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Calling Bassists! Bass Guitar instruction? - 3/29/2010 6:24:02 PM   
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Good Evening all!

For some years now, I have felt the need to re-invent myself, so to speak, and one of the things I wanted to do to do so, was to learn to play the bass guitar.  I've been researching and talking with the folks at my local music shop, and the day before yesterday, on impulse before I lost the nerve again, I got a bass.  A black/grey Ibanez SR300, along with a Fender Rumble 30 Amp, a strap, stand, tuner and a 10' cord.  Granted, the total damage came to be about $550, about $250 more than the Squier Affinity J-bass starter pack that I was originally was scoping out, but feel I got a better value as the Ibanez was lighter, better balanced, thinner necked and all around more comfortable and, I think, lots better looking than the Squier.  And active pickups to boot, as well as a much bigger, more capable amp.

Now to learn to play the thing.

I checked out tons of vids on YouTube, and many of them aren't complete and want you to pay for a subscription to continue on their own website.  Same with a general Google search.  I'm still just working on my whole, half, and quarter note open chord scales, both up and down and will likely keep working on that before progressing to the triplets (hadn't figured that one out fully yet)and eighths opens.

Maybe my Google-fu is weak this week, but can anyone recommend a good free online instruction system, or a good book/DVD?   My work schedule kinda prevents me from having a regular appointment with a instructor.

Thanks to any who can help.


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RE: Calling Bassists! Bass Guitar instruction? - 3/29/2010 7:04:45 PM   
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I've been playing guitar and bass for about 35 years now. Learned a bit of guitar then switched to bass and played that in garage bands whilst practicing guitar at home in the background. I learned the basics by locking myself in my room all summer long back in 1977 with a cheap pawn shop guitar and a copy of "Still Alive And Well" by Johnny Winter back at a point in my life when I could do that for a whole summer. I never took lessons and have all of the bad habits that most self taught players have.

People ask me from time to time advice about their kids wanting to learn guitar and my advice is always the same. Don't say "I am going to try this." Say "I am going to learn to do this".  Once you make up your mind that you will do it then there is more incentive to buy a quality instrument. That helps the learning process immeasurably. I'm glad to see you invested a bit more for a nicer quality instrument. That will pay dividends as you learn and progress.

You've probably already done this but ask a few guitar/bass teachers in your local area what they might recommend in the way of self teaching materials. They probably have culled through a lot of the chaff and you certainly can't be the first person in your position who has taken up the instrument but does not have a schedule that permits regularly scheduled lessons. This book looks interesting

Make it happen. Tell yourself you will learn this and don't give it up. I've gotten some great deals on gear that people bought and then gave up on a month later. Please don't be one of those musical statistics. I think everyone should give music and playing a musical instrument a shot sometime. We all have music in us. Good luck with your new hobby. I know you're going to enjoy it.


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RE: Calling Bassists! Bass Guitar instruction? - 3/29/2010 7:14:04 PM   
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Jefff.... yoo-hoo, Jefff.....

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RE: Calling Bassists! Bass Guitar instruction? - 3/29/2010 7:14:24 PM   
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Assuming you are right handed, pay more attention to your right hand, the picking hand.

That's were the grove is. Whether you use fingers or a pick. Also keep the heel away from tab. Tab only teaches to to copy licks. If you have no outlet for actual music theory lessons learn to play by ear.

Licks won't help you much if you find yourself at a jam and someone says "ok   I IV V in A.

Finally you are going to need a powerful amp. Low frequencies take more power to be heard a 50 watt guitar amp will smoke a 100 watt bass amp.

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RE: Calling Bassists! Bass Guitar instruction? - 3/29/2010 7:54:52 PM   
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Assuming you are right handed, pay more attention to your right hand, the picking hand.

That's were the grove is. Whether you use fingers or a pick. Also keep the heel away from tab. Tab only teaches to to copy licks. If you have no outlet for actual music theory lessons learn to play by ear.

Licks won't help you much if you find yourself at a jam and someone says "ok   I IV V in A.

Finally you are going to need a powerful amp. Low frequencies take more power to be heard a 50 watt guitar amp will smoke a 100 watt bass amp.


On the picking hand,(my right) some of the vids show using forefinger and middle, and others show middle and ring.  Personal preference or a right/wrong teq?


