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RE: Female Suicide Bombers - 3/29/2010 7:43:18 PM   
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How fucked up must their lives be, to see that as an option. I don't know how different they really are from the men, though.

It isn't about their life it's about their belief in a life ever after.

This is the problem with blind faith, nothing compares to it not even the real world.

Also they may have watched Avatar, I hear that has a negative effect on how you see the real world.



This brings up a good question; what do the women of Islam believe, in terms of an afterlife? It's not the same gig as what the menfolk are promised, so, what do they think they're going to have?


I hope they were lesbians, "Here ladies, here's your 72 virgins!"

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RE: Female Suicide Bombers - 3/29/2010 7:51:23 PM   
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This is nothing new or extraordinary


I wasn't suggesting it was something new. Read my OP.

However, I would not say that it isn't extraordinary. The moment we start considering suicide bombing is ordinary, we are in more trouble than we think.

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RE: Female Suicide Bombers - 3/29/2010 11:40:45 PM   
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This is nothing new or extraordinary


I wasn't suggesting it was something new. Read my OP.

However, I would not say that it isn't extraordinary. The moment we start considering suicide bombing is ordinary, we are in more trouble than we think.

- LA


LA, and I'm really surprised that the Company or "others" haven't come up with our own suicide bombers yet.

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RE: Female Suicide Bombers - 3/30/2010 1:14:11 AM   
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(IMO) Now wake up USA ... you have the time and a little "cushion" to work it out ... The USA is a "fortress" if it wants to be.

The USA also has a very precious but limited chance to make it's way to the podium and speak eloquently of it's values, that time is here and it is now. (needs a good strong pres to do it ... the last clown could'nt).

Female soldier/ Female "suicide" bomber ... some one want to tell me what the fucking huge diff is here ? besides ... they both die and get praised ...

"Death is part of the contract if it becomes your lot" (quoted from copyright tract with permission)

Nuff said.

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RE: Female Suicide Bombers - 3/30/2010 1:23:29 AM   
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This is nothing new or extraordinary-terrorists will use whoever can do the job best.



(at the risk of "religious" debate)

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RE: Female Suicide Bombers - 3/30/2010 4:54:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		JonnieBoy, I really didn't understand either of your last two posts. At the risk of opening up a can of worms, would you mind perhaps rephrasing them somewhat, please, as I'd very much like to understand the ideas you are contributing.

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RE: Female Suicide Bombers - 3/30/2010 6:02:37 AM   
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I hope they were lesbians, "Here ladies, here's your 72 virgins!"


Why would they have to be lesbians?  Can't males also be vigins?

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RE: Female Suicide Bombers - 3/30/2010 8:13:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have always understood females to be the perfect soldier/terrorist, as they are more earthy than males, they deal with things men don't, they deal with life far more than men. Maybe it stands to reason that if a person can deal with the nitty gritty of giving life, they can also take it, and go to ,lengths many males would crumble at to achieve their aim.

I suppose the question to be asked is, if one could with knowlege kill the most helpless of humans to achieve an aim, does that not make them the ideal killer, ideal, because all notions of nurture, protection and associated emotions can be put to one side to get the job done.


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RE: Female Suicide Bombers - 3/30/2010 8:17:45 AM   
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I hope they were lesbians, "Here ladies, here's your 72 virgins!"


Why would they have to be lesbians?  Can't males also be vigins?

Of course they can. Have you never been to a Star Trek convention?

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RE: Female Suicide Bombers - 3/30/2010 10:43:44 AM   
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I do not see female suicide bombers that differently from male ones really. However I wonder what would drive someone to kill them self like that. That it been in Iraq or in some other nation at war I could have understood it, I do not agree with it but I understand it. After all the only difference between a soldier and a terrorist is in how much backing is at their back, both fight, die and kill for a cause, however why in Moscow?

Clarification I am not in the above saying that I approve of suicide bombers or terrorists only that I understand the reasoning for those who do it in war.

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RE: Female Suicide Bombers - 3/30/2010 1:38:43 PM   
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How fucked up must their lives be, to see that as an option. I don't know how different they really are from the men, though.


They were tired of do-me subs and took out their frustrations on the general population.

In general, terrorism has not accomplished much good in Russia. Stupid Radicals back in the day tried to assassinate Alexander II, arguably the best, most progressive Czar ever. The promise of the Bolshevic Revolution was arguably undermined by its reliance on terror.

