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RE: (rant) If you support this healthcare bill, fuck yo... - 3/18/2010 3:44:40 PM   
servantforuse


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Status: offline 		Free food, free health care, free housing ? Can anyone explain how this can all be FREE. Does it drop from the sky ? You people have to get real. Everything has to be payed for by someone.

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RE: (rant) If you support this healthcare bill, fuck yo... - 3/18/2010 3:56:43 PM   
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RE: (rant) If you support this healthcare bill, fuck yo... - 3/18/2010 4:27:50 PM   
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RE: (rant) If you support this healthcare bill, fuck yo... - 3/18/2010 4:30:04 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		OK, let's get to the real heart of the matter.

People are getting sick and getting injured, and that's costly.

Just stop illness and injury, and problem solved!

Easy! I think tax cuts would do it...

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RE: (rant) If you support this healthcare bill, fuck yo... - 3/18/2010 4:33:31 PM   
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OK, let's get to the real heart of the matter.

People are getting sick and getting injured, and that's costly.

Just stop illness and injury, and problem solved!

Easy! I think tax cuts would do it...



Music, I'll go you one better, just give us all the same healthcare program that the congress has! Why shouldn't any citizen be able to get treatment at Walter Reed?

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RE: (rant) If you support this healthcare bill, fuck yo... - 3/18/2010 4:50:23 PM   
Musicmystery


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....just that people can't agree on what it is!

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RE: (rant) If you support this healthcare bill, fuck yo... - 3/18/2010 4:54:08 PM   
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Subfever supports free food and free health care for all. I guess that farmers, grocers, doctors and hospital employees will not be getting paid ever again. I wonder how long they will stay working ?


I also support a world without politicians, and a government only a tiny fraction of what we have now. So add them to your unemployment rolls too.

Good grief... this would mean no Republicans for you to idolize. What would you do??? ...

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RE: (rant) If you support this healthcare bill, fuck yo... - 3/18/2010 4:57:20 PM   
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Free food, free health care, free housing ? Can anyone explain how this can all be FREE. Does it drop from the sky ? You people have to get real. Everything has to be payed for by someone.



Yes, everything has to be paid for under the current system.

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RE: (rant) If you support this healthcare bill, fuck yo... - 3/18/2010 5:26:22 PM   
servantforuse


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RE: (rant) If you support this healthcare bill, fuck yo... - 3/18/2010 5:26:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm gonna sound repetitive here, but no one's mentioning the 800-lb gorilla in the living room.  We're the only first world country that funds health care via employment (unless you're piss poor, and might qualify for Medicaid).

In times of large unemployment, it's a fucking disaster.  It was always a problem if you worked for some place with shit insurance, or had a gap in employment that screwed you for pre-existing conditions.  Emergency departments paid through the nose for people that came in sicker than snot due to no insurance. 

Instead of deriving a plan to deal with the fundamental issue, we get in pissing contests about someone paying for someone else's health problems, or how someone's going to "get over" on someone else. 

* gets off ma soapbox fer now! *

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RE: (rant) If you support this healthcare bill, fuck yo... - 3/18/2010 5:34:19 PM   
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Free food, free health care, free housing ? Can anyone explain how this can all be FREE. Does it drop from the sky ? You people have to get real. Everything has to be payed for by someone.


It drops from your paycheck.

Myself, I would rather have what I pay go to benefiting those who need the help in this country rather than "spreading democracy".

But the same people that wail about the cost of social benefits are those who support our military misadventures.





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RE: (rant) If you support this healthcare bill, fuck yo... - 3/18/2010 6:03:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		So I guess it really isn't free afterall. The big problem happens when more people are getting the free stuff and fewer people are left to pay for it all.

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RE: (rant) If you support this healthcare bill, fuck yo... - 3/18/2010 6:14:22 PM   
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So I guess it really isn't free afterall. The big problem happens when more people are getting the free stuff and fewer people are left to pay for it all.


No, the problem is the priorities of what we want to spend our money on.

And it is our money.

I am completely sick of hearing about "entitlements" as if it is a dirty word. 

We pay for our government, we aren't receiving anything free. 

So yes, we damn sure are entitled to the benefits of what we paid our taxes for.








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RE: (rant) If you support this healthcare bill, fuck yo... - 3/18/2010 8:02:15 PM   
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Glad you got that out of your system...now can we talk about your issues granting male slave types equal respect in "politics and religion" as male dom types?


You joke about that, but it comes up again and again in the threads.
Yes I have noticed that....and every time I notice it...it is you putting this bullshit out there...so while I have you here I will ask once again(perhaps you will answer this time)...why would anyone apportion respect based in any part on a nick or which side of the kneel someone is on...when you have their very words to go by?


Literally yesterday some sub guy was complaining about this.

Why do you assume people are completely ethical, thoughtful, logical, etc., in their interactions with other people?

