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Yes, make Termy's law into law
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No, things are just fine how they are
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In another lame attempt... (read before voting) - 3/21/2010 4:07:18 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		I have stated a goal, but it floundered. Now I will bring it up in a new light, perhaps more in focus. I wanted to unify the masses and now will try it with methodology which I would term a singularity.

Simple premise : Government officials except for military personnel get the same retirement and medical care they so benevolently bestow upon us. While certain special extras might be earned by those who actually see combat, or possibly LEOs, other than that your congressmen and senators get in the same line with you to sign up for SS when it is time to retire. They fill out all the forms for medicare just like the average Joe. To simplify it totally, bring it to a razor sharp point : they get what we get.

If we can reach a consensus on this, the only thing to do then is to stop electing the store boughten candidates, which of course is easier said than done, but without some sort of solidarity nothing gets done. Can this be the one rallying point ? Can this be the first step towards cleaning up the cesspool we call government ?

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RE: In another lame attempt... (read before voting) - 3/21/2010 4:23:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am convienced the our votes count like sands on a beach . Mabey what I have read about the Illuminatie running things is realy true. Look at Bushes reaction to the Election of Obama when he annouced that he would help with the transision. Now look at the leaneage of all of our elected officials and how they lead back to some old eourpean family tree of power. Obama is distantly related to the King of England that was the advasiary of William Wallace. Futher they all seem to share realatives in common all of them.

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RE: In another lame attempt... (read before voting) - 3/21/2010 5:26:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		willing, it's all true. There is an Illuminati, there is some very sequestered land used by Masons for rituals and parties and such. The worst you have heard is probably true except for the alien shit and the tinfoil hats. Bohemian Grove does exist, as do other places. But that doesn't mean much. Those bodies are made up of alot of members of government who probably do discuss plans and strategies there,,,,,, as well as other places.

Alex Jones has revealed it with actual footage supposedly. While he draws all kinds of conclusions from it, what I saw was not so different from what a bunch of drunken college kids would do. I don't really care if GWB was there lighting up a sacrificial goat in the nude, so the hell what ? Kerry was probably there too, but so what ?

The thing is to get these leeches untrenched, our only avenue is votes. As such we need a voting bloc, with which to wield the true power we actually have, which is to unseat them. No seat, no bribes, now what you have to say ? You vote against this and a voting bloc can guarantee you are out of the seat come next election. Then we have a little talk with the new guy.

The way I see it, just one such idea can spread like wildfire and become the grass roots issue of all time. FORCE them to comply. But it doesn't work so well when once in the chair they get benefits for life after "working" for six years or whatever.

The whole premise I proposed is very young, a fledgling perhaps. I got it down to so simple that I can't see just about anyone disagreeing with it. But some will and I suspect that those who do are on the recieving end of such entitlements. For example get on an inner city bus around election time and listen to people talk about who to vote for - who will give us more welfare. The rich are no different. The "entitled" are no different.

If they truly want to serve the country they would go for this, enact it and possibly entitle us to more of our own money back instead of taking it for themselves.

It doesn't get much simpler than that.

T

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RE: In another lame attempt... (read before voting) - 3/21/2010 5:31:17 AM   
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RE: In another lame attempt... (read before voting) - 3/21/2010 5:35:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		You are preaching to the quire but with the electorial collage and the behind the senes power like the dynimo in Japan and you know there names toyoda,misibisi,ect we have no chance the votes go in the results are set in some back room by the iluminity and we have whoever they pick.

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RE: In another lame attempt... (read before voting) - 3/21/2010 7:38:44 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		One of the things many find hard to grasp is scope, relevance and perspective. We can't do a President yet, I doubt we could seriously affect a senator. But get me one congressman who will stand for us. Rand Paul is looking pretty good for the senate as well. We'll see how that goes.

The pendulum swings. It is very heavy, but if we all push........

Get what I mean ?

