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Biorhythms ? - 3/20/2010 9:02:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		A biorhythm is a hypothetical cycle in physiological, emotional, or intellectual well-being or prowess. "Bio-" pertains to life and "rhythm" pertains to the flow with regular movement.

Although labelled a pseudo science largely by scientific profession, for the purposes of divination, I have used it to good effect with a college exam I was expected to fail, the result of which I passed with 98% to the amazement of my colleagues and tutors. The result of which they then understood I was either cheating, or I possess all the information and understand all the theories, but when asked cannot articulate the required answer. Privately and kept privately at the time,I am not prepared to stick my head above the parapet and say what I thought when asked, for fear of failure, I lack that confidence, a long held personal problem with a root, which still exists to this day with real life social interaction with people whom I don't know.

Anyway, the exam was back in 1994 and I had in my posession a chart of plotted biorythms and I was asked when I would like to sit the exam I had missed by being away, I consulted my chart and picked a time when according to the chart, I was at the peak of my intellectual cycle. After the exam, the interest in biorythms faded away, which is quite usual for me.The chart I had, was plotted off the internet, my first esposure to this wonderful thing we all take for granted today, the biorythm theory was  brought to my notice by my father, who normally will not buy into anything considered pseudo science, but he himself used it in his work, so I gave it a go.

So, for a long time forgotten about, but recently the theory has reappeared on my radar whilst trying to personally analyse my actions in the case of my forum contributions, my posting activities, which I know to be kind or erratic in both frequency and content, it does appear to me, to follow a pattern, a cycle perhaps. A cycle which I feel to be natural, with similarities to the cycles of nature and this very planet, if not the universe, the ebb and flow of life.

With thinking, I know humanity has cycles active within it, cycles that can with a level of surety be used to predict, that being the monthly cycle with women, also the effect of the moon on our planet, what it does to the oceans and again life, be it plant or animal, also my personal belief on the climate change, it being part of a cycle beyond our control, the ebb and flow of life, almost like a breathing organism, in and out, positive/negative, light and dark, polarities, one extreme to the other and somewhere in the middle of the extremes, a condition of neutrality, which can be taken as balance or the eye of the storm depending on your perspective.

So, biorythms are back with me, and further inquiry into them, as if there exists cycles all around us, why not in us, cycles we can identify and use to our betterment. Now divination does not in itself interest me, I prefer to take each day as it comes, but on occaisions the ability to know when one is at a peak, valley or sea leavel might be advantageous, or at least might be of some use to explain a past action which might be of some personal embarrassment.

I am also taking an interest in the field of chronobiology with reference to my own sleep patterns, and cannot help but feel somewhere Biorythms although considered pseudo science, might be in there somewhere, and it is with interest  biorythms  have and still are used in industry, with  United Airlines using them up until the mid 1990's to plot pilot's not so good days and still with the air freight carrier Nippon Express, so some at least have some belief.

But, if life is about ebb and flow, then if this was noted and implemented, maybe we might one day achieve a level of balance or controllable near balance in all things, our very working lives, our finances, the state of the nation ad finitum. Perhaps the adage of give and take is an attempt at realising the natural cycle that is all around us, with us and in us is our true and natural being and what we do outside of what is natural, is unnnatural and therefore wrong for us, our planet and the universe.

Does anyone here admit to using biorhythms or know anything about them, what do you think about the natural cycles that exist or might exist around and in us, of use, or just pseudo science ?


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RE: Biorhythms ? - 3/20/2010 9:21:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've always attributed them to be much like horoscopes, like when they had those little online tests that said see if you biorythms are compatible with others, etc.

The thing is, as a woman, I'm fully aware of a cyclical pattern of energy in my body. There are weeks where I feel energetic and good natured and one week where I feel like a beached whale and an emotional land mine.

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RE: Biorhythms ? - 3/20/2010 9:44:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, at least with women there can be a degree of predictability due to the monthly cycle, both women and males can understand, the latter if they care to understand, but with males we are largely unpredictable because there is not a cycle we are aware of that affects our moods and emotions, although I have my suspicions the moon also affects us in ways few are aware of. The blood moon for example, notorious in some parts of the world, where on the full moon there is a high traffic in casualty departments due to males being out getting pissed and fighting, the moon energy also rises in males.

