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RE: Obama says 3,000% lower insurance payments are poss... - 3/18/2010 9:46:21 AM   
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I'm willing to give Obama a pass on saying 3,000% rather than $3,000 annually.

But I'm not willing to give Obama a pass on not saying anything about "Obamacare" including a Federal government takeover of the college student loan industry.

Yet even more proof that "Obamacare" is not about healthcare reform at all but, rather, it is all and only about more Federal government control over "We the people..."


As long as any federal approach is defined ipso facto as a takeover, any approach will be labeled a takeover.



So fine, let's take it over. Enough with the semantical silliness.

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RE: Obama says 3,000% lower insurance payments are poss... - 3/18/2010 9:47:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		i was sorta getting turned on by the thought of the insurance industry going bankrupt and imagining the reactions of the republican party!

~sighs

so much for my fantasy life

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RE: Obama says 3,000% lower insurance payments are poss... - 3/18/2010 9:47:36 AM   
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In other news, the health care bill is also going to help our 57th state (Hawaii) recover from its devastating earthquake, which was caused by global warming (obviously).

http://www.breitbart.tv/puzzling-statement-obama-says-louisiana-purchase-will-help-with-the-earthquake-in-hawaii/






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RE: Obama says 3,000% lower insurance payments are poss... - 3/18/2010 9:51:11 AM   
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RE: Obama says 3,000% lower insurance payments are poss... - 3/18/2010 9:52:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Gateway Pundit: What earthquake in Hawaii? In 1868 there was a major earthquake in Hawaii that killed 77 people. In 1975 an earthquake in Hawaii killed 2 people.

Fox News: OBAMA: I am certain that we've made sure, for example, that any burdens on states are alleviated, when it comes to what they're going to have to chip in to make sure that we're giving subsidies to small businesses, and subsidies to individuals, for example.

BAIER: So the Connecticut deal is still in?

OBAMA: So that's not — that's not going to be something that is going to be in this final package. I think the same is true on all of these provisions. I'll give you some exceptions though. Something that was called a special deal was for Louisiana. It was said that there were billions — millions of dollars going to Louisiana, this was a special deal. Well, in fact, that provision, which I think should remain in, said that if a state has been affected by a natural catastrophe, that has created a special health care emergency in that state, they should get help. Louisiana, obviously, went through Katrina, and they're still trying to deal with the enormous challenges that were faced because of that.

(CROSS TALK) OBAMA: That also — I'm giving you an example of one that I consider important. It also affects Hawaii, which went through an earthquake. So that's not just a Louisiana provision. That is a provision that affects every state that is going through a natural catastrophe. Now I have said that there are certain provisions, like this Nebraska one, that don't make sense. And they needed to be out. And we have removed those. So, at the end of the day, what people are going to be able to say is that this legislation is going to be providing help to small businesses and individuals, across the board, in an even handed way, and providing people relief from a status quo that's just not working.

BAIER: OK, the Florida deal, in or out?

OBAMA: The Florida deal —

BAIER: Paying for Medicare Advantage, exempting 800,000 Floridians from —

OBAMA: My understanding is that whatever is going to be done on Medicare is going to apply across the board to all states.


From your link.

Um, Hawaii did go through an earthquake... two in fact, according to your article. He mentioned it was an example. He did not mention it was a recent event.

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RE: Obama says 3,000% lower insurance payments are poss... - 3/18/2010 10:19:14 AM   
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You had really ought top cut back on the Obama Kool-Aide, taz.

The shit's really not good for you.


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RE: Obama says 3,000% lower insurance payments are poss... - 3/18/2010 10:19:53 AM   
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RE: Obama says 3,000% lower insurance payments are poss... - 3/18/2010 10:22:33 AM   
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So, you really believe that the "Louisiana Purchase" is going to help with Hawaiian earthquake relief? 

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It was your source.. lol.. not mine.


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RE: Obama says 3,000% lower insurance payments are poss... - 3/18/2010 11:14:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		The disaster of Katrina was due, in part to the Corps of Engineers, a federal agency. I expected the government to clean up their own mess. Nothing was going to stop those levies from failing. The Corp decided they didnt need to be worked on, they were obviously wrong.

You call it a purchase, i call it taking responsibility for the govenrmnets failure.

You keep harping on the Hawaiian earthquake relief. Obama's point was this one aspect needed to remain.

It was said that there were billions — millions of dollars going to Louisiana, this was a special deal. Well, in fact, that provision, which I think should remain in, said that if a state has been affected by a natural catastrophe, that has created a special health care emergency in that state, they should get help. Louisiana, obviously, went through Katrina, and they're still trying to deal with the enormous challenges that were faced because of that.

I do believe an earthquake may qualify, depending on the magnitude. Lousiana certainly qualified. Or all you calling all that disaster a hoax now.