T

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RE: In another lame attempt... (read before voting) - 3/21/2010 9:34:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I tend to disagree,we as a people can do a President,Senetor,Congressman whoever the problem is in my opinion the majority of voters don't vote and that's the problem.Until this past election where Obama  (The first african american was elected president of the united states)We the people that voted for him got him elected not some back room bullshit.I do believe part of the problem why un til very recently people stopped voting for the most part is exactly what you two have been saying.But what hasn't been said yet is we as a people gave them the power to do the backroom deals by giving up our voting rights in the first place leaving the door wide open for the Big power players to do whatever.Don't get me wrong I can still see out of my rose colored glasses,and am not nieve to think we will get our way everytime,but if we just give up before even doing anything and leave it up top the powers that be to make the right decisions  who's fooling who?We have no one to blame but ourselves we're so use to letting someone else do it for us ,but then we want to sit around belly acheing about the end results until the next time when we do the exact same thing.I am of the firm belief in order for real change to happen everyone has to do their part every time.It was that way once upon a time I'm just curious as to when we'll have had enough of the crap to take it back.That's my rant for this
evening,and my thoughts on the topic I'm sure there are a lot who will disagree and that's cool to.Just thought I'd add my 2 cents.Have a good evenin g.,
quote]ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

One of the things many find hard to grasp is scope, relevance and perspective. We can't do a President yet, I doubt we could seriously affect a senator. But get me one congressman who will stand for us. Rand Paul is looking pretty good for the senate as well. We'll see how that goes.

The pendulum swings. It is very heavy, but if we all push........



Get what I mean ?

T
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RE: In another lame attempt... (read before voting) - 3/22/2010 6:24:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		A question from someone who is wholly, and happily unaffected:

How are you thinking of implementing and enforcing this, while still promoting the free market and defending the rights of these elected officials to invest or save with a view to enhancing this standardised retirement fund?

Having an agenda is all very well, having fire in your belly is all very well, but you'd better be ready to answer any and every question with a workable, thoughtful, tried and tested answer. THEN you'll be making a difference, and doing something no current politician does.

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RE: In another lame attempt... (read before voting) - 3/22/2010 6:41:25 AM   
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And then we have electoral college, and many in my circle of people believe it should be abolished and a President be elected directly by popular vote. The way it is right now if you are in a really red state and vote blue, your vote really doesn't count. If someone say in Iowa, voting against the mainstream was assured that their vote counted along with those in Alaska, it would be worth it. But it doesn't.

But most other representatives are directly elected. This is precisely what can give us the power, if only we know how to use it. Elect me and I'll take about fifty grand or so a year and return the rest. And I won't be jetting off to the middle east, it is simply not my job. I would know my job and do it.

Another part of my proposal would be that all bribes are public. That means any money taken from any lobbyist goes on the books, and more importantly on the news. And I don't say I would never take any, but I would be on guard for a conflict of interest. The only bribes I would take would be from those who need a bit of inside help to start a business for example. Something that provides decent jobs. To be totally upfront I would go ahead and cut them a bit of slack with environmental regulations if needed. We need the work that badly. A nice clean environment, right, for the birds and the bees after we all starve to death. Screw that, I don't represent birds and bees. Of course one must be reasonable, we can't be total pigs when it comes to the environment but if this current situation continues, we might be the next endangered species, as hard as that may be to grasp.

All around me I see able bodied people willing to work, disheartened because there is none. People with Phds applying for jobs in fast food. And that ad I saw, I couldn't believe a college was advertising that one of their alumni was a cashier at a grocery store. I am not putting the position down, but it doesn't require a college education, at least if the normal school system is functional. And that's part of the point. You shouldn't need a degree to get a job. There are plenty of jobs that require some intelligence, but more importantly a strong back. Except for construction, most of this is offshore now. You just can't build a stadium or a strip mall in China and have it trucked in. I bet they would if they could. They actually can with prefab, but it's not so practical (read profitable) due to a few factors. It's not the most favorable construction method in the world and it still requires quite a bit of on site labor.

I am possibly the perfect candidate. We may disagree on many things, but I would not favor any more government intrusion into peoples' personal lives. I would do as much as possible to get government out of our lives, and pockets. The pocket part comes later, but it's still a shit sandwich. Eliminate agencies and you have unemployed people. There is no way around that fact.