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RE: Biorhythms ? - 3/20/2010 12:45:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		What I'm talking about however is something hormonal and internal. What you are talking about is something external and energy-based.

While I'm not ready to make a broad sweeping statement that it's all bunch of hooey, I'm also not going to readily accept that there is causality.

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RE: Biorhythms ? - 3/20/2010 4:41:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		A lot of heart attacks take place around 4:00 AM. That's an example of biorhythms in action. As is when planning your schedule, put the hardest thing first in the morning. Because your energy level plummets in late afternoon.

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RE: Biorhythms ? - 3/20/2010 4:46:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I always remember, around 1pm through to 2pm, that was always the worst time for my productivity levels when in work, I though it was due to the fact I ate at midday and after that the lethargy was the digesting food, sod all else mode, but when I started to work through my dinners without eating, the same occurred, with a peak happening around 1600 hours normally, the desire to continue working, as the interest was high, not go home and battle the wife.

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RE: Biorhythms ? - 3/20/2010 8:12:51 PM   
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Does anyone here admit to using biorhythms or know anything about them, what do you think about the natural cycles that exist or might exist around and in us, of use, or just pseudo science ?



I don't know much about them, but I'm inclined to believe it. I can't think of any reason not to, really. The principle seems perfectly reasonable.

It's a very interesting topic, though, and your thread has rekindled my curiosity about it. Thank you! I think I'm going to look into it a bit when the time presents itself.


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RE: Biorhythms ? - 3/21/2010 6:20:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Energy levels rise around 4:00 PM? That's unusual. Most people fall off about then. It isn't coincidence that tea is usually at that hour.

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RE: Biorhythms ? - 3/21/2010 7:46:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've plotted my biorhythms and yes, I'd say there's something in it, certainly events in my life have had predictable outcomes and explanations because of where I was in my cycles at the time.

I don't follow them now, not out of lack of belief, but interest. I had a point where I just said "OK, this works, and...?" and stopped bothering.

As a side point, I also find I have, or had a drop off in productivity right after lunch. In my case though, it was undiagnosed Diabetes. Not sure how my ex-boss would react to finally knowing why my nose would be constantly hitting the desk from 1pm till 4, though.

DesFIP, 4pm in the places I've worked hasn't been tea time, but ciggie break time


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RE: Biorhythms ? - 3/21/2010 8:19:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		In some hotter countries they have the siesta after lunch a time when it all goes quiet and people hit the hay, only to start re emerging around 5pm and there carry on working into the early evening, the result of which shops tend to stay open late, which is good for the tourist, but the reality is these people have the sense not to be working in the hottest part of the day, the period from around noon to late afternoon. Now it might just be because of the hottest part of the day slows a person down, or it might be the after dinner lethargy needing an hour or two's sleep, but it does seem to take in the period where in the day  the people are not at their best. This might simply be avoiding the heat of the day, the sleeping off of dinner, or  they may very well be aware of the natural rhythms within themselves and there tune into them for better living, and in the case of working, their most productive parts of the day.

Now, I have lived in a country not so far of the equator, and at first the siesta period annoyed me, (I was like the mad dog walking around in the heat),  the closing down of everything for the afternoon kip, but after a while I learned to go with the flow and adopt the same methods, the result of which an hour or two's worth of sleep mid afternoon actually made me feel better all round, none of this getting sleepy the later into the day one gets through being awake all day, but a level of energy that carried on into the night. The normal western view of eight hours uninterrupted sleep fell by the wayside, I found I could sleep less and be alive more. I say alive in that I liken that to being awake and not feeling the pull back to the nice warm bed situation.

Now, if it is we sleep in four hour blocks, is the eight hours uninterrupted sleep necessary, would grabbing four hours rest every four hours awake be more beneficial for us I wonder. When I used to sail, the watches were in four hour blocks, as was the guarding duties I used to do as member of something else. This four hour cycle thing comes up in many places, perhaps four hours is the absolute maximum we can hope to maintain attention for, attention essential in some occupations.

