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Brain -> Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death (3/16/2010 10:06:49 PM)
Death is not natural if it's suicide. Since 1980, capitalism embarked on the road to self-immolation. Reagan started deregulating the rules that functioned as a check on the greed and avarice that capitalism breeds. And deregulation continued and culminated with Bush. Capitalists when allowed to act unchecked will always gravitate towards gluttony until all resources are gone and then they start to eat themselves. "I have opinions of my own - strong opinions - but I don't always agree with them" - George Bush Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death The curtain is going down on the lone-superpower world we know and it is now a most urgent question if and when and how forces for true democracy, human rights, peace and civilization can come out and dissipate the cloud that has spread over what was once an almost decent way of life. The long-time descent into totalitarian capitalism and neglect for anything but corporate profit has just about finished its course. The party is over. Bankruptcy is next. What we don't know yet is how far-reaching this economic freefall is going to be. http://www.opednews.com/articles/Capitalism-Is-Dying-a-Natu-by-Siv-O-Neall-100316-245.html

subfever -> RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death (3/16/2010 10:54:56 PM)
quote: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death Well then... what do you say about putting it out of its misery?

Smutmonger -> RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death (3/16/2010 11:04:41 PM)
Socialism won't do any better-that's why Russia collapsed. The only reason China is currently doing well with it is that they manipulated thier currency to have an unfair advantage in the world market-and allowed limited capitalism on a state controlled basis.

subfever -> RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death (3/16/2010 11:22:22 PM)
Let's replace our monetary-based "free enterprise capitalist system" with a resource-based economy... and forget about trying to repeat all of the past and failed social experiments.

Smutmonger -> RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death (3/16/2010 11:23:10 PM)
barter is too cumbersome in the modern age.

DarlingSavage -> RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death (3/16/2010 11:28:17 PM)
FR quote: Socialism won't do any better-that's why Russia collapsed. Russia did not have Socialism, Communism, or even Marxism. Russia had a tyrannical dictatorship that started with Stalin. quote: Let's replace our monetary-based "free enterprise capitalist system" with a resource-based economy... and forget about trying to repeat all of the past and failed social experiments. I just might be in love now! quote: barter is too cumbersome in the modern age. Nah!

subfever -> RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death (3/16/2010 11:28:33 PM)
No barter in a resource-based economy. See the Food For Thought thread, post #6. http://www.collarchat.com/m_3117569/tm.htm

DarlingSavage -> RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death (3/16/2010 11:29:56 PM)
And of course, you're in fucking Chicago!

subfever -> RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death (3/16/2010 11:32:42 PM)
quote: I just might be in love now! Hey... my first vote!!! Oops... I almost forgot... no politicians in a resource-based economy either... [:D]

subfever -> RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death (3/16/2010 11:34:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage And of course, you're in fucking Chicago! Chicago is a wonderful place... in the spring, summer, and fall... [;)]

karina18 -> RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death (3/16/2010 11:39:52 PM)
Funny thing, we haven't had a free market since 1929. We are defined as a "mixed market". Blame all you want on capitalism, just remember all levels of government consumes over 40% of GDP. Perhaps some of the economic problems stem from bad government?

subfever -> RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death (3/16/2010 11:44:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: karina18 Funny thing, we haven't had a free market since 1929. We are defined as a "mixed market". Blame all you want on capitalism, just remember all levels of government consumes over 40% of GDP. Perhaps some of the economic problems stem from bad government? Indeed, not only bad... but bloated too. Good news... government reduced to a fraction in a resource-based economy.

DarlingSavage -> RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death (3/17/2010 12:05:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subfever quote: ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage And of course, you're in fucking Chicago! Chicago is a wonderful place... in the spring, summer, and fall... [;)] I done been there in the winter and it was fucking COLD!!!! BRRRRRRR! I no likey! However, I likey utopianism, socialism, any type of government that promotes people loving and caring for each other. YAY! [sm=cute.gif][sm=cheering.gif][sm=cute.gif][sm=cheering.gif][sm=cute.gif][sm=cheering.gif][sm=cute.gif]

Fellow -> RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death (3/17/2010 12:16:01 AM)
Are we talking about a corporate vandalism or about the capitalism in general?

LadyEllen -> RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death (3/17/2010 3:56:21 AM)
I seem to recall reading somewhere that there was a difference between private free enterprise and capitalism, but I cant be entirely sure if there is what it was. The trick was to allow the former but prevent the latter as the former was good for everyone whilst the latter tended to get out of hand and be bad for most and excellent for only a very few who would inevitably over time come to destroy both the former and itself because its sole purpose was to increase itself. E

eyesopened -> RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death (3/17/2010 4:08:54 AM)
Outside of communes, I was trying to think of a time and place where there was "true democracy" peace and civilization. I do agree that without regulation of those industries which provide the most basic goods and services (food, medicine, energy, communication, and housing) greedy people will find a way to feed their greed at the expense of the poor. But other industries, capitalism works just fine. You can still buy toilet paper quite inexpensivly or pay twice as much for a more luxurious product, If so few people could afford toilet paper, they could still wipe with the daily newspapers and the toilet paper manufacturers would lower prices. As nasty as it sounds, people do not need toilet paper. Human beings are NOT created equal (sorry... *evolved* equally). Equal in value as a human being, yes, but not equal in talent, intelligence or ambition. The tone of many of the OP's posts sounds like he would want a world where no one had more money than anyone else. I cannot imagine a sadder world to live in where no matter how inventive, how innovative, how smart or how hard one worked, a person could have no more than anyone else. We need to help those who cannot help themselves. But we human beings need incentive. We need to know that there is reward for our efforts. That is not greed. Captialism doesn't create greed any more than food creates gluttony. There is not one single thing under the sun that cannot be abused and/or exploited.

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death (3/17/2010 6:16:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Smutmonger Socialism won't do any better-that's why Russia collapsed. The only reason China is currently doing well with it is that they manipulated thier currency to have an unfair advantage in the world market-and allowed limited capitalism on a state controlled basis. To call China a socialist state is quite funny, they are a quasi mix of capitalism and communist (the worst of both worlds). Their success also has nothing to do with them manipulating their markets, instead it's the natural consequence of putting national profit ahead of human rights. The west wants something for nothing and China provides, blame western consumerism because it's a symbiotic relationship.

subfever -> RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death (3/17/2010 1:38:27 PM)
quote: I done been there in the winter and it was fucking COLD!!!! BRRRRRRR! I no likey! Colder than a witch's tit, I'm afraid... so don't burn all your bridges in Texas! We'll need a winter hang-out... [;)] quote: However, I likey utopianism, socialism, any type of government that promotes people loving and caring for each other. YAY! Come on over and join us on the Food For Thought thread, and let's share the love... [sm=hearts.gif]

servantforuse -> RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death (3/17/2010 2:03:04 PM)
If you think it is better in other countries, why don't you just move there ? Cuba might suit you just fine.

NorthernGent -> RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death (3/17/2010 2:18:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage FR quote: Socialism won't do any better-that's why Russia collapsed. Russia did not have Socialism, Communism, or even Marxism. Russia had a tyrannical dictatorship that started with Stalin. Lenin was a self-proclaimed Marxist who dealt with dissenters in a fairly brutal manner (1919-1921). And he was convinced that a revolution was the preserve of a small group of committed people - not the masses. You take power through coercion; you have to maintain power through coercion.

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