In a case like this, all anyone can think about is the innocent lives lost.

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RE: Female Suicide Bombers - 3/30/2010 3:15:06 PM   
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I have always understood females to be the perfect soldier/terrorist, as they are more earthy than males, they deal with things men don't, they deal with life far more than men. Maybe it stands to reason that if a person can deal with the nitty gritty of giving life, they can also take it, and go to ,lengths many males would crumble at to achieve their aim.

I suppose the question to be asked is, if one could with knowlege kill the most helpless of humans to achieve an aim, does that not make them the ideal killer, ideal, because all notions of nurture, protection and associated emotions can be put to one side to get the job done.



That is an interesting perspective Aneirin. That said, how can you explain the fact that more men commit murder than women?

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RE: Female Suicide Bombers - 3/30/2010 3:18:20 PM   
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I do not see female suicide bombers that differently from male ones really.


But researchers do, that was the point of the OP. You might want to follow the link in the OP.

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RE: Female Suicide Bombers - 3/30/2010 4:10:33 PM   
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I do not see female suicide bombers that differently from male ones really.

But researchers do, that was the point of the OP. You might want to follow the link in the OP.
- LA

I think your gut instincts may have led to a misreading of Zedalis's linked paper. Her paper actually agreed with nephandi. See page 9:
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There are “religious, nationalistic, economic, social, and personal rewards” for suicide bombers. Researchers believe there are “few differences between a man and a woman carrying out such a mission. It may be a surprise, but motivations are the same: they do believe, they are committed, they are patriotic, and this is combined with a religious duty.”

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RE: Female Suicide Bombers - 3/30/2010 4:47:10 PM   
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I think your gut instincts may have led to a misreading of Zedalis's linked paper.


You are absolutely right. I guess the two paragraphs preceding the quote lead me to read something else. I'm even more perplexed now.

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RE: Female Suicide Bombers - 3/31/2010 4:42:54 AM   
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I have always understood females to be the perfect soldier/terrorist, as they are more earthy than males, they deal with things men don't, they deal with life far more than men. Maybe it stands to reason that if a person can deal with the nitty gritty of giving life, they can also take it, and go to ,lengths many males would crumble at to achieve their aim.

I suppose the question to be asked is, if one could with knowlege kill the most helpless of humans to achieve an aim, does that not make them the ideal killer, ideal, because all notions of nurture, protection and associated emotions can be put to one side to get the job done.



That is an interesting perspective Aneirin. That said, how can you explain the fact that more men commit murder than women?

- LA


Men I see as more predictable and not in control of their feelings, their answer to when they get frustrated, is to strike out, hit, kill, the male role, the big hairy hunter if you like. Women on the other hand don't hit out and strike, but when crossed, women are far more dangerous, for they are calculating, they will not seethe and grumble, but they engage brain, they put clear calculating thought and measured action to the thought of the feeling and there act, when the time is right. If man and woman were compared to animals, men would be big dopey dogs all bark, dribble and teeth, and women would be sneaky and cunning cats with ortherwise concealed weapons, kruger like claws that quick as a flash come out and swipe when least expected.

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RE: Female Suicide Bombers - 3/31/2010 5:06:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's a pretty stereotypical dichotomy of men and women, but I do see your point.

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RE: Female Suicide Bombers - 3/31/2010 9:45:32 PM   
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I can imagine that watching your families and neighbors being killed and your house/farm/village destroyed would go a long way to becoming convinced that life has no meaning, a percent recipe for revenge and suicide attacks.

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RE: Female Suicide Bombers - 3/31/2010 11:19:50 PM   
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I find it strange in the west that we are so taken aback by the fact some people are willing to die for something they believe in.

I mean we seem to get hysterical about it, like murder becomes different somehow if you then kill yourself as well. The west seems to hate the suicide aspect more than the crime itself, I'm not sure why? When terrorists plant bombs we can understand that but those that are willing to die? When was the last time anyone ever felt that way?

Perhaps you are willing to die to make the lives of someone you love better or keep them secure, this we could understand as individuals because it once again on some level is about our peace of mind. The survival instinct is hard to fight.



I wonder if people in the West are surprised to see that people elsewhere actually believe in something enough to die for it, putting aside the virgins-in-heaven diversion.

Of course, we have our troops. And the Japanese kamikaze are like a gateway between the two.

Two organizations always hiring (especially in 'hard times'): the army, terrorists... oh, yeah, and Christian militias!


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