It doesn't have to be me, just someone who understands the spirit of the Constitution, and will discharge their duties in concert with same.

And be sure, they will try to get you. They got Trafficant though he did nothing (much) and they would love to get Dr. No(Ron Paul) but it irks them that Paul is so utterly squeaky clean that he's pretty much untouchable.

It's our move, and we're moving so slow you can't tell which way we're going. If we start something like this it is imperative we concentrate whatever resources we can muster on the right battle. Start with one. find someone to run against one of the greediest bastards in there who has a very slim margin. Numbers don't just mean something on the individual level, they matter when it comes to congress and the senate as well. Each congressman who is on our side is 1/435th of the power of that body. Each senator on our side is 1/100th of that body of power.

At the moment I am concentrating on the federal level. Local politicians tend to be more accountable, possibly because it is easier to vote the bums out on that level. Many people vote, but only on local issues. This is where they feel their vote counts, and indeed it does. In Cleveland after White flight we had about a half million people left. That means less than a quarter million dollars in postage to reach each and every one of them. The fliers might cost a dime apiece and the content could well be generated by volunteers. It's just a matter of typing it up then. If something I wrote got accepted for such use and got someone good elected I would consider it a feather in my cap. I would not take money. There are things more important than money.

Every Man and Woman of the future is a child of today, we OWE them not to run the place into the ground. We don't owe them a living or free healthcare or any other thing, except opportunity. The way things are going now, they will get everything but.

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RE: In another lame attempt... (read before voting) - 3/22/2010 6:47:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lots of words, Termy old chap, but you're saying nothing. How about you answer the question asked?

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RE: In another lame attempt... (read before voting) - 3/22/2010 9:42:35 PM   
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I would probably have to run the game from stem to stern and honestly, I don't know if I have it in me. the way I see it our only hope is a slowly but steadily increasing popular base. Using the KISS theory, we keep it simple. Stick to one issue at first, as premised, they get what we get. It has to be the lowest common denominator or very nearto. I don't mean we are McDonald's, but the idea is similar.

This is marketing, and it is one of "their" most powerful tools. If they are an opponent, which I think they are, I am not going to cripple myself with limitations. Therefore I seek the lowest common denominator. Just ask your neighbors about how they think about their congressmen and senators getting all these freebies for life at our expense while we eat cat food. They know how to spin, well so do I.

That's the answer, raise their intelligence about this and this will raise their ire. Then we have power to use. I don't know how else to explain it, manipulation of people just seems to come easy sometimes. But starting on the right foot is important. I created this thread to find out if possibly this is that popint, the crux, the fulcrum so to speak. Without enumerating the responses right now, it doesn't look good. It either didn't attract enough attention or some really do disagree. And IMO the only people who would are on the recieving end of our tax dollars. Who the hell would agree to have their pocket picked every day ?

The answer is to start small. Get us some people in both houses. With that we might be eventually able to turn a store boughten candidate for Pesident to lame duck status at least, maybe get one impeached if necessary.

The journey of a thousand lifetimes begins with one step. This is crucial to realize, that true change is not going to happen overnight. It is going to take alot, and that is just to get started. My answer : patience and persiverence. And that's it.

The people who run the world operate multigenerationally, and think in the long term. This has gained them superiority in the world. We must do the same. Even at best we might not see much in the way of results for our effort, but we must do it for future generations. And this is from a guy with no kids, I could just die and say fuck you all. But I don't.

I am not fucking around here. I don't pretend to have all the answers. I cannot do this alone.

I don't know what else to say right now. We need ideas, people with some sort of morals, people who despite their own hardship will stand up and be counted. People who want to be counted together, as that is the root of true power. Slow but sure we put the bums out and put our's in. That is the only way without an armed confronation. People in general will not (yet) support that, which makes it immoral, and more importantly unlawful.

To be morally correct we must do it this way. There are methods for our peacful redress of our grievances, until they are exhausted if we escalated it into a civil war or whatever, we would be as guilty of violating the principles of this country as the government. I prefer the higher ground myself. If I die trying at least I was in the right. Until then the time has not come.

