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RE: I got to give up event photography - 3/29/2010 9:42:28 AM

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then why does the UK have cameras everywhere you go?

aren't pictures supposed to be good?

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RE: I got to give up event photography - 3/29/2010 10:19:02 AM

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I would suggest that you didn't get the clearence you thought you did. Whether that was the events misinformation or your own assumptions, I don't know, no one does. But knowing you, I would suggest that it was because you didn't make it clear what you were planning. From the first paragraph, that doesn't sound like you got permission other than to take snaps from the audience and knowing you as I do, I bet that isn't what you did. Is that where you were? audience? Or were you front or side of stage/area?

You can't just turn up at an event and act like a professional if you are not, regardless as to whether you have the qualifications or not, that means sweet FA. It was up to YOU to introduce yourself to the pro, NOT the other way around. For all we know, you got in his way. He is the one making the living NOT you. He is the one who might have paid to work the event or being paid to work the event based on the finished product. If your getting in his way - and only you can say you were not - it makes a big difference.

Does official status make someone more important - YES. You don't like it that is tough. You say he was rude, how do we know that your behaviour didn't warrent him getting irrate?

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Either the so called pro did not know private photography was permitted, or he felt threatened enough to act on his personal anger and used CRB notions as a means to augment himself into higher status.

Or you got in his shots and in his way and became so adamant that you had a 'right' that you angered him and put his work in difficulties. Unless you are saying that you were simply sitting in the middle of the crowd with everyone else? Of course he is going to feel threatened! If you don't understand that then that's something you need to work on.

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As for the issue of children around, I like children, I believe I have lots I would like to teach them, but I feel threatened by my thought that wanting to help children is seen as impure. I am a single guy, I am very aware of how society might view me, so I keep away, even if I did undergo the voluntary CRB checks, I will always be under suspicion for wanting to help children, it is why I will not go back into scouting, and I am not the only male that thinks this, it is a common thought in this day and age. The result of course is youth groups are being starved of people who would otherwise be glad to help out for the betterment of the upcoming generation.In this day and age, males have to protect themselves first and foremost at all times, for all it will take, is a suggestion made in passing or more directly for all hell to break loose, as when suspicion is created, it never stops.

You don't have it any worse. I always take this privately with you but it never works and you have brought this into the public. You're on a downer, drinking heavily and turning to drink and in a posting frenzy again. You and I have had this conversation before and unlike the 'ah poor you' that you will get from people who don't know you, from me all you will get that you need to work on your empathy - just like always. You are attention seeking and wanting compassion and yet showing none for someone who's livlihood was possibly threatened by your actions.

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RE: I got to give up event photography - 3/29/2010 11:15:00 AM

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For your information, I was at the back of the audience, by the exit doors with a telehoto lense and monopod, all seating sat on, the event was oversubscribed. Matey, had his camera on a tripod in front of me, so there was no way I was getting in his way and by the very virtue of him having his camera on a tripod, he was not very mobile, whereas, I was. If it was a case of he has planned wrongly and knew it and sought to vent his frustration on someone else who was getting the shots, then, that is his fault, not mine. But, due to theatre lighting conditions and not using flash, I was not getting the best I could even with the meter setting at 800 and a long lense, but what I was getting, to me was satisfactory, they have a use, not many, but some will do.

Regards to matey with the foul mouth, he took it upon himself to be aggressive and rude, not I, as to it being his living, tough, he is in a dying industry, as camera technology has advanced so far all an amateur may do, is point the camera in the general direction and let the onboard computer work it out, as that was happening, for I could see the rear mounted LCD screen of the cameras in the audience.. Furthermore, he was using flash, which was prohibited, I was not, as I was aware flash was prohited, I was told and I abided by what I was told, he did not. I was also told I could photograph and video from the back, which I did, I will only go where I am permitted to go, not anywhere else, especially so as I am known to the organisers and some of the performace groups, I will not be shitting on my doorstep so to speak by taking the piss, photography is not that important

But I do understand where you are coming from with what you say, but it is a pity you now do not see the rights of the amateur, especially when there was no stipulation from the organisers to say the audience or the participants could not record the event.

The other thing of course if you haven't noticed, is how many amateur 'snaps' appear in news publications, by and large, they don't, they tend to find their way to private albums, or get posted on such places as facebook, myspace etc. Amateurs might be seen as a threat, I know this, for I read photographers online news and blogs and have pro photographer friends, but they have to move with the times, or find another job, just like everybody else that finds their profession no longer brings in the readies, there should be no protectionism, no special circumstances for these people, they are just people like everyone else and like everyone else, must accept the rough along with the smooth.

What I know of photography, is the reason why I did not pursue a degree in photography, it is dying.

I am also very sad you have come to your end conclusion.

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RE: I got to give up event photography - 3/29/2010 1:04:54 PM

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Furthermore, he was using flash, which was prohibited, I was not, as I was aware flash was prohited, I was told and I abided by what I was told, he did not.

You have no idea what he was told he could do. The flash being prohibited could have been so that his could work correctly, he may have been exempt. He was the pro and event photographer after all.
Your gear is also not small amateur stuff. You weren't using some little digital handheld. Honestly A, I know you understand exactly what I am saying here.

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But I do understand where you are coming from with what you say, but it is a pity you now do not see the rights of the amateur, especially when there was no stipulation from the organisers to say the audience or the participants could not record the event.

That is rubbish and you know it. Of course I see the rights of the amateur. I also know common sense which your not right now because you are so blinded by your own indignation.