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RE: Calling Bassists! Bass Guitar instruction? - 3/29/2010 8:09:41 PM   
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If you are going to play with your fingers, listen to the tone of the notes. You will hear a difference in the fingers. If I was starting from scratch I would use the first and third, they are of close to equal lengths. I use all three, but it took Me a while to even out the tone.

I don't know what kind of music you like. But here is a recommendation.  Listen to "Ain't no Mountain High enough" Dianna Ross and "Whats goin on" Marvin Gay.

The bassist is James Jamersson. THAT is a groove. It is also somewhat harmonically complex yet it flows and drives the song.

As a bass player. you are the foundation, the shelter, the groove. A melodic rhythm instrument.. Find the pocket and live there.  Feel it, then play it.

It might help if  I knew what kind of tunes you dug. And you really should take some lessons. Learn the circle of 5ths at least.

Would you try to write a novel with out knowing sentence structure? Try and learn  some theory and harmony

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RE: Calling Bassists! Bass Guitar instruction? - 3/29/2010 8:19:42 PM   
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Also, as far as the left hand goes, use the very tip of the finger. A note as both a beginning and and end. The tip offers better definition for both. There is a tendency to use the pad, try and avoid that

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RE: Calling Bassists! Bass Guitar instruction? - 3/29/2010 8:28:26 PM   
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Ok, I just listened to "what's goin on". that's gonna be beyond you for a while....:). It's a good goal however.

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RE: Calling Bassists! Bass Guitar instruction? - 3/29/2010 8:32:33 PM   
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1. The first thing is to make sure the guitar is tuned properly, at least to itself. It tunes like the first four strings of a guitar, but also like a regular guitar needs to be "back checked" on the seventh fret, as well as the twelfth. When you do something good, it sounds good and encourages you.

2. You know where the fifth fret is, use it. There is nothing wrong with playing in A from the E string. It gives you downward range. The only reason to really get to the lower frets on the E is to be an octave lower, which alot of people like, but you can't play everything from there.

3. If you can, once you really get started try to avoid copies and covers, they distract from your creativity. Almost everyone who makes the grade does their own composition. Copying others is great for learning the technique, but your goal (if normal) is to play your own stuff. Don't forget that.

4. Work your fingers, they will need to be strong to play the thing. I mean the stronger the better and strong in a different way. Unlike lifting and toting and other forms of physical labor, this requires that you be able to separate the individual muscles in your hands in a very precise manner. A regular guiitar is hard enough, a bass requires more strength if you want to get good.

5. Chords are possible on a bass and if played high enough can even be strummed. Even if not, guitar chords work just fine but you just pick them out. The frequencies are too low for ceertain chords though, you will learn the limitations, but the point is that it's probably a good idea to learn guitar chords, but you will only be using the first four strings.

I've played bass, and belive it or not impressed a couple of people, but I really am not all that good. I've also played a left handed bass, both left handed and upside down, so to speak. That was a challenge. In that light, if you haven't played guitar or bass in the past, you need to figure out if you are left handed. Now this has nothing to do with which hand you use to write. It is a different story. But if you are truly a beginner you should try it both ways.

HA ! On the lighter side no matter what kind of bondage freak I am, there are five (I think) guitars in this house and not one of them has a strap. Something seems wrong here. But the point to that is that it is easier to learn sitting down. You must get comfortable with your bad ass axe. That is crucial, when you know what you're doing you can take to dancing around and shit while you play. Get the basics down first.

Last but not least, and this takes a bit of skill and comprension, don't listen to the tuning machine, listen to the instrument. Many need a bit of tweaking from perfect to sound better. Keep the thread alive and I can tell you how to find out if it is "scaled" properly, and if not what to do about it. It's probably good, but you need to know. Besides what I can tell you, there are quite a few websites out there with good info. If you plan to play music that means you intend to be a musician. That means whatever you play must be in tune. So many people just use that tuning machine and think they're good to go, but they aren't all the time.

That's all for now.

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RE: Calling Bassists! Bass Guitar instruction? - 3/29/2010 11:22:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

*snip*

I don't know what kind of music you like. But here is a recommendation.  Listen to "Ain't no Mountain High enough" Dianna Ross and "Whats goin on" Marvin Gay.

*snip*

It might help if  I knew what kind of tunes you dug. And you really should take some lessons. Learn the circle of 5ths at least.

