positive reinforcement with is something that is actually bad for his sub
and yes some of the other things you mention that are bad for you would be just as stupid used as positive reinforcement, though i do not see how you can reward someone by letting them be a germophobe if they are good...

Now if you want to smoke, by all means do, rather not in my vicinity, but as long as i don't have to smell you i am fine with it, don't however turn it into some BDSM practise as a reward for good behaviour, because that is just so wrong

that is like having a junky for a partner and everytime they do a trick you like you reward them with another shot of heroin.... IT IS JUST NOT RIGHT

indeed another example of positive reinforcement would have been much preferable.

Now, this is indeed only my opinion, all you people who totally dig this train of thought of positive reinforcement by reward with cigs can obviously ignore me and chose to contribute to this thread with other examples of positive reinforcement which the op asked for and i actually provided aswell, instead of trying to tell me that i am stupid... because... well... that is just beyond stupid really.

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/18/2010 2:28:41 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: dove967

Thanks for all the support, ya'll. Geez, if I'd known the example I used was so offensive to ranja I would've chosen something else, like doorknobs or something! Of course those might be a challenge to smoke! lol But, seriously folks, there's always the possibility that he may have a rather moderate opinion on the whole issue and is just getting a little kick outta trying to stir people up. Either way, I don't really care. There's one in every family.

I am a woman... if you let the smoke clear so you can see your screen you can actually see that at the bottom of my box.

I think indeed the example you used for your positive reinforcement thread is totally wrong.
I have no problem with you smoking, but i do have a problem with your Dominant rewarding your good behaviour with cigs.

Smoking should not be encouraged at all.
If you are unlucky enough to be addicted to it, then you smoke, but to reward a person with cigs is just wrong...
Would you consider rewarding your child for his good behaviour with cigs?

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/18/2010 2:41:28 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ranja

I think indeed the example you used for your positive reinforcement thread is totally wrong.
I have no problem with you smoking, but i do have a problem with your Dominant rewarding your good behaviour with cigs.

Solipsistic projected aggressive morality isn't healthy either.

Please reread the OP to affirm that, much to your chagrin I'm sure, this thread was not about what you have a problem with.

We wouldn't want to positively reinforce illiteracy either.

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/18/2010 2:55:47 AM

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I am a woman... if you let the smoke clear so you can see your screen you can actually see that at the bottom of my box.

That is about enough insults, ranja. You can think whatever you want about smokers, but you have effectively hijacked this thread, and that is not something that the rules of this board 'entitle' you to do. If you want to bitch about smoking, please start your own thread and stop hijacking this one.

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/18/2010 3:04:33 AM

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I have reread the op and will post it here again so you can aswell:

"My Daddy is evil(and I love it!). Last week W/we had a discussion about discipline and the whole idea of consensual/non-consent. Now Daddy sees a distinct difference between discipline and punishment. Discipline is a tool to guide and teach. Punishment is a consequence of disobedience. I've never recieved a punishment and don't plan on earning one if I can help it. Daddy has always said not to make the mistake of confusing his compassion with weakness and it's always wise to take Him at His word. But, back to my point..a couple of days later, Daddy explained to me that He perfers to use positive reinforcement/reward as a form of discipline instead of using the fear of punishment to motivate obediance. Now, Daddy and I are both smokers and Daddy -the frugal Dom He is-always buys a particular brand of smokes that are less expensive for both of us. I perfer a pricier brand,but, as long as Daddy supplies the smokes, I try to be respectful and not waste our money by buying my own. So, one day Daddy comes home with 1 pkge of MY brand of smokes and one pkge of our regular less expensive brand. Then he informs me that as a reward for good behavior or a consistant attitude of obedience, He will grant me one of MY brand of smokes at his discretion. What a clever Daddy! Needless to say, I am working hard to be a very good girl! I would love to hear from Doms or subs about some other examples of creative control."

Half her post is about the smoking example and i think it is wrong

I have no problem with people smoking, many of my friends and family smoke.
My problem is with it being used as a means of positive reinforcement.
Which is by the way exactly what this thread is about!!!

Do you think it is good to reward people with something that is so bad and useless and addictive?

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/18/2010 3:07:39 AM

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And with that reminder from Wyld(at least someones read the TOS

) lets at least try and keep on the subject folks,even when we like to give our opinions on other peoples habits.

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/18/2010 3:16:29 AM

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quote:

Half her post is about the smoking example and i think it is wrong

I have no problem with people smoking, many of my friends and family smoke.
My problem is with it being used as a means of positive reinforcement.
Which is by the way exactly what this thread is about!!!

You apparently missed the point, ranja. They both smoke already. The positive part is that she gets to smoke her own brand instead of a generic. It's the difference between getting a Hershey's kiss or a Godiva chocolate. Nowhere in the OP will you find that getting to smoke is, in and of itself, a reward.

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Do you think it is good to reward people with something that is so bad and useless and addictive?

Again, you completely missed what the OP said.

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/18/2010 3:24:25 AM

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My bad, carry on

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/18/2010 5:10:15 AM

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If you let them smoke, you aren't being dominant.

I have heard some stupid things said on cm, but I think this might top the list. Who do you think you are to tell someone else what to do with their partner? If you are against smoking, then don't do it and don't hang around those who do. But to say that someone else isn't dominant because you don't like smoking is bullshit.

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/18/2010 5:13:21 AM

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i think positive reinforcement is a very good thing

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/18/2010 9:45:42 AM

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Thankyou, fadedshadow, valiant effort to return to the original theme of my post! lol Let's hope ranja responds positively to it!

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/18/2010 9:50:34 AM

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you're very welcome

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/18/2010 9:53:35 AM

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Solipsistic projected aggressive morality isn't healthy either.

Wow, and I thought I was liquistically endowed! I don't think I can even pronounce Solipsistic much less know what it means! Didn't even come across that word in college! Good show! lol

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/18/2010 11:06:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

You know what else isn't healthy? Drinking alcohol. Eating fast food. Not exercising. Getting into rebound relationships. Being a stuntman. Being in the military. Bladeplay. Most types of sex. Being a boxer. Being a U.S. football player. Chocolate. Enemas. Germophobia....

What about "chocolate-enemas"?!!

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/18/2010 8:04:16 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: dove967

quote:

Solipsistic projected aggressive morality isn't healthy either.

Wow, and I thought I was liquistically endowed! I don't think I can even pronounce Solipsistic much less know what it means! Didn't even come across that word in college! Good show! lol

Revolutionibus Nativitatum mundo appareret... btw earlier today learned I was not pronouncing "inundated" correctly. (Go figure) I was making the "u" sound more like a "i". All these years and I've still not fully mastered the English language. Guess I just lack the discipline to sit down and learn every word in the english dictionary properly. I plan on rewarding myself with a cigerettee and a cup of coffee after I make this post.

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/18/2010 8:45:06 PM

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/18/2010 10:10:31 PM

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I just bought a baseball for a girl I am training. My idea is to play "batting practice" Where basicly she pitches and I hit. If I knock one down the field she has to go get it. If I miss she has to go pick the ball up and possibly get scolded if her throw was off. Just a good way to put in 30 minutes or so of exercise and show whos boss at the same time.

Also got her a Frisbee. We really enjoy playing Frisbee so I got that for a reward.

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