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The other thing of course if you haven't noticed, is how many amateur 'snaps' appear in news publications, by and large, they don't, they tend to find their way to private albums, or get posted on such places as facebook, myspace etc. Amateurs might be seen as a threat, I know this, for I read photographers online news and blogs and have pro photographer friends, but they have to move with the times, or find another job, just like everybody else that finds their profession no longer brings in the readies, there should be no protectionism, no special circumstances for these people, they are just people like everyone else and like everyone else, must accept the rough along with the smooth.

Way to go with the condecending A.
Thing is, when you are at work - YOU DON'T COME ACROSS AS AN AMATEUR. You even admitted at the start of this thread that you are a qualified photographer. Your own words.

And there is plenty of work in photography - when you know where it is and find your place. If you cannot find it then you are either a) a crap photographer. or b) bad at business or c) bad at communicating with poor interpersonal skills.

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What I know of photography, is the reason why I did not pursue a degree in photography, it is dying

Except when it isn't, so therefore you have either been misinformed or mistaken.

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I am also very sad you have come to your end conclusion.

So am I, but I am always correct on this particular issue, unfortunately. But without treatment and the correct assistance, all my words are to you are empty.

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RE: I got to give up event photography - 3/29/2010 2:13:24 PM

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If in doubt, always put c), but there is not a cure for it, it is the way it is and that is that.

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RE: I got to give up event photography - 3/29/2010 3:09:15 PM

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Define 'cure'.
You can do one of two things. Your choice.

You give up and then die.
You live and then die.

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RE: I got to give up event photography - 3/29/2010 3:29:47 PM

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ok so you two have been going at this for a while..... why argue? It really doesn't solve anything just gets you frustrated and what's the use in that? Yes dark we all live then die, but there are so many wonderful things you can do to occupy your time in the interim.

to the op, if I have this rant of yours understood... you had your feelings hurt and its upset you.... piece of advise finding a solution in the bottom of an alcohol pitcher, glass, cup, etc is never a good idea. It just amplifies whatever bad things you're trying to drink away in the first place. Yes it sucks that sometimes single men get singled out and labeled as predators but as a parent I can understand it even though it isn't fair. Mistakes happen but it is always better to be safe than sorry. As a recipient of the unwell meaning men out there I am sure as hell going to be leery of ANYONE regardless of gender that is around my kids. That shouldn't be a source of kept frustration for you, if you want to help kids then join big brothers and sisters or something along that line, find a friend that has kids and help them out... there are ways to be helpful that you aren't going to get looked at funny.

As far as the other guy's attitude maybe he had a bad day, maybe it was warranted maybe it wasn't..... let it go. Life is way too short to sweat the small stuff. Chalk it up to a bad day and move on, you're only making the next day shitty too by holding on to this bad one... If the photography thing is wearing you thin then don't do it. Find another hobby or venture out on your own, find a purpose besides someone asking you to do it... do things you enjoy because you want to, not cause you feel obligated to.

Nothing is ever the way it is just because it "is" that way. You have to let it remain that way in order for it to continue in that manner, no one can control or change that but you.... although from personal experience it is one hell of a good cop out answer, used to be guilty of using it muhself.... then I got sick and tired of being sick and tired of the way things were, I grew up and got a new perspective on what I wanted and the "picture" of my life that I wanted to see and then I shot for it and will spend the rest of my life ( god willing) working on it and perfecting it.

Good luck to you on that....
Be well

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RE: I got to give up event photography - 3/29/2010 4:05:43 PM

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Yes dark we all live then die, but there are so many wonderful things you can do to occupy your time in the interim.

Absolutely! No need to tell me that

... that is why I used the word 'live'.

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ok so you two have been going at this for a while..... why argue?

Ach, it's only been a short discussion, on and off. And we aren't arguing, but discussing the reasons behind A's feelings which he posted on the message board. He and I have been buds for quite a few years now and he knows how we work when we talk things through. In fact, if it hadn't been for him, I wouldn't be here 'living'.
I am also editting to add that my two children ADORE him and there is no one I would trust with their lives MORE. He is right up there at the top of the list.

I can dig that you are attempting to be a peace maker and you haven't been around a while, so understand this - that I love A to bits and wouldn't have him talk to me any other way, because it's him and how he is with me. And he does know how I bleet on at times

- it's all groovy.

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RE: I got to give up event photography - 3/29/2010 5:44:06 PM

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RE: I got to give up event photography - 3/29/2010 6:07:40 PM

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I haven't followed this thread except for the first ten-ish posts. Sorry. So forgive me if what I say has been said. My sister has a kid in dance. You cant take photos of any event since the promoters of the event want you to BUY the photos that THEY take. Im wondering if this is whats going on here.

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RE: I got to give up event photography - 3/29/2010 7:45:19 PM

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dark,

I caught on that you two knew each other and I'm glad that you two are friends....

nope I haven't been here in a while but I used to be here a while back for quite a while. if you want send me a note on the other side I can give you a face to put with the name, just can't post em on the profile right now, should jog your memory because we used to talk in the forums back then. Hell we derailed so many threads... poor mod 11... although I hear we have new mods and some of the old ones are now gone.

Anyhow, I was hoping to just get past the seeming bickering and onto a more hopeful subject or to at least shed a different light on things *nods*. I hate watching people get stuck on bad days. Which it seems is what happened here.... and no sense in dwelling on the bad when there are so many ways to turn it around into good ones...

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RE: I got to give up event photography - 3/30/2010 4:14:43 AM

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Hey Reflective.

A doesn't 'bicker', he is way too kind for that so if it came across that way it wasn't the case. It's all in the written word hey, no faces or hand movements to show the intent behind posts. Again I appriciate your post and it's all rocking!

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