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VideoAdminAlpha -> If there is a member out there that can help me, I would be so grateful (3/16/2010 10:15:50 PM)

I am posting this with the permission of the owners, even though this is a personal request and in all actuality does not fit in a lot of categories.

I am a cat lover, as are quite a few of the members on here. I will not say how many I have, because that would probably tie me to a post made at some point under my regular nick. They are all rescues , shelters and strays, and all are as much a part of my family as the peeps are, sometimes even more than some of the humans. One of them, George, is 19 years old and appears to be starting chronic renal failure. My request is this; if there is a member that is possibly a veterinarian located in the South near or in Alabama, that might be willing to help supervise and/or help get him on fluids treatment. I am not having a lot of luck here with the local veterinarians being willing to help monitor his health and reactions to any treatment when started. If you feel you can help in any kind of way, to any user, that I may have not inadvertently thought of (vet assistants etc) PLEASE cmail me privately. I am beside myself; I have information from someone that I trust implictly that their "boy" is not quite the advanced age of mine, but they say administeriung fluids to him has GREATLY improved the quality of life he has left. Please help if you can. Again, I would be eternally grateful.

Here is a picture of him last May before he started getting bad(He is the white one, smiles)


Edited by request of VideoAdminAlpha... please scroll down for the kitty picture.




Domin8tingUrDrmz -> RE: If there is a member out there that can help me, I would be so grateful (3/16/2010 10:19:38 PM)

Aww, he's a pretty kitty. I wish I could help you, but I don't have the knowledge, nor the locality. I sure hope someone is able to assist you and that lovely critter.

My thoughts are with you.




ModTwentyOne -> RE: If there is a member out there that can help me, I would be so grateful (3/16/2010 10:23:30 PM)

Just helping Alpha with file size...



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DarlingSavage -> RE: If there is a member out there that can help me, I would be so grateful (3/16/2010 10:38:35 PM)

Aw, honey, I hope you find what you need. I wish I could help you. Sounds like you really love this guy. I hope both you AND he get the help and relief you need. I really wish I could help. Yes, I ditto Domin8tingUrDrmz's request!




ModTwentyOne -> RE: If there is a member out there that can help me, I would be so grateful (3/16/2010 10:39:33 PM)

... and a pic of kitty sitting up...



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GreedyTop -> RE: If there is a member out there that can help me, I would be so grateful (3/16/2010 10:43:17 PM)

I wish I could help.. *hugs and scritches as appropriate*




winterlight -> RE: If there is a member out there that can help me, I would be so grateful (3/16/2010 10:48:29 PM)

Would the humane society know of anybody? Cat rescue?




Lockit -> RE: If there is a member out there that can help me, I would be so grateful (3/16/2010 11:04:27 PM)

How heartbreaking! I'm soooo sorry! I hope you find someone who can help!

What about a veterinary hospital? Here is one link I found. This is a teaching hospital so they may have programs to help.

http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/critical-care




Kirata -> RE: If there is a member out there that can help me, I would be so grateful (3/16/2010 11:06:40 PM)

I would just like to say that you have my deepest sympathy. I've been through this. It is no fun. I finally kissed my pal goodbye and allowed his misery to be ended. That was thirty years ago. But tears still come to my eyes when I think of it. We get so attached....

I will keep you and George in my prayers.

Kirata




LadyEllen -> RE: If there is a member out there that can help me, I would be so grateful (3/17/2010 3:25:05 AM)

Wish I could help Alpha, but lack the proximity as well as the expertise. Hope you find someone soon. He looks just like my Charlie, who's a year old in July. Mind you the bed picture could have been my room from the cats to be seen (I have four the same as in the pic, plus some more), though not from the tidiness and high standard of decor!

All the best in your search

E







Aylee -> RE: If there is a member out there that can help me, I would be so grateful (3/17/2010 7:16:45 AM)

Sorry to hear this Alpha, and I sent you a private cmail with my two cents. 




sirsholly -> RE: If there is a member out there that can help me, I would be so grateful (3/17/2010 7:19:34 AM)

the only thing i can do is send you a hug and a prayer...




lusciouslips19 -> RE: If there is a member out there that can help me, I would be so grateful (3/17/2010 7:23:21 AM)

I can tell you when my sisters dog went into renal failure she learned to administer the fluids herself. So find someone willing to train you. Its the only way.




maybemaybenot -> RE: If there is a member out there that can help me, I would be so grateful (3/17/2010 8:18:12 AM)

Alpha:

Has the Vet diagnosed him with chronic renal failure ? If so, it would be helpful to know how far advanced the CRF is. Has the kitty had a urine test for urinary tract infection ?  Kidney functions values are elevated when a kitty has a UTI. and show advancedment of the renal failure, but will come down with antibiotics.  So let's say kitty has CRF and his renal functions tests are XX, if he has a UTI it will elevate to XXX+ and probably return to XX with treatment. Recurrent UTI's or prolonged UTI's without treatment will speed up the CRF.

IV fluids are not indicated in a cat with advanced renal failure for prolonged periods. It is usually used adjunctively, short term, or for a jump start when kitty is sick and not taking adequate fluids on his own. Administering fluids to a kitty is very easy and a Vet can teach you to do it in one session, maybe two.

I am NOT a Vet, but I do have an older kitty < 18 > with moderate CRF and I have worked with shelters and rescue groups in conjunction with Vets, so have a miniscule amount of experience.

Is your kitty taking fluids on his own ? If not, have you tried the tuna or chicken flavored water. Often times kitties will drink better from a pet fountain, they are not expensive. If kitty is taking adequate fluids on his own, there is no need for extra fluids. IV fluids in a well hydrated kitty can lead to volume overload and cardiac/pulmonary problems and tax the kidneys further. Altho it's not optimal, often times kitty will drink half water/half milk. That's a double edged sword. Milk is not great for kitties, but my own opinion is: if that's all kitty will drink, better than the alternative. < dehydration and death > That's something you will have to weigh on your own.

