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RE: no bra, no panties ! - 3/24/2010 8:20:54 AM   
osf


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Status: offline 		I have a question, if we're supposed to be perverts we're being awfully squeamish about it.

Within reason, taking reasonable precautions, what is the big deal with taking a test drive on the first meet, seems to me it could save a lot of potentially wasted time.

I just don't see bdsm and sex as any more sacred than shaking hands, just with shaking hands you don't always have to wear rubber gloves.



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RE: no bra, no panties ! - 3/24/2010 9:52:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		As for myself, I would never command a sub to not wear a bra or panties for the first meeting. I require a dress or a skirt, 3 inch classic black pumps and stockings(no pantyhose).  

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RE: no bra, no panties ! - 3/24/2010 9:53:46 AM   
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I have a question, if we're supposed to be perverts we're being awfully squeamish about it.

Within reason, taking reasonable precautions, what is the big deal with taking a test drive on the first meet, seems to me it could save a lot of potentially wasted time.

I just don't see bdsm and sex as any more sacred than shaking hands, just with shaking hands you don't always have to wear rubber gloves.

Agreed.

This thread really shows how individualized "what's attractive" is. Some subs call it all off if the guy says "no underwear," while others of us might move that guy up to the top of our list (proving once again that you can't really generalize about "what subs like" or "what subs do").

For the record, I did wear panties on my first date with my Owner (at his request), but they only stayed on for about 10 minutes.

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RE: no bra, no panties ! - 3/24/2010 9:58:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I meet slaves, not subs, and meetings can take a variety of forms, not uncommonly with the girl arriving only in short dress and shoes, knowing she'll be stripped, examined, disciplined and used for pleasure.

But it's also not the first thing that happens. I choose girls carefully, and by this time, several emails and phone calls have transpired, with the girl wet and ready to be taken.

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RE: no bra, no panties ! - 3/24/2010 10:17:42 AM   
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Well, I meet slaves, not subs, and meetings can take a variety of forms, not uncommonly with the girl arriving only in short dress and shoes, knowing she'll be stripped, examined, disciplined and used for pleasure.



Well now you're just telling secrets, hee hee!

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RE: no bra, no panties ! - 3/24/2010 10:38:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		First meeting...for Me..is having her dress in a shorter skirt..wearing both bra and panty..sensible heels..thigh highs(no pantyhose ever).

I just dont think I am in a position at a 1st meeting to demand her to come semi nude..as it were. There ARE safety issues concerning how others may see her and assume she is available.

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RE: no bra, no panties ! - 3/24/2010 10:50:29 AM   
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As for myself, I would never command a sub to not wear a bra or panties for the first meeting. I require a dress or a skirt, 3 inch classic black pumps and stockings(no pantyhose).  


I consider that just stupid.  Most women do not own 3 inch pumps or stockings.  Most women do not know how to walk or drive in 3 inch pumps as well.  Have you really thought that through, or does it just sound like a nice fantasy to you? 

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RE: no bra, no panties ! - 3/24/2010 10:53:13 AM   
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First meeting...for Me..is having her dress in a shorter skirt..wearing both bra and panty..sensible heels..thigh highs(no pantyhose ever).



Do none of these first meets ever take place in the winter?  I wonder sometimes.  Furthermore, health-wise, pantyhose are better for your legs than thigh highs especially if you are wearing heels. 

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RE: no bra, no panties ! - 3/24/2010 10:54:00 AM   
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As for myself, I would never command a sub to not wear a bra or panties for the first meeting. I require a dress or a skirt, 3 inch classic black pumps and stockings(no pantyhose).  

I consider that just stupid.  Most women do not own 3 inch pumps or stockings.  Most women do not know how to walk or drive in 3 inch pumps as well.  Have you really thought that through, or does it just sound like a nice fantasy to you? 

But this is a good screening strategy if he's only looking for women who DO know how to walk or drive in 3" pumps. He's probably not looking for MOST women, he's looking for a woman that will be compatible with him.

For example, when I was dating I screened out anyone who couldn't be bothered to run spellcheck or use standard capitalization in emails. Sure, that rules out 90% of all men, so you might say, "That's stupid because most men don't run spellcheck or use standard capitalization." But I would not be compatible with anyone who doesn't do those things, so it made good sense for me to rule people out if they didn't do those things, and guess what? I only met men who did those things and didn't waste my time (or theirs) meeting people who didn't.

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RE: no bra, no panties ! - 3/24/2010 12:26:48 PM   
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First..I live in Florida..winter never really comes into play down here.

Secondly...we are talking about a females look...in the first meeting. If thigh highs or panty hose are better for the legs
is a matter to be discussed later is it not? Besides..how much worse on legs can it be? Same can be debated over
a thong vs bikini's..is one "better" for her pussy than the other?

