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LadyAngelika -> RE: Where is the compassion? (3/20/2010 8:27:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domroomiesneeded Bring.it.on. Just find another thread to have this debate on, ok gentlemen? - LA

domroomiesneeded -> RE: Where is the compassion? (3/20/2010 8:31:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: lots of people keep mentioning the free care up there. I think the only people I've ever seen refer to socialized health care as "free" are the people who are against it, often using the term "free" to disparage the arguments of people who are in favor of socialized medicine. Everybody understands it has to be paid for somehow, usually with taxes. You dont understand! That is the mindset of many Canadians. It's free! My kid has the sniffles--I've gotta take my kid to the doctor or the hospital because it is "free" My kid fell and scraped his or her knee--I've gotta take him/her to the doctor or the hospital. Why should I spend a few bucks on a bottle of alcohol and some swabs and bandages? It's free! When a service is perceived to be free, it is abused. This isnt rocket science but human nature--especially by the cheap mooching leftwingers.

LadyAngelika -> RE: Where is the compassion? (3/20/2010 8:37:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domroomiesneeded Lady Angelika: quote: Calling me a brainwashed Canadian? Sweetie, I've been called much worse ;-) I never specifically called you a brainwashed Canadian. But you have to admit that it is bizarre that many Canadians consider the staunch leftwing CNN a rightwing news source. Take care and I hope to visit your beautiful city again sometime in the future No, not specifically. Just said that some Canadians were brainwashed in response to my post. So you want me to let you off on a technicality? ;-) And I do not use CNN as a news source. When I can, I get a hold of Le Devoir, a French language newspaper in Montreal's. I'm often stealing my boss' copies of The Economist and of Harvard Business Review, which are more business than politics or religion, but it does give an idea of the impact of politics on business. I like to read online as I get many sources. I will go to Google News and when a topic interests me, I will select a source I find credible. I'm also fond of a site called The Reason Project. I like Television shows that go in depth as well. In terms of politics and religion, I get a lot from shows like Real Time with Bill Maher as I like to watch interviews, discussion and debates. I think the most important is to get your information from various sources. Now what do you say you redeem yourself and help me keep this thread on topic? - LA

LadyAngelika -> RE: Where is the compassion? (3/20/2010 8:39:44 PM)
My gosh. I'm not sure when it will sink in that this is not a thread to discuss the canadian or american health care system? domroomiesneeded, if you really need to talk abou this, go to the main page here in Politics and Religion and press on Start A New Topic. - LA

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Where is the compassion? (3/20/2010 8:51:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domroomiesneeded Okay. Start listing the 45 million Americans and I will list the Canadians who flee to the US for healthcare. Considering that the US has 9 times the population, this will be tough--but I will give it a go. Bring.it.on. Are you always this confrontational? The point is, 45 million Americans have no access to health care at all because of the way our system is structured. You have waiting lists because of the way your system is structured, but everyone is covered. Both systems have flaws, and those flaws result in somewhat different access problems for people in both countries, but I find your system fundamentally much more compassionate than ours. I'd rather have your flaws than our flaws, because that would mean that I had your more compassionate system. I find it interesting that the differences in our health care systems say a lot about the two countries, and the level of compassion found in each. I would also point out that if we did have a system similar to yours, it's a lot less likely that your fellow Canadians would be hopping across the border for treatment, because our facilities would have the same problem yours do. If we covered all our citizens, we wouldn't have the capacity for yours. Yes, we'd probably have waiting lists for many procedures, but people wouldn't die young or lose their homes for lack of insurance, and I'd call that a bargain well-made.

domroomiesneeded -> RE: Where is the compassion? (3/20/2010 8:53:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika quote: ORIGINAL: domroomiesneeded Lady Angelika: quote: Calling me a brainwashed Canadian? Sweetie, I've been called much worse ;-) I never specifically called you a brainwashed Canadian. But you have to admit that it is bizarre that many Canadians consider the staunch leftwing CNN a rightwing news source. Take care and I hope to visit your beautiful city again sometime in the future No, not specifically. Just said that some Canadians were brainwashed in response to my post. So you want me to let you off on a technicality? ;-) And I do not use CNN as a news source. When I can, I get a hold of Le Devoir, a French language newspaper in Montreal's. I'm often stealing my boss' copies of The Economist and of Harvard Business Review, which are more business than politics or religion, but it does give an idea of the impact of politics on business. I like to read online as I get many sources. I will go to Google News and when a topic interests me, I will select a source I find credible. I'm also fond of a site called The Reason Project. I like Television shows that go in depth as well. In terms of politics and religion, I get a lot from shows like Real Time with Bill Maher as I like to watch interviews, discussion and debates. I think the most important is to get your information from various sources. Now what do you say you redeem yourself and help me keep this thread on topic? - LA I was responding to Thishereboi who lamented that most of the bile and hatred towards conservatives came from Canadians. But if you do not wish to debate this, and accuse me of not keeping the thread on topic..... Real Time with Bill Maher? Wow. Just wow! [:(]

