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sirsholly -> RE: Am I looking for a BDSM relationship? (3/27/2010 6:33:32 AM)

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First, while having a strong personality, a good education, a quick mind and ability to take charge...


this describes the majority of submissives i have been in contact with...myself included.




jbcurious -> RE: Am I looking for a BDSM relationship? (3/27/2010 6:53:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Hi there.  First off, what you want is not at all uncommon among submissives.  You just want a man who will take charge, and will do it for the benefit of both of you.

The only hitch you'll have is that there are a LOT of men who think that slapping a Dom label on themselves will result in thousands of eager submissive women who'll do anything for them in bed and require no effort on their part.  You sound like you've already met a few dozen or so like that.

Keep plugging away.



Yes, the last time I looked into this I was quite foolish...jumped with both feet knowing no one and nothing... Some of the situations could make a comedy film, others stupidly dangerous and a couple DOMs that were recommended by other subs who seemed to know what they were doing but still failed to engage my mind...making it a kinky sex session but nothing more.

So my thought process is to connect on an emotional level and actually care for the partner and explore from there???




jbcurious -> RE: Am I looking for a BDSM relationship? (3/27/2010 7:01:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ShoreBound149


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ORIGINAL: jbcurious


First, while having a strong personality, a good education, a quick mind and ability to take charge...The last thing I want in a relationship is to be in charge...

I think most people who know me would be shocked to know that I consider myself to be submissive.

I believe there is a vast difference between submitting to a man through trust, respect and love...and some neanderthal trying to take something he hasn't earned.

I am far from a prude and have enjoyed a lively sex life that has had it's share if kink...but at this stage of my life prefer a mono, longterm relationship



I believe these traits of yours are highly desired by many on here. They were for me.


You mean there may be hope after all? [;)] I appreciate the confidence boost, Thank You.




jbcurious -> RE: Am I looking for a BDSM relationship? (3/27/2010 7:03:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

First, while having a strong personality, a good education, a quick mind and ability to take charge...


this describes the majority of submissives i have been in contact with...myself included.



Were you never afraid of losing who you are in all this?




leadership527 -> RE: Am I looking for a BDSM relationship? (3/27/2010 7:21:16 AM)

jb:

I went through a whole lot of similar "do I belong here" thinking when I got started. The end result of all that thinking and wrangling and various bits of good advice from folks is condensed down to this.

If you found this site and it's drawn you in enough to post, then you belong here.

Insofar as your concern that being submissive means you can't be sarcastically humorous or intelligent, neither of those two things has anything to do with submission. Really, when you get down to it, it's about obedience. So just find a guy who likes your wit and sarcastic sense of humor (which would be good advice for any dating scenario) and all is well, neh?




lally2 -> RE: Am I looking for a BDSM relationship? (3/27/2010 7:29:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jbcurious


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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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First, while having a strong personality, a good education, a quick mind and ability to take charge...


this describes the majority of submissives i have been in contact with...myself included.


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Were you never afraid of losing who you are in all this?


find someone who is compatible with you and enjoys you for who you are and what you want to give - if you do that how would you be losing youreself.




Aileen1968 -> RE: Am I looking for a BDSM relationship? (3/27/2010 7:33:50 AM)

Woops




ShoreBound149 -> RE: Am I looking for a BDSM relationship? (3/27/2010 7:36:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jbcurious


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ORIGINAL: ShoreBound149


quote:

ORIGINAL: jbcurious


First, while having a strong personality, a good education, a quick mind and ability to take charge...The last thing I want in a relationship is to be in charge...

I think most people who know me would be shocked to know that I consider myself to be submissive.

I believe there is a vast difference between submitting to a man through trust, respect and love...and some neanderthal trying to take something he hasn't earned.

I am far from a prude and have enjoyed a lively sex life that has had it's share if kink...but at this stage of my life prefer a mono, longterm relationship



I believe these traits of yours are highly desired by many on here. They were for me.


You mean there may be hope after all? [;)] I appreciate the confidence boost, Thank You.