Generally, submission is associated with weakness, so that sub guys are easier targets.

It's just basic psychology.

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RE: (rant) If you support this healthcare bill, fuck yo... - 3/18/2010 8:04:28 PM   
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Free food, free health care, free housing ? Can anyone explain how this can all be FREE. Does it drop from the sky ? You people have to get real. Everything has to be payed for by someone.


We plan on taxing everybody on CM whose screenname is related to 'cuckolding'.

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RE: (rant) If you support this healthcare bill, fuck yo... - 3/18/2010 8:07:53 PM   
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Free food, free health care, free housing ? Can anyone explain how this can all be FREE. Does it drop from the sky ? You people have to get real. Everything has to be payed for by someone.


Remember this next time tax cuts are proposed.

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RE: (rant) If you support this healthcare bill, fuck yo... - 3/18/2010 8:21:50 PM   
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I have been reading this thread with interest. Everyone seems to come back to the same question.. money.

From a nursing perspective, i can honestly say that covering that many people will save money.

Lets take someone with high blood pressure. If this person has no insurance, it can lead to stroke, renal failure, heart and lung issues, as well as visual problems. I dont need to site a source, this is pretty common knowledge.

Without insurance, this person becomes ill and ends up in the ER. Costs in the ER are astronomical compared to a Dr's office and a few blood tests. The illness, lets say renal failure, requires stent placement (surgical) and dialysis (typically three times a week at an outpatient center). Now they are unable to work, and go on disability.

Take the same person with insurance, seeing a Dr for preventative care, and the bp issue is found, medication started, and the patient will hopefully follow the therapy and can continue to work.

Am i the only one who sees the potential cost saving measure here? Not to mention all the time saved in labor costs in the ER? Freeing up valuable bed space and health care on the hospitals end even in admissions and discharges?

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RE: (rant) If you support this healthcare bill, fuck yo... - 3/18/2010 8:28:21 PM   
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I have been reading this thread with interest. Everyone seems to come back to the same question.. money.

From a nursing perspective, i can honestly say that covering that many people will save money.

Lets take someone with high blood pressure. If this person has no insurance, it can lead to stroke, renal failure, heart and lung issues, as well as visual problems. I dont need to site a source, this is pretty common knowledge.

Without insurance, this person becomes ill and ends up in the ER. Costs in the ER are astronomical compared to a Dr's office and a few blood tests. The illness, lets say renal failure, requires stent placement (surgical) and dialysis (typically three times a week at an outpatient center). Now they are unable to work, and go on disability.

Take the same person with insurance, seeing a Dr for preventative care, and the bp issue is found, medication started, and the patient will hopefully follow the therapy and can continue to work.

Am i the only one who sees the potential cost saving measure here? Not to mention all the time saved in labor costs in the ER? Freeing up valuable bed space and health care on the hospitals end even in admissions and discharges?


This makes a lot of sense.

At the very, very least, there absolutely positively should be universal healthcare for children (especially babies), before small problems become big and expensive. (There isn't, right? Man, you really think there would be, right?)

Thanks for reading.

Kucinich's caving spurred this rant...

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RE: (rant) If you support this healthcare bill, fuck yo... - 3/18/2010 8:28:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Silence8


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ORIGINAL: Silence8


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Glad you got that out of your system...now can we talk about your issues granting male slave types equal respect in "politics and religion" as male dom types?


You joke about that, but it comes up again and again in the threads.
Yes I have noticed that....and every time I notice it...it is you putting this bullshit out there...so while I have you here I will ask once again(perhaps you will answer this time)...why would anyone apportion respect based in any part on a nick or which side of the kneel someone is on...when you have their very words to go by?


Literally yesterday some sub guy was complaining about this.

Why do you assume people are completely ethical, thoughtful, logical, etc., in their interactions with other people?

Generally, submission is associated with weakness, so that sub guys are easier targets.

It's just basic psychology.
Well I'm going to call bullshit on that....and this weak assed sub is going to come right out and tell you that he thinks this is your issue and your hangup.....and I will repeat what I said on the other thread...anyone who would decide whether or not he respects someone based on their nickname or the alt lifestyle role he chooses......rather than the opinions he offers here freely for your consideration is a fucking asshole.
Now I ask you,does that shoe fit or what!
p.s. Tazzy you have mail..by the way so do you RML.

< Message edited by slvemike4u -- 3/18/2010 8:30:06 PM >

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RE: (rant) If you support this healthcare bill, fuck yo... - 3/18/2010 8:37:40 PM   
Silence8


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Status: offline 		Errr... quit derailing my rant!

And, again, the point is that people don't always know what they're doing. It's the 'unknown known' -- things we don't know we know -- the subconscious, the true content of our fantasies, and so forth...

Don't make me start another thread! I'll rain like Brain!

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