Thadius -> RE: Where is the compassion? (3/20/2010 8:57:46 PM)
Where is the compassion? It is found in each and every community, from the fundraisers and benefit dinners they hold, to the collection jars that can be found in every corner store. It is found in all those that donate their time and or money to help out the various causes, charities and individuals. It found in the folks that annonymously drop gold coins in the collection pails, or drop food off in bulk to various food pantries. Whether or not the video you posted was a staged event or not, simply shows a single incident of some idiot(s) spouting off. What has that got to do with compassion? Further, is the implication that those that don't support the current "health care reform" don't have compassion. Is mandated generosity more compassionate than those that give without any thought of reward or punishment any better? I think not. My compassion ends, when somebody believes they are entitled to me being generous. Simply my point of view, Thadius

juliaoceania -> RE: Where is the compassion? (3/20/2010 9:04:29 PM)
quote: Back behind reason, where it should be. Where was the "reason" amongst those asshats in the video? Weren't they responding in a knee jerk manner?Or is the only unacceptable emotion "compassion", but angry mob is fine?

juliaoceania -> RE: Where is the compassion? (3/20/2010 9:05:34 PM)
You wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and bit you in the ass quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity The truth can be bothersome, can't it. quote: ORIGINAL: Jeffff quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity That guy's lucky he wasn't a Conservative, and those weren't enraged leftists, especially union thugs - or he might not have lived. That's just a dick thing to say

LadyAngelika -> RE: Where is the compassion? (3/20/2010 9:05:48 PM)
quote: But if you do not wish to debate this, and accuse me of not keeping the thread on topic..... Real Time with Bill Maher? Wow. Just wow! Actually he is one of my sources, yes. He's a big believer on all sides of government working together and using opposition as way of keeping each other in line rather than acting as enemies. And yes, he can be one sarcastic mofo but if you look past that, you'll find one very compassionate man. - LA

LadyAngelika -> RE: Where is the compassion? (3/20/2010 9:12:16 PM)
quote: Where is the compassion? It is found in each and every community, from the fundraisers and benefit dinners they hold, to the collection jars that can be found in every corner store. It is found in all those that donate their time and or money to help out the various causes, charities and individuals. It found in the folks that annonymously drop gold coins in the collection pails, or drop food off in bulk to various food pantries. That is great. Sounds like you have a strong community. They aren't all that strong. But that doesn't ensure basic health care for everyone in your nation. Your nation is a series of communities that decided to join together as United States of America. Your defense is centralised. Why not your health care? The problem I see is that you are never going to find a way to spend tax payers money that everyone is going to agree on. But why not trust your government to put in place the right systems to administer the programme? - LA

domroomiesneeded -> RE: Where is the compassion? (3/20/2010 9:32:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius Where is the compassion? It is found in each and every community, from the fundraisers and benefit dinners they hold, to the collection jars that can be found in every corner store. It is found in all those that donate their time and or money to help out the various causes, charities and individuals. It found in the folks that annonymously drop gold coins in the collection pails, or drop food off in bulk to various food pantries. Whether or not the video you posted was a staged event or not, simply shows a single incident of some idiot(s) spouting off. What has that got to do with compassion? Further, is the implication that those that don't support the current "health care reform" don't have compassion. Is mandated generosity more compassionate than those that give without any thought of reward or punishment any better? I think not. My compassion ends, when somebody believes they are entitled to me being generous. Simply my point of view, Thadius Well said Thadius

domroomiesneeded -> RE: Where is the compassion? (3/20/2010 9:34:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika quote: But if you do not wish to debate this, and accuse me of not keeping the thread on topic..... Real Time with Bill Maher? Wow. Just wow! Actually he is one of my sources, yes. He's a big believer on all sides of government working together and using opposition as way of keeping each other in line rather than acting as enemies. And yes, he can be one sarcastic mofo but if you look past that, you'll find one very compassionate man. - LA Bill Maher is a pure hatemonger. Have you ever heard what he has said about the ultimate feminist, Sarah Palin? Come on Lady Angelika [8\|]