Now show us your Spanish tits




jbcurious -> RE: Am I looking for a BDSM relationship? (3/27/2010 7:39:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: leadership527

jb:

I went through a whole lot of similar "do I belong here" thinking when I got started. The end result of all that thinking and wrangling and various bits of good advice from folks is condensed down to this.

If you found this site and it's drawn you in enough to post, then you belong here.

Insofar as your concern that being submissive means you can't be sarcastically humorous or intelligent, neither of those two things has anything to do with submission. Really, when you get down to it, it's about obedience. So just find a guy who likes your wit and sarcastic sense of humor (which would be good advice for any dating scenario) and all is well, neh?
Yes, that makes sense. I love your quote as well, it says it all. Thank You.




jbcurious -> RE: Am I looking for a BDSM relationship? (3/27/2010 7:45:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: lally2

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ORIGINAL: jbcurious


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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

First, while having a strong personality, a good education, a quick mind and ability to take charge...


this describes the majority of submissives i have been in contact with...myself included.


.
Were you never afraid of losing who you are in all this?


find someone who is compatible with you and enjoys you for who you are and what you want to give - if you do that how would you be losing youreself.


Maybe I've been reading the ask a Master section too much... It sometimes sounds that there is no value placed on the sub...one's as good as another as long as she's trainable.




sirsholly -> RE: Am I looking for a BDSM relationship? (3/27/2010 7:50:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jbcurious


quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

First, while having a strong personality, a good education, a quick mind and ability to take charge...


this describes the majority of submissives i have been in contact with...myself included.



Were you never afraid of losing who you are in all this?
What scared me was the thought of compromising who and what i was to fit into the "Ideal Sub" mold. What a discredit to myself that would be!

Doms come and go, but the reflection in the mirror is one i will have to face forever.




jbcurious -> RE: Am I looking for a BDSM relationship? (3/27/2010 7:50:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ShoreBound149


quote:

ORIGINAL: jbcurious


quote:

ORIGINAL: ShoreBound149


quote:

ORIGINAL: jbcurious


First, while having a strong personality, a good education, a quick mind and ability to take charge...The last thing I want in a relationship is to be in charge...

I think most people who know me would be shocked to know that I consider myself to be submissive.

I believe there is a vast difference between submitting to a man through trust, respect and love...and some neanderthal trying to take something he hasn't earned.

I am far from a prude and have enjoyed a lively sex life that has had it's share if kink...but at this stage of my life prefer a mono, longterm relationship



I believe these traits of yours are highly desired by many on here. They were for me.


You mean there may be hope after all? [;)] I appreciate the confidence boost, Thank You.


Now show us your Spanish tits


They're Scottish tits... they only reside in Spain...




jbcurious -> RE: Am I looking for a BDSM relationship? (3/27/2010 7:57:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

ORIGINAL: jbcurious


quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

First, while having a strong personality, a good education, a quick mind and ability to take charge...


this describes the majority of submissives i have been in contact with...myself included.



Were you never afraid of losing who you are in all this?
What scared me was the thought of compromising who and what i was to fit into the "Ideal Sub" mold. What a discredit to myself that would be!

Doms come and go, but the reflection in the mirror is one i will have to face forever.

Well I'm hoping the come and go part isn't the case...but I understand what you're saying.




DesFIP -> RE: Am I looking for a BDSM relationship? (3/27/2010 8:42:45 AM)

OP, I'm submissive to one and one only. In 48 years he is the only man I have ever met who has unfailingly good judgment and a willingness to learn before making a rash decision and who has no problem accepting input from me. He is the only man I can ever imagine submitting to.

He also doesn't have such a fragile ego that me asking questions to determine if his decisions were sensible was fine with him. He knew that he was making his decisions on verifiable facts and has no problem letting me into his decision making process to determine that for myself. For two years I asked why a whole hell of a lot. At the end of that I had enough of a history with him to trust him to make tough decisions. At that point I just asked if he had thought of some of the possible downsides of his decisions. He always has. So I no longer feel the need to query him unless I'm just curious.