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RE: Obama says 3,000% lower insurance payments are poss... - 3/18/2010 1:37:58 PM   
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Most states could make a case for getting three billion dollars out of the other states in exchange for a vote for Obamacare. Alaska has vast amounts of oil wealth locked up by the feds forever. California is suffering 20% unemployment in several counties, arguably due directly to Barney Frank and the Democrats' mishandling of the Fannie and Freddie disaster. Idaho and Nevada and Utah and Wyoming and several other states have mineral reserves locked up in federally mandated parks, monuments and wilderness areas - lands which were appropriated (cough stolen cough) specifically to eliminate any chance of economic development in those vast areas of the respective states.

Oregon has lost countless logging jobs and dollars because of the spotted owl hypocrisy. Texas and Florida and several other states have suffered from hurricanes and other natural disasters along with Louisiana...

The Louisiana purchase was a buy off, taxpayer dollars for a congressional vote. It was an unethical bribe, and nothing more.


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The disaster of Katrina was due, in part to the Corps of Engineers, a federal agency. I expected the government to clean up their own mess. Nothing was going to stop those levies from failing. The Corp decided they didnt need to be worked on, they were obviously wrong.

You call it a purchase, i call it taking responsibility for the govenrmnets failure.

You keep harping on the Hawaiian earthquake relief. Obama's point was this one aspect needed to remain.

It was said that there were billions — millions of dollars going to Louisiana, this was a special deal. Well, in fact, that provision, which I think should remain in, said that if a state has been affected by a natural catastrophe, that has created a special health care emergency in that state, they should get help. Louisiana, obviously, went through Katrina, and they're still trying to deal with the enormous challenges that were faced because of that.

I do believe an earthquake may qualify, depending on the magnitude. Lousiana certainly qualified. Or all you calling all that disaster a hoax now.











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RE: Obama says 3,000% lower insurance payments are poss... - 3/18/2010 6:22:44 PM   
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RE: Obama says 3,000% lower insurance payments are poss... - 3/19/2010 9:58:29 AM   
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Do you believe in magic??? Unicorns and fairies, oh my...


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Obama says 3,000% lower insurance payments are possible


Monday In Strongsville, Ohio, Obama said that if his health care bill passes, American employers could wind up paying 3,000% less for their health insurance plans. Well, even 300% would be impressive.

But let's do the math: 100% percent of anything is all of it. If you pay 100% less, you don't pay anything at all. Ever go to a 100%-off sale? Probably not.

The only explanation is that in order to achieve the negative number that would result from a 3,000% reduction, insurers would have to pay businesses and individuals to take their insurance policies. Or someone would have to pay that money.

Let's say you as an individual are paying $1 a month for health insurance (which if you are, congratulations). Reduce that by 100% and you get zero, that is, you subtract the entire amount, $1. To reduce your payment by 3,000%, which is 30 times as much. Subtract $1 thirty times and you should have a negative payment of $29, which means the insurer should be paying you that much.



http://www.examiner.com/x-16358-Cincinnati-Independent-Examiner~y2010m3d16-Obama-says-3000-lower-insurance-payments-are-possible



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Gee Sanity, I asked Jethro to cypher those figures down by the cee-ment pond and he says they make perfect sense!
I doubt that this thing is going to pass anyway with so many people against it.
If you want Bills to pass you have to have the support of the American people hehind them and this just doesn't have that, not even close.

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RE: Obama says 3,000% lower insurance payments are poss... - 3/19/2010 11:31:25 AM   
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The entire bill is thousands of pages of lawyerese, so of course I haven't read it, and I'm not so pretentious that I would try to pretend that I could understand it if I did read it. Thats why I read about what various legal and financial and medical experts have to say about it, and why I rely on them to break it down into plain English for me just like most normal people do


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Have you actually read that part of the bill?


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RE: Obama says 3,000% lower insurance payments are poss... - 3/19/2010 11:32:46 AM   
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Jethro and that tazzy girl gettin' it all figgered out are they...  

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Gee Sanity, I asked Jethro to cypher those figures down by the cee-ment pond and he says they make perfect sense!
I doubt that this thing is going to pass anyway with so many people against it.
If you want Bills to pass you have to have the support of the American people hehind them and this just doesn't have that, not even close.


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RE: Obama says 3,000% lower insurance payments are poss... - 3/19/2010 11:33:17 AM   
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The entire bill is thousands of pages of lawyerese, so of course I haven't read it, and I'm not so pretentious that I would try to pretend that I could understand it if I did read it. Thats why I read about what various legal and financial and medical experts have to say about it, and why I rely on them to break it down into plain English for me just like most normal people do


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Have you actually read that part of the bill?