If we gat busy and do something sooner than later, that time might not have to come. Now who's talking sense ? These stooooppid fucks running this country into the ground just don't know when to stop. I say we tell them.

I'll find the genesis of this, the starting point. Wanna do the graphics or something, or write a page or two ? Fine. But I know how the world works and I can tell you this much, this is the only way. We need to start small, then grow. If you understand that, participate, if not oh well. I tried to get it down to one single point and some voted against it. I would really like to know why.

T

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RE: In another lame attempt... (read before voting) - 3/22/2010 9:44:02 PM   
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RE: In another lame attempt... (read before voting) - 3/23/2010 4:40:53 AM   
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...we keep it simple. Stick to one issue at first, as premised, they get what we get.


Speaking practically, if you can't tell people in intimate and undeniable detail how you're going to go about this, you won't get anywhere.

I'm not trying to derail anything, or pour water on your fire, but you have to understand that the first thing you're going to be asked, by anyone who's serious about joining you is "How?".

What I see is a good orator, you speak a good rousing tale, you call people unto the breach, but those people have NO IDEA why they're there, or what they're going to do when they get there.

So sit down, crunch some numbers, give your words teeth, publish the long, drab, boring, dry policy document with all the watertight budgetary policies, all the costings worked out beyond question, all the I's dotted and T's crossed . THEN people will follow you.

And for god's sake, if there's an ounce of seriousness to your proposal, stop saying you have no idea how to go about it.


ETA: This is Fitz, BTW. Bloody girl never logged out!

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RE: In another lame attempt... (read before voting) - 3/23/2010 6:46:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Daddysredhead

My eyes must be tired... I saw this as "(read before vomiting)."


You are the only safe one to talk to in this thread. The OP and some of those other guys freak me out. I think they are Waco escapees.

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RE: In another lame attempt... (read before voting) - 3/23/2010 8:15:28 AM   
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Believe it or not I appreciate all the naysayers. Nobody said anything like this would be easy, I'm just thinking that it's possible. I did name the thread "In Another Lame Attempt" and yes, please read before "vomiting" LOL.

OK, plan must be more coherent, people will not follow without knowing more about it. That in light of the fact that they'll follow the PTB practically unquestionably. But probably quite true. So what to do ?

Well, for congress to put their hands back in their own pocket, congress will have to legislate it. That means a member has to propose it, therefore we need someone who will. What's more some serious public pressure will be needed to make anything of the sort pass.

The way I see it the hardest thing to ignore is fact. Not that people don't do it, but at least stand on terra firma. Perhaps just a full accounting of the costs of retiring these suits would go a long way. Does anyone have an idea just how sweet of a package they've voted for themselves ? How many of you can retire so comfortably after working say twelve years ?

I figured this would go over quite well in light of all the people losing their retirement and medical insurance, yet have to pay these crooks for the rest of their lives after having a cushy job that mainly entails taking money. They don't usually read the bills on which they vote, half of them don't show up which is the reason for a quorum call. Not only that they fly anywhere they damnwell please on our dime and can park anywhere they want. And then the franking priveledge, which most use chiefly just to stay in the seat, which gives a leg up to incumbants. I can't believe anyone would see this as fair and just. I don't see how anyone could support what these selfish assholes do with our money.

For example I would fully support the abolition or restructuring of the federal reserve. This would put the control of the money supply back where the Constitution intended, with congress. However I don't find them trustable and as bad as the fed messed up things, I have faith that congress could and would do worse.

And I do not exempt myself from the following - we have become lazy, disoriented and incoherent, and perhaps we deserve what we have. It wouldn't be so bad if the parasites had not dug themselves in like a flea on a dog's back. They have tipped the scales towards incumbency but what did you expect from incumbents ?

I am not stupid. I believe I can be an asset. I know I said that maybe I would have to totally run the project, but that doesn't mean I don't need some help. I simply don't have all the answers, no Man does. One Man did not put 535 fleas on our back and one Man cannot remove them all.