There are lots of dominants who wouldn't tolerate being asked to explain and justify their thinking. Which just means I'm not compatible with them. It doesn't mean I'm not submissive, just that I wouldn't ever submit to them.




kiwisub12 -> RE: Am I looking for a BDSM relationship? (3/27/2010 9:02:09 AM)

OP, just remember that what we write on this forum may not infact be how we interact in real life. No that some lie - but there maybe a bit of exaduration (sp?) involved. [:D]

For me, i dived in boots and all, and ended up in a 5 year (and counting...) relationship with the first person i met. Going by what you desire, a real time relationship is what you are looking for. Just be normally sensible in meeting people and during the "dating"process don't forget that this is a relationship. If it doesn't feel right, there will always be another dom in the sea.

And inspite of some of the posts here - you CAN negotiate how you would like your relationship to be. At any point in said relationship. There are no hard-and-fast rules - unless you find the mythical Subby Handbook. Pretty much every relationship is reinvented as they go along.


edited to add - You won't lose any sense of self that you don't want to lose. Strong women typically end up in relationships with strong men, and strong men don't want a borderline personality - they want strength that WANTS to bend to them.




beej -> RE: Am I looking for a BDSM relationship? (3/27/2010 9:05:56 AM)

quote:

First, while having a strong personality, a good education, a quick mind and ability to take charge...The last thing I want in a relationship is to be in charge...yet that always seems to be where I get stuck.., which causes me to lose respect for my partner...and if I don't respect him any love I had for him is soon replaced by scorn.


i had this same pattern in my past relationships. for me, because i was strong, i was looking for someone stronger, someone to whom i could give the reins during the part of the journey that i wasn't my forte (i can take a curve at 100 mph, but repelling down a cliff? i need a leader and a blindfold, lol). i encouraged my men to be more dominant, and then i pushed, and then when they buckled, i sometimes doled out my share of scorn. i regret that now, but i've learned better. a man's inability to be what i need doesn't make him a scorn worthy failure, after all.

when i came to this, it was just for kicks at first. i didn't see a connection between BDSM and my old relationship patterns at first. unlike you, i hadn't dabbled in insubstantial play; i'd been strictly vanilla. i came here, went straight to a relationship with a Dom, found what you mentioned here, and it was bliss while it lasted:

quote:

I believe there is a vast difference between submitting to a man through trust, respect and love...and some neanderthal trying to take something he hasn't earned.


BUT i also found that when you get what you ask for, someone who is stronger than you in certain areas, someone who has taken time to know you so well that he can see through your wrapping paper and your box and manipulate your buttons, someone who could scare the hell out of you or love you all to pieces... after you get that, well, there you are in pretty little pieces with your ego deflated. there you are perhaps in league with some of the men that you scorned before. there you are, humble and new and aware that its not about you at all actually; its about the relationship. so regarding this:

quote:

Were you never afraid of losing who you are in all this?


yes, i was, and yes i did lose somethings that needed shedding anyway. the me-centered attitude that had engendered scorn in the past... that was the first thing to go, and that was even before he got his hands on me. very quickly in conversation, i realized that he wasn't there to be my ultimate alpha male fantasy, and i wasn't some high spirited exquisite filly to be broken in by the ultimate pussy whisperer. (lol, it's funny the cliches that you think you're too smart for until BDSM becomes real with a real man.) he was there to let me inside him and to tunnel inside me, which is standard relationship math. there was nothing special about it except perhaps that this venue/lifestyle was what it took for me to fully engage, and there's nothing wrong with knowing that as long as you don't transfer magical expectations to BDSM when really you are just having a lovely internal evolution.

as far as losing spunk and self-respect and such? i didn't lose any of that. he folded all of the authentic parts of my personality into the play, even little trinkets like being a smart ass. :) the rest of the time i was exactly the same except... i dunno, but sometimes a strong woman gets into a habit of defending her position/talents for no particular reason? carrying a chip on your shoulder a bit, just to let lovers know that you are to be valued and taken seriously? (the first thing that you mentioned in your post was your qualifications of awesomeness, and i did the same in the first few drafts of my CMe profile). i dunno, but the point is that i relaxed out of that COMPLETELY in my personal time with my Dom. i was still all of those things, but i didn't feel the need to wear it on my chest like a medal, and i had always done that in past relationships.