Yes, it's always best to have other people do your thinking for you.

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RE: Obama says 3,000% lower insurance payments are poss... - 3/19/2010 11:35:48 AM   
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You never consult with experts? You know it all, do you?


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The entire bill is thousands of pages of lawyerese, so of course I haven't read it, and I'm not so pretentious that I would try to pretend that I could understand it if I did read it. Thats why I read about what various legal and financial and medical experts have to say about it, and why I rely on them to break it down into plain English for me just like most normal people do


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Have you actually read that part of the bill?



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RE: Obama says 3,000% lower insurance payments are poss... - 3/19/2010 11:40:23 AM   
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SEC. 2006. SPECIAL ADJUSTMENT TO FMAP DETERMINATION FOR CERTAIN STATES RECOVERING FROM A MAJOR DISASTER.

Section 1905 of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1396d), as amended by sections 2001(a)(3) and
2001(b)(2), is amended— (1) in subsection (b), in the first sentence, by striking ‘‘subsection (y)’’ and inserting ‘‘subsections (y) and (aa)’’; and (2) by adding at the end the following new subsection:

‘‘(aa)(1) Notwithstanding subsection (b), beginning January 1, 2011, the Federal medical assistance percentage for a fiscal year for a disaster-recovery FMAP adjustment State shall be equal to the following:‘(A) In the case of the first fiscal year (or part of a fiscal year) for which this subsection applies to the State, the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the fiscal year without regard to this subsection and subsection (y), increased by 50 percent of the number of percentage points by which the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the fiscal year without regard to this subsection and subsection (y), is less than the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the preceding fiscal year after the application of only subsection (a) of section 5001 of Public Law 111–5 (if applicable to the preceding fiscal year) and without regard to this subsection, subsection (y), and subsections (b) and (c) of section 5001 of Public Law 111–5.

‘‘(B) In the case of the second or any succeeding fiscal year for which this subsection applies to the State, the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the preceding fiscal year under this subsection for the State, increased by 25 percent of the number of percentage points by which the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the fiscal year without regard to this subsection and subsection (y), is less than the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the preceding fiscal year under this subsection.

‘‘(2) In this subsection, the term ‘disaster-recovery FMAP adjustment State’ means a State that is one of
the 50 States or the District of Columbia, for which, at any time during the preceding 7 fiscal years, the President has declared a major disaster under section 401 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act and determined as a result of such disaster that every county or parish in the State warrant individual and public assistance or public assistance from the Federal Government under such Act and for which— ‘‘(A) in the case of the first fiscal year (or part of a fiscal year) for which this subsection applies to the State, the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the fiscal year without regard to this subsection and subsection (y), is less than the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the preceding fiscal year after the application of only subsection (a) of section 5001 of Public Law 111–5 (if applicable to the preceding fiscal year) and without regard to this subsection, subsection (y), and subsections (b) and (c) of section 5001 of Public Law 111–5, by at least 3 percentage points; and ‘‘(B) in the case of the second or any succeeding fiscal year for which this subsection applies to the State, the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the fiscal year without regard to this subsection and subsection (y), is less than the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the preceding fiscal year under this subsection by at least 3 percentage points.

‘‘(3) The Federal medical assistance percentage determined for a disaster-recovery FMAP adjustment State under paragraph (1) shall apply for purposes of this title (other than with respect to disproportionate share hospital payments described in section 1923 and payments under this title that are based on the enhanced FMAP described in 2105(b)) and shall not apply with respect to payments under title IV (other than under part E of title IV) or payments under title XXI.’’.



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RE: Obama says 3,000% lower insurance payments are poss... - 3/19/2010 11:54:15 AM   
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You're a real life Dilbert character. One of the guests who shows up for about half a week...

Who wrote anything about seven years? I never did.


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RE: Obama says 3,000% lower insurance payments are poss... - 3/19/2010 11:57:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I so love it when you backpeddal. In order for this provision to be the Louisana Purchase, as you claim, it can only fit Louisiana. The comment has been made that it fits only that state because it only covers for 7 years, and no more. Obviously, that is wrong, and proven by the wording of the provision.



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RE: Obama says 3,000% lower insurance payments are poss... - 3/19/2010 12:09:01 PM   
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Again, I didn't post anything about seven years. Still though, the Louisiana Purchase provision doesn't apply to any other states. Perhaps  if another Katrina class hurricane hits somewhere else then it will, but there are few who will drink the Kool-Aide that you're drinking then proclaim that this wasn't a sleazy bribe.




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I so love it when you backpeddal. In order for this provision to be the Louisana Purchase, as you claim, it can only fit Louisiana. The comment has been made that it fits only that state because it only covers for 7 years, and no more. Obviously, that is wrong, and proven by the wording of the provision.




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