Why is it that if I came in here asking for help because my ass was bleeding or my heart was broken people would rush to my aid, but when it comes to something like this all people want to do is argue ? My best guess right now is that people see certain problems as insurmountable and therefore to be ignored. The founding Fathers were right, we will suffer until it becomes insufferable. But why must it be so ? Why is it on a matter of such import most would rather stick their head in the sand than to face up to it and at least try to do something ?

Apathy.

And that is sad. This from a people who put a Man on the moon, invented the transistor, invented TV (don't bring up Baird right now), and once enjoyed having one of the most robust economies in the world despite massive debt. I don't like what I have seen happen to my country and I doubt many do. Despite the fact that our economy was an enhanced Ponzi scheme, with the proper management it could have been sustained for long enough that we could have solved a few problems before it's collapse, but the greed of those who we supposedly trust to handle such things, it is all coming to a head prematurely. We are not ready to return to a sound economy, we are not ready for the sacrifices needed to fix this mess. We have been stabbed multiple times. And we take it laying down, GM gets their bailout, and immediately closes down a plant. Banksters get a bailout and immediately take a vacation. Are these the actions of people with our best interests at heart ?

Of course not, so why do we just keep letting them take ? It has to stop somewhere. We have to take the profit out of government. Serving the electorate is supposed to be SERVING. Not TAKING.

Take this - when confronted about their expensive pay and retirement package, generally a congressman will use the defense that "Well I could make more in the private sector". OK, well why the fuck didn't you stay in the private sector ? All your good intentions or something ? Do you know what it means to serve ? How can any government official in a suit look a veteran in the eye ? (if he has one) How can some suit who never worked a day in his life tell a real working Man why he can't get this or that in his retirement ? And do it when they do get it.

Why do we have to choose, if we are lucky enough to have the choice, between PERS and SS while they can collect both, as well as a military pension (military pensions are not on the table). But we can't have it all but they can.

This is more than a matter of simple math, there are a few other factors. We have 535 of these leeches on board now, but what of the past leeches ? Each and every one of them costs us dearly for the rest of their lives, and we pay to prolong their lives as long as possible.

It seems they want to kill the working Man. Nothing against sex change operations but if you play your cards right you can get it for free from the government. Meantime I am going blind and eventually will not be able to work, that is unless I come up with about ten grand which I don't happen to have laying around right now.

Y'know it has occured to me that maybe this just isn't going to work, so maybe I should just go with the flow. I'll sell my house for ten bucks, go apply for food stamps, and disability and all that. Meantime I will work and enjoy my pot, beer and filet mignon. On your money. Hey, it's OK when they do it, why not me ? All this ethic shit and morality shit doesn't work today. All my life I have been extremely reluctant to ask anyone for anything, that's not the way I was taught. Maybe it is time for me to adapt to this mad world and take it for all I can get. Maybe it's time I forget about my values and just take and take and take, all that I can get.

Through the government I can get quite a bit. If I don't come up with ten grand I will really be disabled, so then they can fix me. I'll work under the table and have a bit extra every month. The check will be gone in one day but percosets are going for about three bucks apiece. I could sell them because I don't do painkillers. All that plus what I make working should do nicely. All this seems perfectly fine with everbody, so why shouldn't I just do it, get mine ?

Maybe being at peace with myself and my ethics is not as important as it seems.

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RE: In another lame attempt... (read before voting) - 3/23/2010 9:35:09 AM   
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OK, plan must be more coherent, people will not follow without knowing more about it. That in light of the fact that they'll follow the PTB practically unquestionably. But probably quite true. So what to do ?

Well, for congress to put their hands back in their own pocket, congress will have to legislate it.

<snip bluster>


So start drafting the legislation document, the white paper, submit it for peer review, canvas the populace, convince experts and the captains of industry, talk to a congressman, join a party (for now), persuade someone with the pressure and completeness of your argument, prove that it's going to make life better for the ones you're trying to strip of money, power and a comfortable future.

Make no mistake, you will be attacked. You will be attacked personally and physically. Your reputation will be destroyed, your liberty will be curtailed.