i had two good months with that particular Dom, and i came out of it feeling more powerful and more deeply rooted in myself, but i was rooted more in vulnerability and a spirit of giving than in an attitude of "i'm so strong that you must be stronger." and again, all of this has made me appreciate the standard math of a good relationship, and that's what i'm shopping for now just in the kinky section of the store.

i realize that may not all apply to you, but i thought i would be confessional in the interest of helping you find your way. good luck to you. :)




jbcurious -> RE: Am I looking for a BDSM relationship? (3/27/2010 9:15:07 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

OP, I'm submissive to one and one only. In 48 years he is the only man I have ever met who has unfailingly good judgment and a willingness to learn before making a rash decision and who has no problem accepting input from me. He is the only man I can ever imagine submitting to.

He also doesn't have such a fragile ego that me asking questions to determine if his decisions were sensible was fine with him. He knew that he was making his decisions on verifiable facts and has no problem letting me into his decision making process to determine that for myself. For two years I asked why a whole hell of a lot. At the end of that I had enough of a history with him to trust him to make tough decisions. At that point I just asked if he had thought of some of the possible downsides of his decisions. He always has. So I no longer feel the need to query him unless I'm just curious.

There are lots of dominants who wouldn't tolerate being asked to explain and justify their thinking. Which just means I'm not compatible with them. It doesn't mean I'm not submissive, just that I wouldn't ever submit to them.



Thank You so much for your reply

So a long term, one on one loving D/s relationship is a reality... and not just a fantasy I've made up.




jbcurious -> RE: Am I looking for a BDSM relationship? (3/27/2010 9:36:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

OP, just remember that what we write on this forum may not infact be how we interact in real life. No that some lie - but there maybe a bit of exaduration (sp?) involved. [:D]

For me, i dived in boots and all, and ended up in a 5 year (and counting...) relationship with the first person i met. Going by what you desire, a real time relationship is what you are looking for. Just be normally sensible in meeting people and during the "dating"process don't forget that this is a relationship. If it doesn't feel right, there will always be another dom in the sea.

And inspite of some of the posts here - you CAN negotiate how yuou would like your relationship to be. At any point in said relationship. There are no hard-and-fast rules - unless you find the mythical Subby Handbook. Pretty much every relationship is reinvented as they go along.


edited to add - You won't lose any sense of self that you don't want to lose. Strong women typically end up in relationships with strong men, and strong men don't want a borderline personality - they want strength that WANTS to bend to them.


So basicly it's a bit like vanilla dating to start but in a gene pool in which strength attracts strength rather than weakness...with both parties knowing that the end result must be my willingness to submit in order for both of us to get what we need from the relationship?

Thank You...I've been feeling like I don't fit in either world...but so much of what I'm hearing here confirms my decision to follow this path.




jbcurious -> RE: Am I looking for a BDSM relationship? (3/27/2010 9:59:48 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: beej

quote:

First, while having a strong personality, a good education, a quick mind and ability to take charge...The last thing I want in a relationship is to be in charge...yet that always seems to be where I get stuck.., which causes me to lose respect for my partner...and if I don't respect him any love I had for him is soon replaced by scorn.


i had this same pattern in my past relationships. for me, because i was strong, i was looking for someone stronger, someone to whom i could give the reins during the part of the journey that i wasn't my forte (i can take a curve at 100 mph, but repelling down a cliff? i need a leader and a blindfold, lol). i encouraged my men to be more dominant, and then i pushed, and then when they buckled, i sometimes doled out my share of scorn. i regret that now, but i've learned better. a man's inability to be what i need doesn't make him a scorn worthy failure, after all.

when i came to this, it was just for kicks at first. i didn't see a connection between BDSM and my old relationship patterns at first. unlike you, i hadn't dabbled in insubstantial play; i'd been strictly vanilla. i came here, went straight to a relationship with a Dom, found what you mentioned here, and it was bliss while it lasted:

quote:

I believe there is a vast difference between submitting to a man through trust, respect and love...and some neanderthal trying to take something he hasn't earned.