LadyAngelika -> RE: Where is the compassion? (3/20/2010 9:40:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domroomiesneeded quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika quote: But if you do not wish to debate this, and accuse me of not keeping the thread on topic..... Real Time with Bill Maher? Wow. Just wow! Actually he is one of my sources, yes. He's a big believer on all sides of government working together and using opposition as way of keeping each other in line rather than acting as enemies. And yes, he can be one sarcastic mofo but if you look past that, you'll find one very compassionate man. - LA Bill Maher is a pure hatemonger. Have you ever heard what he has said about the ultimate feminist, Sarah Palin? Come on Lady Angelika [8\|] I do not see him as such. I see him as someone who is making light of very serious issues with comedy. Some shots are below the belt, yes. His message is about building a more United USA through critical thinking and being responsible. Sarah Palin is not the ultimate feminist. She is a pawn and not a very intelligent one at that. I actually feel sorry for her (compassion) but her one saving grace is that she is oblivious to how ridiculously she is perceived. She is at the core, along with some of the liberals, for creating the great divide between the parties. - LA

philosophy -> RE: Where is the compassion? (3/20/2010 10:01:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domroomiesneeded Have you ever heard what he has said about the ultimate feminist, Sarah Palin? ..oh, i get it. You're Domiguy having a laugh.......

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Where is the compassion? (3/20/2010 10:04:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika Sarah Palin is not the ultimate feminist. She is a pawn and not a very intelligent one at that. I actually feel sorry for her (compassion) but her one saving grace is that she is oblivious to how ridiculously she is perceived. She is at the core, along with some of the liberals, for creating the great divide between the parties. She's a nasty, lying imbecile, and whatever Maher said about her was probably an understatement. She's not only a symptom, but a primary cause of what this thread is about in the first place.

LadyAngelika -> RE: Where is the compassion? (3/20/2010 10:23:48 PM)
Oh please do not summon him here. So far this thread has only mildly run off topic. - LA

Aylee -> RE: Where is the compassion? (3/20/2010 10:29:54 PM)
Lady A, I posted a bit of an essay and a link on another thread. Umm. . . The title was something like "Are these forums representitive of American opinions in general?" I will re-post the link. I think that the essay explains fairly well what is happening. http://www.hatrack.com/osc/articles/empire_afterword.shtml

LadyAngelika -> RE: Where is the compassion? (3/20/2010 10:40:52 PM)
Thank you for sharing that Aylee. Specifically, I think these 3 points are great importance though the whole article is worth reading: quote: But any rational observer has to see that the Left and Right in America are screaming the most vile accusations at each other all the time. We are fully polarized -- if you accept one idea that sounds like it belongs to either the blue or the red, you are assumed -- nay, required -- to espouse the entire rest of the package and quote: A good working definition of fanaticism is that you are so convinced of your views and policies that you are sure anyone who opposes them must either be stupid and deceived or have some ulterior motive. We are today a nation where almost everyone in the public eye displays fanaticism with every utterance. and quote: In short, we are creating for ourselves a new dark age -- the darkness of blinders we voluntarily wear, and which, if we do not take them off and see each other as human beings with legitimate, virtuous concerns, will lead us to tragedies whose cost we will bear for generations. Or, maybe, we can just calm down and stop thinking that our own ideas are so precious that we must never give an inch to accommodate the heartfelt beliefs of others. How can we accomplish that? It begins by scorning the voices of extremism from the camp we are aligned with. Democrats and Republicans must renounce the screamers and haters from their own side instead of continuing to embrace them and denouncing only the screamers from the opposing camp. We must moderate ourselves instead of insisting on moderating the other guy while keeping our own fanaticism alive. In the long run, the great mass of people who simply want to get on with their lives can shape a peaceful future. But it requires that they actively pursue moderation and reject extremism on every side, and not just on one. Because it is precisely those ordinary people, who don't even care all that much about the issues, who will end up suffering the most from any conflict that might arise. - LA

hlen5 -> RE: Where is the compassion? (3/20/2010 10:55:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius Where is the compassion? It is found in each and every community, from the fundraisers and benefit dinners they hold, to the collection jars that can be found in every corner store. It is found in all those that donate their time and or money to help out the various causes, charities and individuals. It found in the folks that annonymously drop gold coins in the collection pails, or drop food off in bulk to various food pantries. Whether or not the video you posted was a staged event or not, simply shows a single incident of some idiot(s) spouting off. What has that got to do with compassion? Further, is the implication that those that don't support the current "health care reform" don't have compassion. Is mandated generosity more compassionate than those that give without any thought of reward or punishment any better? I think not. My compassion ends, when somebody believes they are entitled to me being generous. Simply my point of view, Thadius I agree that there is plenty of compassion to help people in one's own community. I think what LA has been trying to talk about all along in this thread is the civility of the debate, no matter the topic or which side you are on.

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