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The Wingers Who Cried Wolf - 3/26/2010 12:36:21 PM   
Brain


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Whoa!

RealClearPolitics published that article?

THAT could actually be a sign of the apocalypse!

Well, maybe not ... but it sure is just a bit out of character for that site.
 
March 25, 2010

The Wingers Who Cried Wolf
By Joe Conason

Listening to right-wing talk radio on the day after Congress passed health care reform, Bill O'Reilly was stunned. To him, the hosts and the callers sounded "crazed" as they shrieked about "the end of the world, we're socialist now, we have to take the country back." Maybe the Fox News host hasn't been listening, but there has been plenty of crazy in the air now for many months on his network and elsewhere on the airwaves.

Going too far for O'Reilly is going very far indeed, but the madness of the conservative reaction has yet to abate. His friend and colleague Glenn Beck declared that health care reform means "the end of prosperity in America forever ... the end of America as you know it."

Bill Hemmer, another Fox host who probably needs medication, has suggested that the legislation will send Americans who don't have health insurance to prison. The Washington Times editorial page compared the bill to the Black Death, and the Drudge Report put up a headline suggesting that its passage is the equivalent of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

On the radio, Rush Limbaugh, the past master of extremist chatter, told his listeners that the bill is an "utter disaster" that represents "the destruction of America as founded." With its new regulation of insurance companies, he warned, this reform will inexorably lead to the destruction of the private health care industry and bring down the health care system, because the real plan is for government to take over all medical care. Lesser wingnuts in print and on the air scream that this bill means government will take over the entire economy and control everything we do -- and even that the costs of health care will somehow result in "global Armageddon."
 
Stirring up such lunacy almost worked for the Republicans, who came close to stopping health care reform again. Each episode of reform versus reaction has seen them go further and further in falsehood and demagoguery, and each time they have prevailed until now. But this time, with reform signed into law, they may suffer the consequences, when their own lies come around to hit them like a boomerang.
 
Health care reform isn't socialism (just ask the old Socialist Party USA, which has denounced the bill for that very reason). It isn't the end of the world, the destruction of the American system or the ruin of democratic capitalism. It won't mean that government is taking over the health care system. It isn't going to send anyone to prison or arraign elderly patients in front of "death panels."
 
Over the next six months, millions of voters will take a deep breath and realize that those attacks were blatantly untrue. They may even discover that the bill passed by the Democrats and signed by President Obama will benefit their families immediately.

Although many of the bill's most significant changes will not become effective until 2014, several important reforms will take effect this year. Insurance companies will be prohibited from their notorious practice of dropping coverage of people who get sick. Their rules on lifetime limits will be eliminated, and their limits on annual coverage will be liberalized.

Insurers will no longer be permitted to exclude children from coverage because of pre-existing conditions. And uninsured adults who have pre-existing conditions that prevented them from obtaining insurance will get coverage from a special risk pool that will end when the new insurance exchanges -- where private companies will compete -- go into operation a few years from now. A similar program will cover early retirees who are too young to qualify for Medicare, assisting companies in turning over their workforce and creating jobs.
 
The bill also closes the infamous "doughnut hole" that the Republicans created when they wrote the Medicare Part D drug coverage bill. Patients who fall into that gap will receive a $250 rebate right away, and the hole will eventually be closed completely.
 
Limbaugh listeners and Fox fans will stick their fingers in their ears and scream "socialism," but the rest of America may listen -- and then decide, sometime between now and Election Day, that passing health care reform was the right thing to do.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/03/25/the_wingers_who_cried_wolf_104914.html
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RE: The Wingers Who Cried Wolf - 3/26/2010 12:59:06 PM   
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Hey Brainbot,

Did you miss the article about the gap in kids coverage, that they are scrambling to fix? Hmm, or the fraud clause that is in this bill that allows insurance companies to drop coverage for what they deem to be fraud (which in the past has been anything from not mentioning a sore throat you had as a teenager...).

Not sure where you are going with this thread, but figured we might as well correct a couple of points in it.

Have a nice day.

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RE: The Wingers Who Cried Wolf - 3/26/2010 1:28:38 PM   
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Which they were working to fix.

Your not going to suggest this is the first time people have sat around looking for a way to make a loop hole in the wording of a bill that they can exploit?  Nor the first time the wording has been adjusted after passage?

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RE: The Wingers Who Cried Wolf - 3/26/2010 1:32:20 PM   
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they only count when the DEMS do it.  Lord knows not one GOP bill passed ever had to have loop holes closed or changes to fix errors

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RE: The Wingers Who Cried Wolf - 3/26/2010 1:51:10 PM   
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Which they were working to fix.

Your not going to suggest this is the first time people have sat around looking for a way to make a loop hole in the wording of a bill that they can exploit?  Nor the first time the wording has been adjusted after passage?


Oh I know that language needs to be adjusted from time to time after passage of a bill. However, this bill has been sitting around since it passed the Senate on Dec. 24th. Further, because of the immense pressure to pass it before all support was lost, they couldn't try to fix or even look at such loopholes. Which is also why the drafters of the bill (staffers mainly) carved themselves out a sweet little exemption to the bill. Perhaps, that is the reason they didn't want to post the final language for folks (we the people and legislators) to be able read and understand before the vote.

The reason I am even mentioning the 2 points that I did is because the President is out on a sales tour of the now law, and keeps mistating the 2 points that he himself know are not accurate, I would suggest that he is even overstating some points.