BUT i also found that when you get what you ask for, someone who is stronger than you in certain areas, someone who has taken time to know you so well that he can see through your wrapping paper and your box and manipulate your buttons, someone who could scare the hell out of you or love you all to pieces... after you get that, well, there you are in pretty little pieces with your ego deflated. there you are perhaps in league with some of the men that you scorned before. there you are, humble and new and aware that its not about you at all actually; its about the relationship. so regarding this:

quote:

Were you never afraid of losing who you are in all this?


yes, i was, and yes i did lose somethings that needed shedding anyway. the me-centered attitude that had engendered scorn in the past... that was the first thing to go, and that was even before he got his hands on me. very quickly in conversation, i realized that he wasn't there to be my ultimate alpha male fantasy, and i wasn't some high spirited exquisite filly to be broken in by the ultimate pussy whisperer. (lol, it's funny the cliches that you think you're too smart for until BDSM becomes real with a real man.) he was there to let me inside him and to tunnel inside me, which is standard relationship math. there was nothing special about it except perhaps that this venue/lifestyle was what it took for me to fully engage, and there's nothing wrong with knowing that as long as you don't transfer magical expectations to BDSM when really you are just having a lovely internal evolution.

as far as losing spunk and self-respect and such? i didn't lose any of that. he folded all of the authentic parts of my personality into the play, even little trinkets like being a smart ass. :) the rest of the time i was exactly the same except... i dunno, but sometimes a strong woman gets into a habit of defending her position/talents for no particular reason? carrying a chip on your shoulder a bit, just to let lovers know that you are to be valued and taken seriously? (the first thing that you mentioned in your post was your qualifications of awesomeness, and i did the same in the first few drafts of my CMe profile). i dunno, but the point is that i relaxed out of that COMPLETELY in my personal time with my Dom. i was still all of those things, but i didn't feel the need to wear it on my chest like a medal, and i had always done that in past relationships.

i had two good months with that particular Dom, and i came out of it feeling more powerful and more deeply rooted in myself, but i was rooted more in vulnerability and a spirit of giving than in an attitude of "i'm so strong that you must be stronger." and again, all of this has made me appreciate the standard math of a good relationship, and that's what i'm shopping for now just in the kinky section of the store.

i realize that may not all apply to you, but i thought i would be confessional in the interest of helping you find your way. good luck to you. :)



It is all applicable and a big part of the reason I came here...I'm tired of being that woman with a chip on her shoulder, of having hard edges. I look back to the soft loving young woman I was the first time i loved a man and I miss her. The world takes a toll on vulnerability and softness when a woman stands alone, without protection or support. You've made me ashamed in my use of the term "scorn"...

It seemed so much easier to proclaim my strengths, than to ask for strength that allows me to soften, I'm not used to asking for anything.

Thank You for useing your confessional to help me.




ShoreBound149 -> RE: Am I looking for a BDSM relationship? (3/27/2010 10:29:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jbcurious


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ORIGINAL: ShoreBound149


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ORIGINAL: jbcurious


quote:

ORIGINAL: ShoreBound149


quote:

ORIGINAL: jbcurious


First, while having a strong personality, a good education, a quick mind and ability to take charge...The last thing I want in a relationship is to be in charge...

I think most people who know me would be shocked to know that I consider myself to be submissive.

I believe there is a vast difference between submitting to a man through trust, respect and love...and some neanderthal trying to take something he hasn't earned.

I am far from a prude and have enjoyed a lively sex life that has had it's share if kink...but at this stage of my life prefer a mono, longterm relationship



I believe these traits of yours are highly desired by many on here. They were for me.


You mean there may be hope after all? [;)] I appreciate the confidence boost, Thank You.


Now show us your Spanish tits


They're Scottish tits... they only reside in Spain...


Oh.....Then never mind




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