The populace at large follow unquestioningly because they're being kept deliberately ignorant and taught that god and country are the only things that count. The constitution is hidden from them, their rights are ignored, and they accept it all without question because the grand high poobah says there's infidels at the gates who will steal their credit cards and close McDonalds if YOU LET THEM IN!

You will fight the power, so you have to be smarter and stronger than the power.

When was the last time a coup succeeded in the States? When was the last time the system was changed from the inside out?

I think you'll find it was called the War of Independance.

Not for one second am I saying you shouldn't dream, you shouldn't fight, you shouldn't hate the system and want to change it, but the mere suggestion that you could succeed where Osama Bin Laden failed is laughable.

Or do you think it was coincidence that two passenger jets were aimed for NY's financial district?


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RE: In another lame attempt... (read before voting) - 3/23/2010 10:57:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is late Fitz, but that warrants a response.

Truth is I am almost done, I got hit with black mold I think and am half blind and sometimes half dead. I can still work and function, but my time is coming and I have left no mark on the world. I am not afraid of jail or prison, or even the grave. I have warned people about mentioning those tax loopholes, that they would become a target, but that's them. My situation is different. They will have to use iron (bars) or lead (bullets) to stop me. What stops most people is the threat of same, but the threat no longer works on me. In a way I am really free.

If this fizzles out I will try again, I can go to blogs all oer the place and post the same ideas. I can and I will until they get me or I expire for some other reason.

I believe that I am as smart as they are, at least the more competent politicians. I don't know if I can challenge the real powers that be, but the fact still remains that we have the vote.

With money support we have a sort of franking priveledge, if people just contribute to the postage and printing. I am not stupid enough to use a TV ad, but maybe the radio. But you notice how that form of media has changed, for security to protect the status quo. But nobody can stop us from using direct mail, or even hand distributed flyers. People have more "respect" though for direct mail, especially if you don't use stamps, just get someone with a Pitney Bowes and pay them to run them through.

I know the tricks, and I know the trade. When I was in business you know what my advertising budget was ? Absolutley $0. I know all about direct feedback, how to use perks, incentives and coupons even. With the proper professionals I can write, and direct a TV or radio ad. I can write flyers like you couldn't believe and I know how to get them printed for cheap, maybe even free if I find a supportive print shop.

I know I'm not playing with kids here, but realize neither are they. A marketing plan to sell whatchamacallits is child's play to me, and I know this is a different situation. I am not stupid. I know what I am getting into and this is something I want to do while alive. After all, what are the other options ?

Maybe I should get the old legalese dictionary out and write the thing myself.

Whereas as of __ of _________ in the year _________ all federal pensions are abolished and any and all funds allocated for that disbursal shall be remitted to the social security agency. Military funds and pensions are exempted from this act.

Further, all funds set aside for after service healthcare for government employees is to be remitted to the general fund (like they did with our SS money) and be used to provide healthcare to the people at large, excluding illegal immigrants.

I'm not done with them yet, but that should give you an idea.

Now understand this, power builds on itself if maintained properly. We get this one thing, just one going and push enough and it happens, what do we do next ? Well whatever we want because we are then establishing our true identity, which is the true power of the US, and the true holders of wealth, regardless of the theft that has already occurred.

Taking back the power, and doing it in a totally lawful manner is the top goal. I have no kids yet I care. I don't understand why those with kids don't take a heavy interest in these matters because they get what we leave them. Even if we fail, it would be worse to have never tried.

I am already a target, so, so what ? I can still drive up to the print shop and pickup a truckload of flyers and run them down to the post office. I can do cold calls, telemarketers do it all the time. I can talk to the local cable TV company about running a few ads, and I could probably rent a billboard if I had the money.

Which brings that up, money. We will never have enough, so like in martial arts we sidestep. If can't use our power against them the first thing is to keep them from using their power against us. After a few rounds of the game we might find ways to use their own power against them. More on that some other time because it is just too much to describe right now. You have seen it happen between business rivals in their ads, well guess what, I know how to play that.

