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Jury nullification-what the courts don't want you to know. - 3/19/2010 8:10:03 AM   
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RE: Jury nullification-what the courts don't want you t... - 3/19/2010 8:12:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		A jury could try that.

And the judge could set the verdict aside.

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RE: Jury nullification-what the courts don't want you t... - 3/19/2010 8:16:02 AM   
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http://www.greenmac.com/eagle/ISSUES/ISSUE23-9/07JuryNullification.html



the fact is that once you get a jury the judge has no authority to judge (dependent on the specific tribunal), and the jury becomes the court.

in fact the judges in this country are purely administrative and they do not have any authority to even hear a case but from intergovernment business.





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RE: Jury nullification-what the courts don't want you t... - 3/19/2010 8:17:14 AM   
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And encourage our legislatures NOT to pass more.

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A jury could try that.

And the judge could set the verdict aside.


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RE: Jury nullification-what the courts don't want you t... - 3/19/2010 8:17:45 AM   
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RE: Jury nullification-what the courts don't want you t... - 3/19/2010 8:19:40 AM   
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RE: Jury nullification-what the courts don't want you t... - 3/19/2010 8:25:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Smutmonger

I've never seen this topic posted here-you have anything to actually SAY about it?




Take Back America w/ Grand Juries



All these people who push "vote the bums out" is nothing more than a distraction to the real solution.

All they do is vote the same shit right back in and are to stooooopid to see it.


The solution lies in the grand juries!





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RE: Jury nullification-what the courts don't want you t... - 3/19/2010 8:28:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		SM, um, no that is no secret hidden fact, but just as often, MMs statement will be the outcome.



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RE: Jury nullification-what the courts don't want you t... - 3/19/2010 8:28:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		I apologize. I forgot that this board is apparently the sole source of knowledge for so many, and if they go beyond that they still have never read a newspaper or a book.

Theres nothing to say about it. Its a legal defense that every lawyer has in his arsenal, especially if he thinks he can get someone guilty off by playing on jury sympathies. [/thread]


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RE: Jury nullification-what the courts don't want you t... - 3/19/2010 8:33:48 AM   
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SM, um, no that is no secret hidden fact, but just as often, MMs statement will be the outcome.




thats because they are operating as an advisory panel not a fully empowered  jury and they do not know the difference.

right out of minnysotahahahaha

Take Back America w/ Grand Juries

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RE: Jury nullification-what the courts don't want you t... - 3/19/2010 9:02:00 AM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		not at all, the jury nullification dealio is not at all a graven constitutional right, and nowhere is is actually encoded in law, it is custom.

Sorta like the tender years doctrine....

Funny how you can make an imbicilic arguement that no piece of paper exists that Mad King George ceded america to america, so we are british subjects, while at the same time, saying that something that does not actually appear in current explicit statute is proof of the opposite truth.

that sort of makes you a basement shithouse lawyer, don't it? c'mon upstairs where you dont have to be quite so full of shit.



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RE: Jury nullification-what the courts don't want you t... - 3/19/2010 9:26:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I saw a program about this years ago and they said that yes, a jury can "interpret" the law but that the judge couldn't tell them that or something to that affect.
I would think that when one is on a sworn jury you can rule any way you want.

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RE: Jury nullification-what the courts don't want you t... - 3/19/2010 9:40:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		In English law, the judge rules on matters of law, the jury rules as to matters of fact.

Although its not unknown for judges to direct a finding in a case.

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RE: Jury nullification-what the courts don't want you t... - 3/19/2010 9:19:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

not at all, the jury nullification dealio is not at all a graven constitutional right, and nowhere is is actually encoded in law, it is custom.

Sorta like the tender years doctrine....

Funny how you can make an imbicilic arguement that no piece of paper exists that Mad King George ceded america to america, so we are british subjects, while at the same time, saying that something that does not actually appear in current explicit statute is proof of the opposite truth.

that sort of makes you a basement shithouse lawyer, don't it? c'mon upstairs where you dont have to be quite so full of shit.



Ron, once again you exceeded your jurisdiction.  Why you insist on pretending that I reside on your level of understanding of law beats the shit out of me.

Ok here is a hint: see:  HINT

the constitution limits the authority of government.

that said what does that mean in terms of the rights of the people?

take your time now I realize after all that you are far to smart to go to listen to any people who actually studied it.  So take your time and see if you can even answer that in the same universe as the founders intended.

seriously take your time.

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tock


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RE: Jury nullification-what the courts don't want you t... - 3/19/2010 9:27:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

In English law, the judge rules on matters of law, the jury rules as to matters of fact.

Although its not unknown for judges to direct a finding in a case.

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Thats the way its done over here too in the admiralty and administrative courts, not in common law tribunals or even under original jurisdiction.

remember you are a constitutional monarchy we are a constitutional republic.

Now that may shift the scales a bit over there because we have the politcal status of a king/queen in court whereas I know of nothing that has ever released you from being the "crowns" (the royal families trust), chattel property.

In america and in international terms in the common law the tribunal is independent of the magistrate.




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RE: Jury nullification-what the courts don't want you t... - 3/20/2010 5:21:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Quite why you think British people are chattels of the Crown I dont know, and again I refer you to the period of the English Civil War through to the Enlightenment as before, and what flowed from that up to the mid 1970s when EU law became supreme in the English jurisdiction, with all prior law being interpreted accordingly and all new law accomodating that principle, such that even if the Crown owned us previously, it didnt any longer, especially since the enactment of EU human rights legislation.

Where you may be confused I suspect is in the notions achieved that the monarch is subject to the law and that only Parliament may make law. This makes the monarch the subject of the Parliament, which in turn is the subject of the people, in an utter revision to the prior state where the people were subject to their lords (and thence Parliament, comprising the aristocracy, nobility and landed gentry) who in turn were subject to the monarch. Since we dont have a written constitution that makes the whole thing clear, but rather an evolving constitutional arrangement since the 17th century, its apparent that things may be misconstrued or misunderstood by anyone (including Brits) on a passing acquaintance with the subject.

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RE: Jury nullification-what the courts don't want you t... - 3/20/2010 7:43:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Smutmonger

http://www.greenmac.com/eagle/ISSUES/ISSUE23-9/07JuryNullification.html



What this suggests is that the law can be ignored in favor of a juror's "feelings".

Why do you think so much of the trial process is devoted to interviewing prospective jurors to determine their impartiality?





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RE: Jury nullification-what the courts don't want you t... - 3/20/2010 8:06:35 AM   
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the fact is that once you get a jury the judge has no authority to judge (dependent on the specific tribunal), and the jury becomes the court.

in fact the judges in this country are purely administrative and they do not have any authority to even hear a case but from intergovernment business.



Here is the most recent example of how false that statement is:


Judge orders renegotiation of 9/11 settlement


Here are some others:


Judge Overturns Record $1.5 Billion Patent Verdict

JUDGE OVERTURNS VERDICT EXONERATING POLICE

State: Judge overturns verdict against gun distributor


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