My major point, that you've missed, is requiring a slave to come to a 1st meeting with no pantys or bra,is a safety issue
when you consider those outside the lifestyle that may glimpse her, so to speak, and take advantage of her.

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RE: no bra, no panties ! - 3/24/2010 12:39:45 PM   
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RE: no bra, no panties ! - 3/24/2010 12:46:44 PM   
JayDragon


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Status: offline 		No...but there are times when a meet is just that..meeting at a restaurent for example.

If meeting at her home or mine then this whole arguement is moot isnt it?

Easy to think things out rather than trying to be cutsie..

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RE: no bra, no panties ! - 3/24/2010 12:50:28 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		No, you're being "cutsie."

A girl is sitting quietly in a dress without underwear.

Do explain how that's dangerous. Or, apparently in your world, people have X-ray vision.

Talk about things you know something about.

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RE: no bra, no panties ! - 3/24/2010 12:53:36 PM   
Jeffff


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Status: offline 		So you are saying that if a man sees a woman without panties, he is going to...attack her?


Florida is rougher than I thought.... the Keys are nice though


Edited to add. Of course it would be someone outside the lifestyle. everyone in the lifestyle is pure and kind and thoughtful.


Let this resonate in the Community!

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RE: no bra, no panties ! - 3/24/2010 1:00:27 PM   
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I agree with DarkSteven. I believe it is a control issue. The Dom wants to see how submissive you are and whether you are willing to comply. I believe the problem would stand if you would assert youself and say that was to make you uncomfortable and the Dom would push the issue. I believe that would be the point the point of red flags. And if the Dom has a problem with your uncomfortability, then sorry you are not compatible.


no particular dig at you - but that smacks of testing the submissive before youve even reached first base.  thats just plain rude and distrusting and i wouldnt play along for that reason.

id not only wear panties, id wear fully upholstered granny knickers just to piss you off!  - but id wear them with syle and a cheeky smile.



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RE: no bra, no panties ! - 3/24/2010 1:00:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		The entire post...that began this...talks about a female driving in 3" heels...or walking in them.Now if she is driving to my home..or a public place...it doesnt appear the posters feel that is safe.

I have met slaves in public places for a 1st meet before...if you havent then thats fine for you.What I prefer a slave to wear
really isnt a concern of yours..as long as I FEEL she is safe.If your in the fantasy of getting your way and the slave be dammed...then fine...thats you.

One thing about this lifestyle...aside from obvious safety issues...is there is no right or wrong way.Its preferences.

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RE: no bra, no panties ! - 3/24/2010 1:02:49 PM   
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Aylee

First..I live in Florida..winter never really comes into play down here.

I was in Florida earlier this year.  It was 40 degrees in the middle of the day in Miami. 

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Secondly...we are talking about a females look...in the first meeting. If thigh highs or panty hose are better for the legs
is a matter to be discussed later is it not?

So. . . this is not about compatibility it is about having a lust object. 
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Besides..how much worse on legs can it be?

Vericose veins.  'Nough said. 
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Same can be debated over
a thong vs bikini's..is one "better" for her pussy than the other?
Apples versus oranges. 
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My major point, that you've missed, is requiring a slave to come to a 1st meeting with no pantys or bra,is a safety issue
when you consider those outside the lifestyle that may glimpse her, so to speak, and take advantage of her.


Like sell her the Brooklyn Bridge or something?  Or become so engulfed with lust that they do her right on the table at Starbucks?

So. . . it is okay for you to be lusting after her "look" in thigh highs but no one else had better be lusting after her bra-lessness or panty-lessness?  Hypocrite. 

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RE: no bra, no panties ! - 3/24/2010 1:03:07 PM   
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I agree with DarkSteven. I believe it is a control issue. The Dom wants to see how submissive you are and whether you are willing to comply. I believe the problem would stand if you would assert youself and say that was to make you uncomfortable and the Dom would push the issue. I believe that would be the point the point of red flags. And if the Dom has a problem with your uncomfortability, then sorry you are not compatible.


no particular dig at you - but that smacks of testing the submissive before youve even reached first base.  thats just plain rude and distrusting and i wouldnt play along for that reason.

id not only wear panties, id wear fully upholstered granny knickers just to piss you off!  - but id wear them with syle and a cheeky smile.





Which cheeks would be smiling?

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RE: no bra, no panties ! - 3/24/2010 1:03:11 PM   
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nope...but can you guarantee it WOULD NOT happen?? try reading it all before jumping to silly conclusions

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RE: no bra, no panties ! - 3/24/2010 1:04:18 PM   
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I am the final arbiter of right and wrong. Try not to bother Me with inconsequential question though. It takes up a lot of me time.


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