I am out to fuck them up and I am willing to go out in a blaze of glory if necessary. I will not be cowed. I will not put up with this shit and if I have one goddam thing to say about it I am not leaving this world in this condition for our progeny. I have to do something.

You should understand that this is well reasoned out. I am half dead and half blind compared to what I used to be. My bills have doubled and are going to double again around the end of this year. They will not put me in jail, though I have tried. I am not involving myself with the government in any way, as much as I can avoid, and if they come for me they get a corpse, because if they come for me I will shoot at least one of them. I am turning fifty this year and have had a very full and fast life. I have lost more than many have ever had.

Not to worry, I am not going to do anything stupid, but the fact is, the lack of fear is what makes people do things, big things. Once I get this refined just right I want it on every blog on the planet. It's not me who will actually cause the change it will be the People. I am nothing more than a catalyst in a sense.

I brought this subject here because I want to be a better, more effective catalyst, any ideas ?

T

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RE: In another lame attempt... (read before voting) - 3/24/2010 7:57:05 PM   
Fitznicely


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Maybe I should get the old legalese dictionary out and write the thing myself.

Whereas as of __ of _________ in the year _________ all federal pensions are abolished and any and all funds allocated for that disbursal shall be remitted to the social security agency. Military funds and pensions are exempted from this act.

Further, all funds set aside for after service healthcare for government employees is to be remitted to the general fund (like they did with our SS money) and be used to provide healthcare to the people at large, excluding illegal immigrants.


Using florid language to reiterate the same vapid, thoughtless, toothless idea isn't legalese, it's nonsense.

This is what I'm on about. I'm afraid I don't know the US equivalent of a White Paper, but this is the document you need to produce. I suggest you familiarise yourself with the concept and produce one. This is a LONG document that takes in expert opinion, watertight reasoning and tried and tested methods, regarding passing required legislations, acquiring and distributing funds, acknowledging and suggesting solutions to problems which may be faced, and a good dozen other things which any law, any national ruling needs before it's taken seriously.

This, Termy, old chap, is your FIRST step. The rest is hot air.

Get writing.

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RE: In another lame attempt... (read before voting) - 3/24/2010 8:36:37 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		Well I guess you're right except about the pointless part. I'm sure if "they" wrote it, it would be so full of holes it would make Swiss cheese look like a brick wall.

But no matter what, as a private Citizen I really can't propose legislation anyway correct ? I would say we need someone on the inside, and once proposed take careful note of who votes for or against it. And I also agree that it is alot more work than meets the eye. But to just introduce a bill to that effect who would do it ? I think either Ron or Rand Paul would. Ron has his seat, we'll see how Rand does soon enough. But one Man in each house even does not a majority make. The things is to get it proposed, then it is public record. Something solid. No voice vote.

Yes, it is very early in the game.

T

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RE: In another lame attempt... (read before voting) - 3/24/2010 8:42:51 PM   
thornhappy


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Status: offline 		Dude, this is all bogus.  Look up RealOne's thread about this and LadyEllen's responses.
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ORIGINAL: willingtosuck

I am convienced the our votes count like sands on a beach . Mabey what I have read about the Illuminatie running things is realy true. Look at Bushes reaction to the Election of Obama when he annouced that he would help with the transision. Now look at the leaneage of all of our elected officials and how they lead back to some old eourpean family tree of power. Obama is distantly related to the King of England that was the advasiary of William Wallace. Futher they all seem to share realatives in common all of them.


Now as to Federal pensions, they might not be what you think.  Plans changed in the '80s.  Here's the current retirement info:

Federal Employee Retirement System (FERS) has three components, 1) Social Security like everyone else, 2) Thrift Saving Plan (TSP), which is basically 401K, usually matched at maximum of 4%, and 3) the Basic Annuity, which is the pension you are referring to.

The Basic Annuity is calculated as

1% of your high-3-average pay X your number of eligible years in service

High-3-average pay is the your highest three consecutive years pay averaged.
Eligible years include any military service.

There are also age requirements (~60) and years of service requirements (~20) before you are eligible to receive a pension.


< Message edited by thornhappy -- 3/24/2010 8:50:17 PM >

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