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RE: The Wingers Who Cried Wolf - 3/26/2010 1:53:25 PM   
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they only count when the DEMS do it.  Lord knows not one GOP bill passed ever had to have loop holes closed or changes to fix errors

I didn't say that at all. The donut hole that was just filled or claimed to be filled is a good example of the GOP fucking up on a bill.

One would think though that one of your strongest selling points and headline programs would be pretty solid. Like covering kids with pre-existing conditions. No?

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RE: The Wingers Who Cried Wolf - 3/26/2010 7:24:08 PM   
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Thadius, think about it. The meme is already out there. The problems with the bill are all the fault of Republicans. They are already repeating it like a mantra, and the media is going along with it. It will be a very powerfull campaign slogan for the mid-terms....

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RE: The Wingers Who Cried Wolf - 3/27/2010 2:01:58 AM   
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Correct?  More like manufacture new lies like death panels.  So where are those death panels?  In outer space?

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RE: The Wingers Who Cried Wolf - 3/27/2010 2:08:45 AM   
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When are you going to complan about the Republicans for a change???  Like, if ever.  Some bi-partisanship for a change, how about. 

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they only count when the DEMS do it.  Lord knows not one GOP bill passed ever had to have loop holes closed or changes to fix errors

I didn't say that at all. The donut hole that was just filled or claimed to be filled is a good example of the GOP fucking up on a bill.

One would think though that one of your strongest selling points and headline programs would be pretty solid. Like covering kids with pre-existing conditions. No?

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RE: The Wingers Who Cried Wolf - 3/27/2010 3:35:34 AM   
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It's not a perfect world
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZujuYiweht8

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RE: The Wingers Who Cried Wolf - 3/27/2010 3:55:28 AM   
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..... the loophole for the staffers is already gone.

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RE: The Wingers Who Cried Wolf - 3/27/2010 8:41:30 AM   
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..... the loophole for the staffers is already gone.


Umm, not quite...But nice try.



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RE: The Wingers Who Cried Wolf - 3/27/2010 8:50:13 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

When are you going to complan about the Republicans for a change???  Like, if ever.  Some bi-partisanship for a change, how about. 

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ORIGINAL: Thadius


quote:

ORIGINAL: housesub4you

they only count when the DEMS do it.  Lord knows not one GOP bill passed ever had to have loop holes closed or changes to fix errors

I didn't say that at all. The donut hole that was just filled or claimed to be filled is a good example of the GOP fucking up on a bill.

One would think though that one of your strongest selling points and headline programs would be pretty solid. Like covering kids with pre-existing conditions. No?


Uhm... did you even read the post that you just quoted? I gave an example of the GOP FUCKING UP A BILL.

Which leads me to a question. When are you going to follow your sound advice about trying to be bi-partisan? I suppose we will have to wait until Keith or Rachel give you your talking points and marching orders. Practice what you preach before you start taking shots at me.


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RE: The Wingers Who Cried Wolf - 3/27/2010 9:01:12 AM   
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Correct?  More like manufacture new lies like death panels.  So where are those death panels?  In outer space?

Would the AP be an acceptable source? Or your often quoted yahoo news?

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AP propaganda spouting "lies".
Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Associated Press Writer, On Wednesday March 24, 2010, 5:24 am EDT
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Hours after President Barack Obama signed historic health care legislation, a potential problem emerged. Administration officials are now scrambling to fix a gap in highly touted benefits for children.

Obama made better coverage for children a centerpiece of his health care remake, but it turns out the letter of the law provided a less-than-complete guarantee that kids with health problems would not be shut out of coverage.

Under the new law, insurance companies still would be able to refuse new coverage to children because of a pre-existing medical problem, said Karen Lightfoot, spokeswoman for the House Energy and Commerce Committee, one of the main congressional panels that wrote the bill Obama signed into law Tuesday.

However, if a child is accepted for coverage, or is already covered, the insurer cannot exclude payment for treating a particular illness, as sometimes happens now. For example, if a child has asthma, the insurance company cannot write a policy that excludes that condition from coverage. The new safeguard will be in place later this year.

Full protection for children would not come until 2014, said Kate Cyrul, a spokeswoman for the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, another panel that authored the legislation. That's the same year when insurance companies could no longer deny coverage to any person on account of health problems.




Where did I ever say anything about death panels? Further, why do you feel the need to deny the problems with this bill, and attempt to deflect or change the subject?

Enjoy your Kool-aid, don't worry it was prepared by Jim Jones.

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RE: The Wingers Who Cried Wolf - 3/27/2010 5:00:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Brain

When are you going to complan about the Republicans for a change???  Like, if ever.  Some bi-partisanship for a change, how about. 

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ORIGINAL: Thadius


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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

they only count when the DEMS do it.  Lord knows not one GOP bill passed ever had to have loop holes closed or changes to fix errors

I didn't say that at all. The donut hole that was just filled or claimed to be filled is a good example of the GOP fucking up on a bill.

One would think though that one of your strongest selling points and headline programs would be pretty solid. Like covering kids with pre-existing conditions. No?



Brain, you *DO* realise of course that most people in here don't have the *TIME* to keep up with even a quarter of the things that you come up with, right?
You must be retired or something.
I'm retired and I can't keep up with even *half* of what you're posting.


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