Interestingly the hotter countries where they have the after dinner siesta or whatever it is called in their country, they seem not to figure highly with stress related illnesses and heart attacks, perhaps these people have advanced, and tuned into their natural rhythms, perhaps biorythms even, something us in the west with our heart attacks and stress problems need to learn.

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RE: Biorhythms ? - 3/21/2010 11:31:13 AM   
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A lot of heart attacks take place around 4:00 AM. That's an example of biorhythms in action. As is when planning your schedule, put the hardest thing first in the morning. Because your energy level plummets in late afternoon.


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RE: Biorhythms ? - 3/22/2010 7:28:11 AM   
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I can't really read the whole wiki on it because of eyestrain. However IIRC these are calculated from personal data, not some unknown influence. If true that gives the theory some weight. It's a personal thing, unique to each.

Even if so it is hard to determine what is caused by internal conditions and what is imposed by environment. But since we do adapt, who is to say that it matters ? That can be argued both ways. Is the biorhythm all internal ? Is it intended to be ? Should it be ? Whichever the case, how then does something like SADD fit into this box ? Clearly defined and real, but there are a few pieces of the puzzle still missing.

Interesting subject, thanks for regurgitating it back up in the thought process. Maybe I should have one done, and just see how accurate it is. More importantly I think I can isolate external conditions well enough to get an idea, I mean because I am so stoic.

Many mysteries exist, like why is a menstrual cycle linked to the phase of the moon. Looking at it from a purely scientific standpoint we have a slight change in sea level resulting from the slight change in (actual) gravity. How would that have any significant impact on egg production cycles in the females of our species ? Sound ridiculous, but then there is that pesky evidence. Evidence which again proves that we do not know everything.

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RE: Biorhythms ? - 3/22/2010 1:31:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, the female cycle that tunes into the full of the moon, I know that one, for when I lived with a bunch of  women, family before you think otherwise, before they all moved in, their rag weeks were all at different times,( which was nearly hell), but luckily for some odd reason, they all tuned in to about the same time, the full moon within a few months, which was even better. Probably a good reason for the blood moon, with women on the rag at the full moon, the males are out getting hammered and inevitably end up fighting, or could it be the women getting stressed and putting the chaps in casualty/ emergency room, either way, the full moon has a powerful effect on us all, including the veg.

Oh, yeah, rag week was hell, that was before I got 'em eating evening primrose oil and star flower oil capsules in the hope it cooled the tension, it did


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RE: Biorhythms ? - 3/23/2010 9:22:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looking at it again scientifically (now Ladies don't take this wrong) it is quite possible that rag week causes certain nutritional deficiencies. This could explain a few things. However if it is somehow linked to the phases of the moon then all of astrology would have be under consideration, ay least to some extent. Really though, the month and year you were born does affect your life, and is the start date of a biorhythm to boot. While I have no desire to go into mumbo jumbo, there are things we do not know. The argument can be made both ways. For example palmistry, seems like total crap right ? But wait, the exact pattern of your handprint is solely dependent on your DNA is it not ? With astrology can we argue against it with the premise that we know about every type of energy in the universe, inside and out of the EM spectrum ? I think not. I do not fall for these things, but I do not summarily dismiss them.

It just so happens I am a Leo, and I fit the part perfectly despite the fact that I like to switch. If you put a gun to my head you will not get the expected response to say the least. I will not ever really submit, that's why I need to be chained up.......... not right now.

But did the stars have an influence on how I turned out ? Who's to know. The biggest problem with this is that we can't get empirical data because a double blind study is simply impossible. But then what if say astrology is based on the traits of people born over the milennia, and let's say it's all true just for that reason and that their assertions are based on past history ?

If so their assertations have some weight. Just like at work, if I see a TV that has too much red or no red I look first at the red amplifier circuit, after ruling out the tube of course which takes me about thirty seconds. So what if all the people born thoughout many centuries during a certain month had certain characteristics, which were noted. The data were collated and reasonable hypotheses drawn, and then they wrote the book. Astrology however seems to be more symbolic, whereas biorhythms are not.

I'd almost bet that if we look hard enough we could find a site that'll do at least a basic chart for us free. Then we could report our findings.

And what if it's all true ?