What kind of food are you feeding kitty ? Wet food is the preferred food for a kitty with CRF. Canned food has a bit of water content so it helps with hydration. There is an arguement to be made for the low protien cat foods on the market. Again, double edged sword. Low protien is better for kitties with CRF, however most kitties don't like them and eat less, leading to weight loss, which compunds the kidney issues. Again, IMO only, better to eat the regular foods than to compund the kitties health issues. My cat quite likes the Friskies wet food  for urinary health, but I also give her her favorites. < Fancy Feast >
Lower phosphate foods are better also, as phosphate plays a role in kidney function.

Nasuea and vomiting are signs of advanced renal disease, nearing or in the last stages. There are drugs that can be given to stop the symptom, but not the disease. These of course are obtained from a Vet.

I can tell you that my kitty was diagnosed with moderate renal failure last year. She had a UTI and the labwork showed CRF as well, she is about 18 years old. After the antibiotics were completed we did another panel of renal functions and while the numbers dropped a little she still has CRF. She eats and drinks well and behaves normally, so I only take her to the vets every six months to have her lab values tested. My vet told me the signs and symptoms of advancement for CRF and I am to monitor that and take her back if they develope.

I did IV fluids at home for one kitty with CRF and will not do it again. Please keep in mind this is just my story and philosophy and you need to do what you will feel most comfortable with. That kitty had advanced CRF, he was 20 years old and was vomiting. After two days of IV fluids, he wasn't puking, but he was still sick and not the kitty I knew. I couldn't bear seeing him dispondent and unhappy, so I had to make the decision that breaks our hearts.

All in all if your kitty has mild to moderate CRF, there really isn't alot needs to be done, medically, if he is eating and drinking normally.

Auburn University and Tuskegee University have Vetertanary Schools and usually they have satallite campuses with clinics. If possible I would start there. Get a real work up for your kitty and speak to a Vet with all the lastest info on management of CRF. If those two scools are too far away, make a phone call to the Veteranary school, explain your situation and ask for a referral to a vet nearer you. I'm in Massachusetts and Tufts University Vet School has been wonderful in recommending specialists and regular Vets in my area.

Just a clarification note: When I say IV fluids, I really mean subcutaneous fluids. You can hyrate cats and dogs by admistering fluids under the skin, usually in the extra skin of the neck.

I wish you and kitty all the best.

                          mbmbn




popeye1250 -> RE: If there is a member out there that can help me, I would be so grateful (3/17/2010 1:00:18 PM)

Vid, sorry to hear this, we really do get attached to our pets! And George is a handsome cat!
I wish there was something I could do to help you but I can't think of anything.




kallisto -> RE: If there is a member out there that can help me, I would be so grateful (3/17/2010 3:31:44 PM)

Sent you a message ... hope it helps.




VideoAdminAlpha -> RE: If there is a member out there that can help me, I would be so grateful (3/17/2010 5:00:02 PM)

FAST REPLY:

Well, as I sit here crying because of the kind words involving this situation(yeah, I know, TMI, I have a heart....who knew?) I truly want to thank everyone for their kind words and thoughts, and ideas. I have gotten a few cmails,(last checked this morning in case I havent given an answer to someone that mailed as of yet...I am planning on performing the treatments to him myself, and I just got off the phone with the vets assistant from the vet that, thankfully, I have not had to use very much(considering number of my furry children and how long I have had some of them) and it seems they are are going to try to help me, depending on, of course and unfortunately how much coinage it will come to be. I will say there is an awesome benefactor that has offered to take on the costs for treatment(yanno since I am kinda commission with my "real" job,and this one pays so well, even if it is the one I love most)....so now I just got to find out how much the blood work etc is for the initial and the vets office said they would teach me how to do(and to think needle play is almost a hard limit with me, lol). Please though, since I have no idea how much initially this will be with the folks here in town, please still feel free to cmail me about any ideas you have, because anything, ANYTHING I can do to make him more comfortable Im all for it.

Again, I cant tell yall how much your thoughts and well wishes have brightened my day.




BoiJen -> RE: If there is a member out there that can help me, I would be so grateful (3/17/2010 5:01:50 PM)

The thing with CRF in older cats is that it's not often caught until there's about 10% kidney function left because they're old and they hold out on telling us when they're sick. Most animals can function well even with only one kidney, which another reason it's hard to catch this disease.

Of 14 cases, in my entire lifetime, of seeing cats (mine and friends) with CRF, if it is not caught early and they are not young, you're going to have one heartbreaking story by the end of it.

The thing to keep in mind through all of this is his comfort and quality of life. Remember you love him above all else and then think about who you're doing what for.

boi




DarkSteven -> RE: If there is a member out there that can help me, I would be so grateful (3/17/2010 5:23:19 PM)

Crap.  My sympathies.




lovingpet -> RE: If there is a member out there that can help me, I would be so grateful (3/17/2010 6:24:39 PM)

*hugs for Alpha*

I wish there was more I could offer, but my kitty knowledge ends long before administering needles of anything.  I will echo what BoiJen said though that, as hard as it is, I hope you can keep in mind what is best for George in all this.  I had to put an animal down last winter and I know it was the hardest decision I never want to have to make again.  I wanted there to be hope so bad and all I was doing was prolonging his excruciating suffering.  I can't say I'm okay with letting him go, but I know my motives were selfish in keeping him here.  I hope your boy isn't to that point yet, but I will pray for you the wisdom to know when it is time to let go.  My best wishes in your search and learning and also my deepest sympathies.  I know it isn't easy.

lovingpet




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