*snip*


I listen to mostly rock ranging from Matchbox 20 and DuranDuran to Disturbed, Seether and Metallica with some country and folk (Gordon lightfoot and Jim Croce) every once in a while. 

And what is the "circle or fifths"?


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RE: Calling Bassists! Bass Guitar instruction? - 3/30/2010 4:31:37 AM   
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1) dont take it too seriously - you aint ever gonna be a rock star
2) conversely, have fun - rock guitar is about the most fun you can have with your clothes on, so presumably its similar with a bass (NB, effects pedals essential to maximal fun)
3) learn your bass inside and out, make sure you know your notes and where they are
4) listen to your Metallica collection and pay attention to the bass line
5) try to figure out how to play something akin to them (you will not play like them, dont worry about it, its meant to be fun), playing along with the record
6) give up on trying to do that and get an early Iron Maiden album out. All the early Iron Maiden songs were written by the bass player and theyre very simple arrangements if fast, but then you need to build some speed if youre going to play rock
7) see 1-4
8) eventually learn to play a few songs more or less correctly. Now you need to find a band - a not very good one (mine would be ideal, seeing as we're all way past it) to practise with and learn with
9) if you dont learn to play songs, if you do it properly and try to learn music from scratch and how to play with good technique, you will give up within 6 months
10) thus endeth the lesson

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RE: Calling Bassists! Bass Guitar instruction? - 3/30/2010 6:26:10 AM   
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3. If you can, once you really get started try to avoid copies and covers, they distract from your creativity. Almost everyone who makes the grade does their own composition. Copying others is great for learning the technique, but your goal (if normal) is to play your own stuff. Don't forget that.


Color me abnormal and damn proud of it. While I enjoy writing and recording my own songs it is just a helluva lotta fun to play any of those millions of great songs that are out there. I'll take the gig at the local pub playing to a roomful of folks who love hearing songs they know any day of the week.


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RE: Calling Bassists! Bass Guitar instruction? - 3/30/2010 7:20:12 AM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0SPttqD2JE

Jaco always had great hand control and positioning.

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RE: Calling Bassists! Bass Guitar instruction? - 3/30/2010 7:32:35 AM   
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Yes, but you can't start the guy out on Jaco...:)


The cricle of 5ths is how keys, relate to each other.

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RE: Calling Bassists! Bass Guitar instruction? - 3/30/2010 7:43:36 AM   
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lol,  I know what you mean Jeff.

But put aside the fantastic play and his flair for performance and just take still shots to look at.  Jaco's technique was almost flawless.  There is a lot to be learned from just looking at a still of his hand over the strings. 

That was a man who could make me want to put down my instrument and never pick up again and get me to lock myself in a practice room for days.

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RE: Calling Bassists! Bass Guitar instruction? - 3/30/2010 7:56:15 AM   
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True, he did have a nice left hand technique

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RE: Calling Bassists! Bass Guitar instruction? - 3/31/2010 7:27:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wulfgarw
On the picking hand,(my right) some of the vids show using forefinger and middle, and others show middle and ring.  Personal preference or a right/wrong technique?


I was watching a ZZ Top DVD and Dusty Hill sometimes only uses his index finger in an up and down two way motion. I've never seen anyone finger pick a bass like that. He gets a very uniform tone on both the down stroke and the up stroke. No comment on right or wrong technique. I'll let the technique police address that.


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RE: Calling Bassists! Bass Guitar instruction? - 3/31/2010 7:34:07 PM   
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HA ! On the lighter side no matter what kind of bondage freak I am, there are five (I think) guitars in this house and not one of them has a strap. Something seems wrong here. But the point to that is that it is easier to learn sitting down. You must get comfortable with your bad ass axe. That is crucial, when you know what you're doing you can take to dancing around and shit while you play. Get the basics down first.


I have read somewhere that proper strap technique involves sitting with your instrument in playing position and then adjusting the strap length so that the instrument is held at that same relative position when you are standing with the instrument hanging by the strap. (I had to edit that statement carefully so as not to have the phrase "strap on" included anywhere within it). Once you adjust the strap in that fashion all that is missing is the bermuda shorts pulled up so that the waist line is just below your man boobs and some dark socks and sandals. Mel Bay I am not.


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