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RE: Biorhythms ? - 3/24/2010 10:16:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Astrology, well, at least the birth characteristics stuff I tend to have an interest in, purely because we have via science and observation ascertained our nearest astral body the moon has an effect on us as far as we are told gravity is concerned, gravity being one universal force we know about. But if the moon asserts a gravitational effect on us and earth to such an effect it is very noticeable, what about other gravity effects from other planets, do they reach our planet, and if so do they affect us similarly, but in a more subtle way. Other planets we know about they move like our own planet, they follow an orbit around our sun, if each planet has a gravitational effect, some larger and some smaller, what happens when a group of planets are near to each other or conversely far from each other, what are the forces asserted. Then we have the sun itself, it provides warmth and light, but that is not the only thing coming from it, scientists are daily discovering other things emitted from that ball of energy, neutrinos I believe, discovered down the bottom of a mine in the 1970's, what else has been recently discovered and with that, what else is yet to be discovered, from the sun, and the astral bodies and the universe itself.What other forces are yet to be discovered, how does sound frequency affect us etc.

I do personally believe from my own thoughts that we are not just born as animal matter and that is that, what we are is a product of our parentage and our surroundings as we form in the womb and how we evolve out of it, it not just about nurture, but about the universe we live in.

Astrology to most is about divination, that I believe is something that can change from second to second and is if anything only a guide for the fraction of time it is made aware to us, so divination is irrelevant, and largely useless, a bit of fun perhaps. What we are, the characteristics that are said to be typical of a person born at a certain time, yes, I can believe that given my understanding and thoughts regarding the forces in the universe, but like everything what we are is subject to change as the universe changes and perhaps our reason to be here, is to evolve and as far as the natal characteristics are concerned, evolve even from that. I see it that those who say they are nothing like their natal characteristics as evolved from them, they have moved on from themselves to be come something else, perhaps they had no need of their self to move on, but others that say they are typical of the recorded natal characteristics, they have yet to learn something and so need themselves to find that something or even pass it onto future generations.

I understand a situation arises that there is a blurr between the lines of many seperate subjects, perhaps spirituality and science for example, but were they ever meant to be taken as seperates, what if everything that affects us and we effect is all part of the same, spirituality as a part of science and vice versa, much what I believe the ancients held, but then more emphasis on the spiritual aspect, the study of science only coming in with imbalance between the two subjects. Perhaps a time will come when the two once again merge and with that the other seperate fields of study, art and music  along with them. Perhaps our need to seperate things is our failing, but then with every seperate field of study there is always a leader, a controller, maybe the need is to  rid the leaders and accept everything is for everyone, not just the leaders.

Everything that is us, is for us, we are it, be that spiritual, scientific, artistic or whatever, it is us, and what we believe is personal to us as complete beings.

Oh, BTW, I am a scorpio, so according to the natal characteristics, I will ponder the hidden.


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RE: Biorhythms ? - 3/24/2010 3:46:32 PM   
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RE: Biorhythms ? - 3/24/2010 7:02:58 PM   
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If we speculate that astrology is real it must be some undiscovered energy, or not ? Just the seasons changing must have an impact. Of course we are all used to the changes in the seasons, but we weren't at one time. Could the starting poiut, just from a climactic view, have an impact of one's early development ? I would think that an assumption likely to be true.

To take a wider point of view palmistry and iridology could have a-----comparison.

I've read a bit on each, and the similarities are there. While most consider palmistry a farce, your handprint is effected by your own DNA. I spelled that right, it is caused by your own specific DNA. And they do change. I used to have a long sun line but most of it is gone, also the rings are different. The reading is not as "good" as it used to be, but I have really abused myself and had some mishaps. Did by body react or is it just coincidence ?

Iridology has a different type of "logic". In that they supposedly see certain patterns in the retina, or other factors like maybe the lens, but they don't even think it stays the same. I actually have a chart with different anomalities in the retinae of people with certain diseases. Did someone make this all up or is there something to it ? 

Accupuncture was considered somehow primitive and was dismissed for a long time and look at it now. Nobody wanted to believe that there were like "cross connections" in the body like that but now it's a fairly respectable trade, or recognized or whatever you want to call it. Western medicine seems to have admitted that they don't know everything in this case.

So there are those minute gravitational forces. OK, but is that all ? We don't even know everything about our own bodies, our own world, it would be idiotic to presume that we know about everything in the universe. Ergo there is the possibility of forces that we cannot yet detect, and of course cannot say that is the same in spectrum or whatever than another source, such as a star or a galaxy or whatever. Just fifty or sixty years ago alot of the EM spectrum was closed to us, the frequencies were unheard of. Sometime in the sixties though we attained the ability to use carriers at up to about a gigahertz.

But there could exist a totally different form of energy, perhaps even unhindered by the big C (speed of light). Something that will eventually be discovered.

The word occult in and of itself only means "that which is hidden", it implies nothing else. In that way undiscovered science is about the same thing as,,,,, who knows ?

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RE: Biorhythms ? - 3/24/2010 7:34:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yep, Occult simply means that which is hidden, it is why I said it that way, hidden as opposed to occult, because when hearing the big O word, people get the wrong idea because of the religious aspect.

Yes, forces yet to be discovered, I agree with that, and with that, I suppose everything will change. Maybe one day, a bona fide respected scientist will actually stick their neck out and say the ancients were not entirely wrong, for they the present enquirers have discovered something new which was always there, but hidden from view because of  notions of pseudo science and divination.

Modern day science, how old is it compared to the intelligence displayed by history ? Could it be said, that despite our advances in technology, science is still in it's infancy and there is yet lots more to be understood, the most important piece being do not resign anything anywhere until it is explored fully in all it's ways and understandings, for it may yet happen, the key to solving the puzzle has yet to be found.

But of astrology, why do so many believe in it, and why does it still attract the so called unbeliever, surely a bit of fun is not always the motive, could it be they want to believe, but because of what they are told, can't ?

I am one that understands al things as possibilities until proved otherwise by method I can understand and agree with, simply a person who identifies as a scientist is not enough, they have to prove to me beyond what I know to make me reconsider my thoughts.


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RE: Biorhythms ? - 3/24/2010 8:16:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now that we have meandered pretty deep into that, biorhythms.....

Environmental factors. Let's suppose you have a tribe or nation of people who only sleep every other day. I know it can be done, you sleep deeply, possibly for say eleven hours and then the next night you don't sleeep. Would that affect your chart ? I think it would especially if you were raised that way from day one. Whether this ever happened or not is irrelevant, the question is relevant to the subject. It could've happened, perhaps they needed guards overnight and addressed it that way.

Also some people need to eat four or five times a day while others can do fine with once a day. Some fast, and I rembember enough swinging Saturdays to say that it is not that hard (well sometimes it was). Blood sugar issues aside, can one also be conditoned to eat less more often or to eat more less often ? I would think it likely. Now how would that affect the chart ?

Now what if our days were longer or shorter ? Would we still have 24 hours ? Nobody knows but I mean the span of time would be different. And years as well. To astrology for a second, the seasonal year we experience does not exactly coincide with the sidereal year, which IIRC is how long it takes the Earth to get 360 degrees around the sun. That causes the constellations to change. If any of it is true, this means that there are infinite possibilties when it comes to these influences.

I'm never going to fall into astrology, but I do not dismiss it. Even if I were to believe, I don't think they have enough evidence from which to draw valid conclusions. Some may think that because this planet was there at the time everybody born from the 18th to the 23rd of that month will be electricians and from the 25th to the 29th will be plumbers. It simply doesn't work that way unless you are really off the deep end.

It may all be environment, but in that environment there are alot of factors, both known and unknown.

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RE: Biorhythms ? - 3/24/2010 8:53:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have wandered back into biorhythms because of my patterns, I do sleep when I sleep, for ten to twelve hours, but after that, I can stay awake all night the next night, day and part of the night again, furthermore, I eat only when hungry, which might be once a day one day, and nothing the following day, yet I still perform. I am trying to sort it all out, if it can be sorted out, I would like to be able to go to sleep early and get up early and likewise, eat as what we are told is properley, I want to give it a go, to see if positive changes can be made.Too many times have I tried this, but this time I am trying an approach with a method, not a haphazard, lets do this kind of thing, I am trying to use the biorhythm to perhaps tune into the right time to try, as if joining the rhythm at the right time allows continuance.

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